The English Football Thread

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Aguero just broke Alan Shearer's EPL hat trick record

nil 6

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Shitty should buy (they are close to the only team I would recco buying him) Koulibaly

they are that perfect situation

they would get 2 and a half or 3 peak years out of him and they desperately need a CB for the next 3 CL runs

even with Laporte back

Stones is NOT the answer

[Laylabelle 9,536]

If City weren't so inconsistent mainly at the back then it wouldn't be such a boring decided already over title race...when they're good they're lethal.

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2 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

If City weren't so inconsistent mainly at the back then it wouldn't be such a boring decided already over title race...when they're good they're lethal.

as soon as I typed about their CB's they coughed up a pen and blew the clean sheet

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Just now, Vesper said:

as soon as I typed about their CB's they coughed up a pen and blew the clean sheet

And a VAR check...

 

 

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

and Villa desperately want Bats

and Marina is up to her old tricks

raised his price to a crazy £45m

Chelsea quote massive £45m fee for Michy Batshuayi as Crystal Palace and Aston Villa are dealt transfer blow

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7878415/Chelsea-quote-massive-45m-fee-Michy-Batshuayi-transfer-blow-Aston-Villa.html

If that strue then she really is thick, have learned fuck all. You have a decent chance to offload a player no Chels rate and then you up the price

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14 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

If that strue then she really is thick, have learned fuck all. You have a decent chance to offload a player no Chels rate and then you up the price

yep, she did the same with Courtois in 2017 (knowing he was not going to renew), and then Willian, Alonso, Azpi, Luiz, and Hazard (same contract situ as Courtois,just one year later)

when all is said and done

my best guess is that she lost us (NOT joking) damn near £275-300m in lost sales revenue versus what we will get or did get for just those players

that doesn't count the well over £100m (I think it is far more actually, just Drinkwater will end up at least 50m loss) wipe out from other shit buys and that Higs loan and the Kepa overpay

so at least 400m quid shit down the loo

and now we are in FFP issues

LOLOL

and have fuckall replacements for many (especially Hazard and the horrid LB situation)

BRILLIANT!!!!!

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

and Villa desperately want Bats

and Marina is up to her old tricks

raised his price to a crazy £45m

Chelsea quote massive £45m fee for Michy Batshuayi as Crystal Palace and Aston Villa are dealt transfer blow

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7878415/Chelsea-quote-massive-45m-fee-Michy-Batshuayi-transfer-blow-Aston-Villa.html

Rules say max one player on loan from another PL team and no way they pay that. 

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Relegation hard to call Norwich looked doomed but West Ham getting relegated would be fucking brilliant. Took the piss out of tax paying Londoners with that soulless bowl of a ground so the dildo brothers, Karen I'm a feminist but work for a couple of pornographers Brady and their gippo fans who are basically the far right lads alliance can all get in their caravans and fuck off.

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29 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

If that strue then she really is thick, have learned fuck all. You have a decent chance to offload a player no Chels rate and then you up the price

45m?!?!?! Why? They wont pay that for one player! Be realistic at least. 

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4 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Relegation hard to call Norwich looked doomed but West Ham getting relegated would be fucking brilliant. Took the piss out of tax paying Londoners with that soulless bowl of a ground so the dildo brothers, Karen I'm a feminist but work for a couple of pornographers Brady and their gippo fans who are basically the far right lads alliance can all get in their caravans and fuck off.

brilliantly said!!!!!!! 

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36 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

45m?!?!?! Why? They wont pay that for one player! Be realistic at least. 

Im not following you Layla? REalistic about what?

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8 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Im not following you Layla? REalistic about what?

The price. Neither club would pay that. Or be crazy to.Seems daft to make it so high.

Just looked..Villas transfer record signing is 22m...Palace 30. 

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17 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

The price. Neither club would pay that. Or be crazy to.Seems daft to make it so high.

Just looked..Villas transfer record signing is 22m...Palace 30. 

Ohh I thoutght you were aiming it at me, my bad. Yeah exactly Layla, these Clubs wont chunk out these sums.

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

Sterling didn't feature in two biggest City wins this season against Watford 8:0 and today against Villa 1:6. How important he really is for them? Whoever Pep chooses from his attacking options it's the same. Last season they won title and KDB was out whole season. I think Sterling really benefit from playing for Pep. Try to imagine him in Palace for example? Would score 5 to 7 goals max. 

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On 11/01/2020 at 9:55 PM, Vesper said:

No, it was not a red card offense 

Sounds like some butthurt spuds punters pushing rot

But he didn't get even a yellow.

 

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16 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

But he didn't get even a yellow.

 

Robertson easily got the ball first

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'That's a disgrace': Gary Neville DEFENDS Oli McBurnie as he is warned by the FA after Sheffield United striker made an obscene gesture while supporting his former club Swansea against Cardiff

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7882069/Gary-Neville-DEFENDS-Oli-McBurnie-obscene-gesture-watching-Cardiff-vs-Swansea.html

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Jimmy Greaves has been airbrushed from history - he is the true goalscoring reference point, not Alan Shearer

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/01/13/jimmy-greaves-has-airbrushed-history-true-goalscoring-reference/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

English football did not begin in 1992; it was simply rebranded.

And is there a career and set of records that have retrospectively benefited more from this historic airbrush than those of Alan Shearer? 

It is not Shearer’s fault, but every time there is some sort of goalscoring landmark, as there was this weekend with Sergio Aguero’s 12th Premier League hat-trick and 177th goal, the reference point is the same: Shearer, whose 260 Premier League goals is a record. You will know this because Match of the Day rarely miss an opportunity to point out that their star pundit was also the competition’s greatest ever goalscorer.

Except that he’s not. Not really. Not unless you think that changing the name of a competition that began some 104 years earlier - and still keeping all the same clubs, venues, players, rules and basic formats (with two fewer teams) - somehow makes that a new competition.

Holder of most of the real records is in fact Jimmy Greaves. He scored 357 goals in 516 league matches between 1957 and 1972 for Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur and West Ham United, which is actually 74 more goals than Shearer in 43 fewer games.

Shearer, who also scored 23 times in the old First Division, is actually fifth on the real list with 283 goals.

For further context, Wayne Rooney is 21st and there are 27 players who have scored more than 200 top-flight goals. Aguero, for all his brilliance and authentic status as the top overseas goalscorer, is not yet among them.

This desire only to start history in 1992 would be more understandable if football was somehow distorted previously and the records of yesteryear were out of reach and untouchable. But they are not. Greaves scored at a rate of 0.69 goals a game - almost identical to the two best of the current era (Aguero 0.69) and Harry Kane (0.68) - and comfortably ahead of Shearer on 0.51.

Indeed, what is striking about the real list of leading top-flight goalscorers is the spread of eras and how the exceptional domestic feats even of post-war goalscorers like Ian Rush, Geoff Hurst, Tony Cottee, Denis Law and Nat Lofthouse have become comparatively forgotten. Dixie Dean's 310 goals in 362 games between the two world wars is also jaw-dropping and too easily overlooked.

The greatest casualty in terms of recent recognition, however, is undoubtedly still Greaves. 

His all-time record for goals across the ‘big five’ European leagues was actually only recently broken by Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. Just stop and think about that. An English footballer - Jimmy Greaves - stands with only Messi and Ronaldo in the entire history of football as one of the leading three goalscorers in the major European club leagues.

Of the individual league records, it is also only Messi, with his La Liga record of 432, and Gerd Muller with 365 Bundesliga goals, who stand above Greaves’s haul in English club football of 357.

Greaves should be nationally revered and yet few people now seem to remember any of this, with BBC and Sky Sports (as well often as the wider media) invariably content to stick with less meaningful but more easily sourced reference points.

It is good to sometimes get the shorter-term context - and no one is disputing Shearer’s status among the very best British goalscorers - but then you wonder how an obsession with current and recently retired players impacts in other areas. 

Greaves also played in the England team that won the World Cup. He won Serie A, two FA Cups and the European Cup Winners Cup. He is now very ill and, although he might not much care, has somehow never been honoured. 

Shearer, with his one Premier League title and relentlessly plugged Premier League goalscorer’s record, is a CBE and there is a statue of him outside St James’ Park. 

Kane, with no silverware or records as yet, is an MBE. 

No one wants to wallow unnecessarily in the past and pretend that things were much better in yesteryear. But when something was, as with Greaves’ phenomenal goalscoring record, shouldn’t we also sometimes say so and ensure that is the true standard by which emerging greats like Aguero and Kane are measured?