The English Football Thread

[The Chels 2,502]

there is a difference between having control and giving control.

against stoke we had control, today after the GK makes such a howler and then the ref gifts them a penalty, they were literally given the control. same was the case against everton too. city have not been anything exceptional despite their winning streak.

and that was a one-off. they played well with 10 men against us and similarly were crap against united who had 10 men!!!

you are not getting the point here. arsenal hate playing stoke, they have a hard time against them cos their playing style simply makes them weak. but that is completely different from teams putting half arsed performance and simply not showing up!!!

It can't just be luck that in recent weeks every time they've played poorly they've still got a good result. If only we could have done that at Sunderland or Newcastle

[didierforever 7,349]

It can't just be luck that in recent weeks every time they've played poorly they've still got a good result. If only we could have done that at Sunderland or Newcastle

its not luck only... you dont need luck when u get decisions like these

[Fernando 6,495]

they played well with 10 men against us and similarly were crap against united who had 10 men!!!

And that's what I been saying.

Case close!

[The Chels 2,502]

its not luck only... you dont need luck when u get decisions like these

Although we'll never know I'm confident they'd have won that game anyway. Everton never looked like scoring and City would have got one from somewhere eventually.

[edetarod 2,155]

oh wow what a dull boxing day

even Liverpool won ffs

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

There is nothing wrong in hoping a team playing w/o Zabaleta, Kompany, Fernandinho, Aguero, Dzeko and Jovetic would slip away from home. And the frustration grows when you see Foster and Lescott serving them two goals on a silver platter. Eventually, this is the essence of football - no one can be 38-0-0 in May, you need others to slip in order to win the title.

If we are crybabies, I wonder you didn't you put your morgage at stake, City was 5/8 today

[zolayes 14,489]

oh wow what a dull boxing day

even Liverpool won ffs

never mind comedy starts soon

Q P Ha HA v Ha Ha Harsenal

[didierforever 7,349]

And that's what I been saying.

Case close!

huh???

what you have been saying is that teams like newcastle, sunderland, qpr etc etc play as well as against us as they play against city. united in a derby clash, despite united being poor these days, is hardly an example of this. i dont remember foster making a howler against us but i do remember players like colback, cattermole, shea, sissoko playing the match of their lives against us.

[Fernando 6,495]

huh???

what you have been saying is that teams like newcastle, sunderland, qpr etc etc play as well as against us as they play against city. united in a derby clash, despite united being poor these days, is hardly an example of this. i dont remember foster making a howler against us but i do remember players like colback, cattermole, shea, sissoko playing the match of their lives against us.

It's a perfect example of how a team can play amazing one game and play like crap another game.

So yes nothing more to say.

[didierforever 7,349]

It's a perfect example of how a team can play amazing one game and play like crap another game.

So yes nothing more to say.

so a manchester derby is equivalent for you with a match against sunderland???

if that is the case, then even i got nothing more to say.

[Fernando 6,495]

so a manchester derby is equivalent for you with a match against sunderland???

if that is the case, then even i got nothing more to say.

No but tell me if the team is playing amazing do you think a derby would make a difference in their qualities?

To me the point still stand.

At times you might have a team play amazing and at times they will play like crap.

[didierforever 7,349]

No but tell me if the team is playing amazing do you think a derby would make a difference in their qualities?

To me the point still stand.

At times you might have a team play amazing and at times they will play like crap.

ofcourse a derby if a massive thing. playing fulham at craven cottage in a london derby is the same as some other game (for fulham that is). ofcourse a derby makes a massive difference. add to that the fact that united have quality, world class players. so even comparing that one-off against something like newcastle or sunderland just does not make sense.

i agree with you that teams play amazing/crap at different points of time but not within a week. sunderland went from being defensively amazing to "bending" over for city 6 days later.

[zolayes 14,489]

never mind comedy starts soon

Q P Ha HA v Ha Ha Harsenal

I told you That was a HA HA HA fucking penalty

[Fernando 6,495]

ofcourse a derby if a massive thing. playing fulham at craven cottage in a london derby is the same as some other game (for fulham that is). ofcourse a derby makes a massive difference. add to that the fact that united have quality, world class players. so even comparing that one-off against something like newcastle or sunderland just does not make sense.

i agree with you that teams play amazing/crap at different points of time but not within a week. sunderland went from being defensively amazing to "bending" over for city 6 days later.

Not a one-of but an example of the concept.

I guess you want less quality team like Stoke beating city at their home?

That I think of Stoke has giving city a much harder time then us.

Stoke are to City what Newcastle are to us.

Each team has their bogey team if you want to call it that.

But even then I will sympathize with Sunderland because it's hard to use the same tactics back to back. It's like last year we had an amazing game at the etihad and then just got dispatch easily at the FA Cup against city.

So you got to understand its not easy to use the same tactics to perfection back to back, especially when theirs a big difference in quality.

[didierforever 7,349]

Not a one-of but an example of the concept.

I guess you want less quality team like Stoke beating city at their home?

That I think of Stoke has giving city a much harder time then us.

Stoke are to City what Newcastle are to us.

Each team has their bogey team if you want to call it that.

But even then I will sympathize with Sunderland because it's hard to use the same tactics back to back. It's like last year we had an amazing game at the etihad and then just got dispatch easily at the FA Cup against city.

So you got to understand its not easy to use the same tactics to perfection back to back, especially when theirs a big difference in quality.

stoke had a gameplan which worked like a charm against city. their effort on that day against city was no less than their effort against us. only difference being we scored in the 2nd minute thru a corner while city could not. that goal changed the whole game and the way they would have set up to play against us.

their is a big difference in quality between us and city? what ways? and again you are missing the point. i am not talking about tactics here. tactics can go bad, but anyone who saw the sunderland vs city game and sunderland vs chelsea game, would easily understand the massive difference in their level of effort and the kind of half arsed performance they put on the day.

[The Chels 2,502]

their is a big difference in quality between us and city? what ways? and again you are missing the point. i am not talking about tactics here. tactics can go bad, but anyone who saw the sunderland vs city game and sunderland vs chelsea game, would easily understand the massive difference in their level of effort and the kind of half arsed performance they put on the day.

The main differences between the two games were: Aguero played amazingly and Costa had a bad game, Coates played instead of Wes Brown against City and made some pretty big mistakes unlike Brown in our game, and City made much better use of their FBs than we did. You can't just put it down to effort and say Sunderland tried harder against us because there were much bigger factors at play.

[Fernando 6,495]

stoke had a gameplan which worked like a charm against city. their effort on that day against city was no less than their effort against us. only difference being we scored in the 2nd minute thru a corner while city could not. that goal changed the whole game and the way they would have set up to play against us.

their is a big difference in quality between us and city? what ways? and again you are missing the point. i am not talking about tactics here. tactics can go bad, but anyone who saw the sunderland vs city game and sunderland vs chelsea game, would easily understand the massive difference in their level of effort and the kind of half arsed performance they put on the day.

Did you forget last season how everyone was scared of City and us going to play them at the Etihad?

I think even some of our fans gave that match as a lose before the game started.

But Mourinho put an amazing game plan and we won 1 to 0.

A few days later we faced City again in the FA Cup, but this time we got dispatch easily.

What changed?

Mourinho said that it was not easy facing the best team in the league in such a short period of time.

Their quality back then was much more then ours.

Now imagine poor old Sunderland. Having their games of their life and expect that same level against another tough opponent.....your asking for a lot men.

[didierforever 7,349]

Did you forget last season how everyone was scared of City and us going to play them at the Etihad?

I think even some of our fans gave that match as a lose before the game started.

But Mourinho put an amazing game plan and we won 1 to 0.

A few days later we faced City again in the FA Cup, but this time we got dispatch easily.

What changed?

Mourinho said that it was not easy facing the best team in the league in such a short period of time.

Their quality back then was much more then ours.

Now imagine poor old Sunderland. Having their games of their life and expect that same level against another tough opponent.....your asking for a lot men.

the difference was we were playing a team against whom we had won twice in the league already, we played salah as our "false 9" for 45 minutes while city had their main team who would have been far far more hungry for a win against us.

the last line is what i am saying. you can give reasons/excuses for it, but these are professional players who are being paid to play.