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[Thor 2,392]

9 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

But that's what pep has earned, he isn't manager to go to a struggling team, he's a manager to go to a good team and turn them into one of the best teams in the world...... He goes to these teams because he can, and they want him, and he's top of the pile on every clubs manager shortlist? He's done that he's created that, you can't take that away from him regardless what you think, it's a ridiculous argument.

I never said otherwise. 
I said he has gotten the most favourable conditions out of any manager ever. 
 

1 CL with this City team is an underachievement. 
None with that Bayern team. Underachievement. 
 

Pep also gets the most leniency. Pep also has gone to a team with 115 pending infractions that go outside of just the rules of the sport but fraud level. 
 

I find all the 100m sprinters super impressive even though I know they’re all on PEDs. But if all were clean aside from one you wouldn’t be as impressed by the one. 

[NikkiCFC 7,923]

9 hours ago, Thor said:

I never said otherwise. 
I said he has gotten the most favourable conditions out of any manager ever. 
 

1 CL with this City team is an underachievement. 
None with that Bayern team. Underachievement. 

I agree. Managers can do 3 things. 

Overachieve, underachieve and do expected. 

Pep mostly do expected or fails like many times in CL. 

He could never do what Ranieri, Conte, Mourinho, Alonso did... Overachieve big time. Put him in mid table team or relegation fodder I have no doubt he would be the worst. 

[Reddish-Blue 2,333]

13 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Put him in mid table team or relegation fodder I have no doubt he would be the worst. 

You put any solid manager in charge of mid table or relegation fodder and they wouldn't achieve anything...

Just like if you put a relegation manager in charge of a top side, they wouldn't be competing for titles.   You think if the Sheffield United manager was put in charge of say City or even Arsenal that they would still get 85+ points this season?    

[robsblubot 3,482]

6 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I agree. Managers can do 3 things. 

Overachieve, underachieve and do expected. 

Pep mostly do expected or fails like many times in CL. 

He could never do what Ranieri, Conte, Mourinho, Alonso did... Overachieve big time. Put him in mid table team or relegation fodder I have no doubt he would be the worst. 

Agreed, and? why is that important? He started and will end as a top manager for big clubs. Whether he can employ a defensive formation that works at a smaller club is irrelevant IMO.

I think your analysis is too focused on results, and expectations based on investment; reminder that we overspent all clubs in the last 2 seasons.

I suggest looking at Pep focusing on considering consistency and playing style.
I think he's well above average with the consistency, and authored the style in which City plays (and Arsenal attempts to implement). That playing style helps provide that consistency esp in long championships like the PL.

Consistently dominate the PL is very different from Germany or even Spain. So much so that Pool managed to disrupt that in a season, but it did not last.

Reminder City won everything they played last season.

[NikkiCFC 7,923]

6 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

  You think if the Sheffield United manager was put in charge of say City or even Arsenal that they would still get 85+ points this season?    

Maybe why not. 

 

19 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Reminder City won everything they played last season.

One CL in 7 attempts when you are main favorite is nothing special. He was 6 times knocked out by weaker opponents like Monaco, Lyon, Spurs... won once thanks to Lukaku. 

Zidane who is considered below average coach won like 4 CL in a row. 

So yeah I believe that anyone can do it with best teams. RDM or Grant...

Just like every F1 driver would win Championship in Max car. 

[Gundalf 804]

2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Just like every F1 driver would win Championship in Max car. 

[robsblubot 3,482]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Maybe why not. 

 

One CL in 7 attempts when you are main favorite is nothing special. He was 6 times knocked out by weaker opponents like Monaco, Lyon, Spurs... won once thanks to Lukaku. 

Zidane who is considered below average coach won like 4 CL in a row. 

So yeah I believe that anyone can do it with best teams. RDM or Grant...

Just like every F1 driver would win Championship in Max car. 

Yes, CL is a single-elimination competition where his style of play is less effective. Going behind late in a single elimination game and you are likely going out.
I'd actually argue that CL is dominated more by players than managers... having the players who can win you matches is mandatory, which is why they went for Haaland.

League is different. His (positional -- that he authored) style of play is really consistent in those competitions.
I totally see a huge difference in City before and after Pep took the helm, but that's me. 🤷‍♂️
Would they win like they do without the players? of course not. Can't win at this level without the top players.

The best F1 pilots always end up driving the best cars eventually.
 

Edited May 22 by robsblubot

[Thor 2,392]

11 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

You put any solid manager in charge of mid table or relegation fodder and they wouldn't achieve anything...

Just like if you put a relegation manager in charge of a top side, they wouldn't be competing for titles.   You think if the Sheffield United manager was put in charge of say City or even Arsenal that they would still get 85+ points this season?    

You're not really reading or replying to what he is saying. 

His conditions have always been more favourable - and if all things being equal he said he wouldn't do as well as the other managers he considers better. Not a far fetch statement when there is proof of that. 

1 CL in 7 tries with City. Underachieving. 

None with Bayern. Underachieving. They had just won it too. 

Wherever Pep has gone, it is the most stacked team in the league with the most financial backing. On top of that controversy with ref payments and 115 charges for added benefit of getting ahead. 

Zidane didn't have as much going for him - CL after CL win. 

Carlo didn't even have a striker - knocks him out and serial CL winner.

 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,455]

Caicedo goal nominated for PL goal of the season.

 

 

[Magic Lamps 11,645]

On 24/05/2024 at 23:49, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Caicedo goal nominated for PL goal of the season.

 

 

Obv garnachos overhead kick will win it bc it’s manure but caicedo‘s is just as good. The strike is so clean and even finds the top corner, not tipping once before it hits the net. One of the most uncompromising goals from the half way line. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,455]

Chelsea Goal of the Year