The English Football Thread

[edetarod 2,155]

yeah, but Oscar has a way cooler name

[Leif 6,006]

In the Mikel thread you've made fun of Choulo

No I haven't.

Personally I didn't even get what Coutinho did what was so great?

I'm not talking about today's game

He can come back when he scores a goal like he did against Juventus

Kalou has scored a couple 'wundergoals'. Should Hazard 'come back' once he's got the same amount?

abused sarcasm to an unbelievable extent

IRONIC.

[Jase 43,479]

Pochettino targeting Champions League assault with Southampton

Said he wants to finish in Top 4 in next 2 years!

[Kojo 4,676]

No I haven't.

I'm not talking about today's game

Kalou has scored a couple 'wundergoals'. Should Hazard 'come back' once he's got the same amount?

IRONIC.

Hazard has scored much better goals than Kalou, Kalous best goal was against Inter Milan in CL quaters, and even that was bad keeping from Cesar.

It's only more Ironic, cause I'm not too honest.

[Ollie 4,400]

He's obviously doing a Brendan Rodgers impersonation.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Hate to interject, but during his time here (including Europe) Oscar has played 19 games in the middle in his preferred position. Granted, not all those games were him playing as a starter, but Coutinho has been coming off the bench too.. and even playing out wide like Oscar has.

If we take Europe out of the equation, Oscar has played (and started I believe) 11 times through the centre in the Premier League - 8 more than Coutinho (3) has.

Oscar (30) has played 3 times the amount of Premier League games that Coutinho (10) has. They've both played around the same amount percentage-wise of games through the centre as opposed to other positions on the pitch.

Coutinho has played as second-striker 5 times, left-attacking-midfielder 2 times and through the middle only 3 times. Yet with him being swapped around positions so much it can still be argued that in his short time here, Coutinho has impressed more than Oscar. This seems to show that Coutinho is more versatile than Oscar.

Oscar has 2 goals in 30 Premier League appearances, while Coutinho has 2 goals in 10 Premier League appearances.

Oscar has 4 assists in 30 Premier League appearances. Coutinho has 4 assists in 10 Premier League appearances.

Oscar has contributed with some "wundergoals" and some welcomed pressing of the opposition which is admirable from a player in his position, but he's really offered little else. He averages under 2 shots a game, where-as Coutinho averages just over 2 shots a game.

In conclusion, it would seem that if we go by stats, Coutinho is currently equal to if not better than Oscar at club level.

If we simply go by what we see, it's all wide open for debate since everyone's perception is different.

Post the 11 times where he has started and post what Coutinho actually did to impress you. It doesnt help to do a big post saying absolutely nothing, with no football arguments other than just stats about how many games one has played and how many assists and goals each have...

What about distance covered, tackles, passes, possession recovery, etc?

Also, this is Oscar first year of European football in a troubled season for out team. Coutinho shows up in small games when the score is already in Liverpool's side. He did not started the season, when Liverpool and Rodgers were still in adaptation process, one that Oscar had to go through.

Do a little memory exercise...Can you please tell me how did Coutinho's first 2 years went?

[Leif 6,006]

Coutinho actually did to impress you

In 10 Premier League games, he's directly contributed to 6 goals. I'm impressed by that considering he's 20 and it's his first season in the league.

big post saying absolutely nothing

Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it has no merit or substance.

with no football arguments other than just stats

I'm not arguing, and I specifically said that there's other ways to judge other than stats at the end. Most people on here like to go by stats, so I presented them stats. Stats often go someway towards showing how good/bad a player is. You know, how you were using stats in the Neymar thread?

Also, this is Oscar first year of European football in a troubled season for out team. Can you please tell me how did Coutinho's first 2 years went?

Not much better. But we're not comparing how they both did in their 1st seasons in a top league or anything. The debate was simply "Who is currently better".

[Leif 6,006]

What about distance covered

The amount of distance you cover has nothing to do with whether you're good or not. If that were the case, Ramires >>> Zidane.

I presented the stats which are often used to reflect an attacking-midfielder's abilities.

[Tomo 21,751]

Newcastle were an embarrisement, how the fuck did they finish above us last season?

[Rmpr 8,977]

In 10 Premier League games, he's directly contributed to 6 goals. I'm impressed by that considering he's 20 and it's his first season in the league.

Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it has no merit or substance.

No, it has no substance because you posted nothing more than goals and assists. Football isnt solely about that, for you to be able to score, someone must do the dirty work. Coutinho doesnt help the team as much as Oscar does and most of his goals and assists were with the game already in Liverpool's hand!

I'm not arguing, and I specifically said that there's other ways to judge other than stats at the end. Most people on here like to go by stats, so I presented them stats. Stats often go someway towards showing how good/bad a player is. You know, how you were using stats in the Neymar thread?

There is no problem in using stats. For instance, Peace. uses a lot of stats, but he goes to explain and give a background to it (football arguments). You just threw some random stuff and thought to be making a hell of an intellingent intervention, lol.

Not much better. But we're not comparing how they both did in their 1st seasons in a top league or anything. The debate was simply "Who is currently better".

Not much better? LMAO!

Coutinho was a complete and utter failure, he was benched in almost all of their games. He took 1.5 year to score his second goal. Even more impressive, he was even loaned to Espanyol in a position where Inter is not even full of competition!

[Rmpr 8,977]

The amount of distance you cover has nothing to do with whether you're good or not. If that were the case, Ramires >>> Zidane.

I presented the stats which are often used to reflect an attacking-midfielder's abilities.

The distance one runs is part of a handful of stats that translates to how good the work rate of a certain player is. I didnt ask for it alone, with no meaning behind it!

You took one little thing and made a full post out of it. Smart!

[Jase 43,479]

Newcastle were an embarrisement, how the fuck did they finish above us last season?

Because the Newcastle last season is much better than this season and we are much better now than we were last season...

[Leif 6,006]

Coutinho doesnt help the team as much as Oscar

And Ramires helps our team and does the 'dirty work' more than Iniesta does at Barcelona. What's your point?

You just threw some random stuff

You keep insulting people and people's posts. If you can't comprehend or accept something as fact or opinion there's nothing I can do about that. It's not random though. Saying that Coutinho is better because I prefer his hair is random. You bringing up the distance they travel is random, for example.

he was even loaned to Espanyol in a position where Inter is not even full of competition!

What? Schelotto, Palacio, Kovacic, Alvarez and Cassano have all been rotating in that position (Cassano less-so than the others) this season. That is full of competition. Should I now call your post shit?

[Rmpr 8,977]

And Ramires helps our team and does the 'dirty work' more than Iniesta does at Barcelona. What's your point?

You keep insulting people and people's posts. If you can't comprehend or accept something as fact or opinion there's nothing I can do about that. It's not random though. Saying that Coutinho is better because I prefer his hair is random. You bringing up the distance they travel is random, for example.

What? Schelotto, Palacio, Kovacic, Alvarez and Cassano have all been rotating in that position (Cassano less-so than the others) this season. That is full of competition. Should I now call your post shit?

Go play football dude, maybe you learn somethings!

[Leif 6,006]

The distance one runs is part of a handful of stats that translates to how good the work rate of a certain player is.

Yeah, but at what point was that even being discussed before you brought it up? No one was or is having a debate over work-rate. You're nit-picking out little bits to try and start arguments in yet another thread.