Joker10 946 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 A very good player but he is very overrated by our fans !! may be that's because the lack of any decent options in midfield .I know he has been our best midfielder so far but i will never be able to make peace with a midfielder with that kind of a poor touch.I agree completely, but no doubt you will be scrutinized for your comment. Ramires is a good player but severely overrated by our supporters.Its kinda funny how drastic the opinion of Ramires is between Chelsea and Brazil supporters. I have a lot of Brazilians mates and been to a few Brazil football forum and their opinion of Ramires is similar to how we view Kalou. They don't like him at all, they see don't see what he is good for. They don't feel he is good enough to be a DM, obviously because of his poor passing, touch, and sometime reckless tackling. You wouldn't feel safe if he was your only DM on the pitch, which is why Lucas(Pool player) was on the pitch during most of Copa America. They looked at his offensive capacity that he doesn't add much creativity or goal threat opportunity. The concusses of Brazil supporters is that Hernanes should've been part of Copa America instead of Ramires.I don't agree with their views tbh, but i also don't rate him as highly as most of you do. BLionheart 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I dont agree with the view that members here overate our players .In fact I feel many are over critical of our players with the exception of our Enlish players most of our squad come in for a great deal of criticism . We are a dozen games into the season and players who have come in for heavystick include Bosingwa ,,Mikel , Malouda, Anelka , Drogba , Kalou and Luiz. BlueLion. and Naked Mole Rat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 then they shouldn't play him as DM@zolayes - you forgot Lampard... before his hattrick it was a sin to play him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak 22 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 then they shouldn't play him as DMExactly. Brazil don't need to play Ramires as a DM....they already have Lucas (Liverpool), Sandro (Spurs) and Luis Gustavo (Bayern Munich) as true DM's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I agree completely, but no doubt you will be scrutinized for your comment. Ramires is a good player but severely overrated by our supporters.Its kinda funny how drastic the opinion of Ramires is between Chelsea and Brazil supporters. I have a lot of Brazilians mates and been to a few Brazil football forum and their opinion of Ramires is similar to how we view Kalou. smh, he's not even that bad. And was actually one of their better players at Copa America.then they shouldn't play him as DMIn a 4-2-3-1 formation, that's probably the only position he could play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Then he simply doesn't fit their system... Comparing him to Kalou is harsh though Shak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 then they shouldn't play him as DM@zolayes - you forgot Lampard... before his hattrick it was a sin to play himProblem with that is brazil plays a variation between 4-2-3-1 and 4-2-2-2. They played Ramires and Lucas together and their midfield looked very stagnant, it is a very defensive midfield. You cannot play Ramires is a lone holding midfielder and you would give up a lot of creativity if you play him along a holding midfielder. Kinda of a paradox, especially considering how poor Ganso was at Copa America and is little help defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 smh, he's not even that bad. And was actually one of their better players at Copa America.I thought Ramires was ok overall at Copa America, but i would definitely say he was not one of the best. He was poor at times and his passing let him down way to many times. Overall Brazil was pretty bad tbh, so a lot of blame would go around.As i said most of my mates and other Brazilians had issues with Ramires, since they felt hernanes should've been there instead of him. You have to understand Ramires is pretty much an exception when think of Brazilian footballers. He is not flashy or attacking orrianted like most Brazilian players. Which is why i think he is underrated by them.Ramires has been very effective this season for us. Give AVB a lot of credit he is getting the best out of him and he recognizes Ramires strength and weakness. This season Ramires is a lot less involved in our build up and see a decrease in touches compared to last season. While Lampard has been a lot more involved in our build up. He is been effectively used and the 4-3-3 is better suited for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamikazeBlue 337 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 RAMBO IS BACK!!!!!!!!http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~2497410,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 A fully fit squad!The return of Torres, Ashley & even Bosingwa too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 A fully fit squad!The return of Torres, Ashley & even Bosingwa too!Hilario ill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Hilario illThere's always one.. BlueLion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kez 2,727 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 A fully fit squad!The return of Torres, Ashley & even Bosingwa too!Does Essien not count? BlueLion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I think a lot of people have forgotten about Michael Essien. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Does Essien not count?I think a lot of people have forgotten about Michael Essien.Not forgotten, but are you recalling the same Essien as I am from last season? Dire wasn't even the word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Do people really expect Essien to be good when he comes back...?THREE serious knee injuries is basically the end of a footballer's career, at least performing at a top level...Maybe he'll prove me wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Do people really expect Essien to be good when he comes back...?THREE serious knee injuries is basically the end of a footballer's career, at least performing at a top level...Maybe he'll prove me wrong?Yes but his presence is still huge in our midfield, he is like Patrick Anderson when he played for Barca. He follows instructions like a robot and he has a good awareness of what is around him. He can switch the play quickly and he is terrific in terms of positional play, even if he is at 80% he is our best midfielder next to Lampard. You could stick Essien on Modric tomorrow and he will cut him out the game and that is something you don't lose no matter how many injuries, his ability to identify danger zones is incredible. Villas Boas will be over the moon when he gets him back because he is a solid player who works very well with Lamps. Yes last season he was not playing that well mainly because Carlo was using a diamond formation which Micheal has never used, Lamps did not take to it like a duck to water either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 He wasn't at 80% last year. He was hardly at 20%. Absolutely shocking. Ramires provides much more to the team compared to that Essien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Essien was shocking last year but lets not forget what he brought to the party before last year.At times his mere prescence use to inspire the rest of the team (especially Mikel). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Essien was shocking last year but lets not forget what he brought to the party before last year.At times his mere prescence use to inspire the rest of the team (especially Mikel).Agree with that.. but I have my doubts whether he can be even 20% of the player he used to be. 3 injuries in 4 years is just horrific. We shouldn't just depend on him thinking "oh all is okay essien is still to come back!" give him some time, if nothing has improved by the end of the season, let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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