FIFA Club World Cup Thread

[Fulham Broadway 17,313]

Right, as you were.

On to bigger games...Bournemouth

[Vesper 30,175]

40 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Why Argentine have no black players in their team ?
Argentine never had a black minority but neither did Germany-Italy and most of the other countries,

Italians were the major immigrants in Argentina

plus Nazis via the rat lines (Brasil too)

[Vesper 30,175]

51 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Mbappe and Pele both 12 goals on 14 WC games. But if he wants to enter goat race he needs that move to Madrid. 

it would not hurt to win a CL at PSG

[robsblubot 3,595]

52 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Why Argentine have no black players in their team ?
Argentine never had a black minority but neither did Germany-Italy and most of the other countries,

who knows maybe their small black population have better things to do than kick a football? I get your point though, but it's hard to say. It's the other way for Brazil (blacks are overrepresented in the NT), and I don't think that's a good thing; they are underrepresented in congress for ex.
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All in all, I think Argentina deserved the win and outplayed France for most of the game.
Had Pogba, Kante, and Bezema been available and fit, things could've been different. Kante would have helped in that first half, for ex.

I thought Giroud's age showed big time in the final. It was a game for different energy levels. And Dembele for me, what a stupid player. 🙂 Was a reminder why I don't like him as a player.

Younger players always struggle in decisive penalty kicks -- it's not very complicated. 🙄

Edited December 18, 2022 by robsblubot

[cosmicway 1,333]

7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Italians were the major immigrants in Argentina

plus Nazis via the rat lines (Brasil too)

There were no rat lines for Brazil. The Brazilians were allies - fought in Italy, Monte Cassino.
But after the war Brazil too was an easy country where nazis could hide.
The Italians although never possessed colonies have many black players. Bolatelli was one.

[cosmicway 1,333]

11 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

who knows maybe their small black population have better things to do than kick a football? I get your point though, but it's hard to say.
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All in all, I think Argentina deserved the win and outplayed France for most of the game.
Had Pogba, Kante, and Bezema been available and fit, things could've been different. Kante would have helped in that first half, for ex.

I thought Giroud's age showed big time in the final. It was a game for a different energy levels. And Dembele for me, what a stupid player. 🙂 Was a reminder why I don't like him as a player.

Younger players always struggle in decisive penalty kicks -- it's not very complicated. 🙄

Up to the 80th minute it looked like Chelsea v. Shrewsbury for the first round of the FA cup,
When Giroud was replaced, it was no longer a game for him, France needed men to carry the ball and penetrate. But if Giroud was present after the 2-2 he would have won the world cup.
The referee denied a pen for France for ... faking. Who is going to fake infront of goal ? They fake near the edge of the box, alright. But it was a position similar to Kolomuani's chance - you don't fake there !!!

Edited December 18, 2022 by cosmicway

[robsblubot 3,595]

14 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Italians were the major immigrants in Argentina

plus Nazis via the rat lines (Brasil too)

That's true, but a LOT of migration took place before (even the first) world war. Germany was in shambles and people desperate enough that they would believe lies coming from places like Brazil's gov. My granny, for ex, was already born in Brazil soil before WWI.

[Fulham Broadway 17,313]

8 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

The Italians although never possessed colonies

Eritrea, (where they slaughtered thousands), Ethiopia, East Africa, Libya...they were as bad as the rest

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Eritrea, (where they slaughtered thousands), Ethiopia, East Africa, Libya...they were as bad as the rest

Very vriefly. They were defeated. In Libya too they were defeated.
Colonies were possessed, if you observe, by the countries with Atlantic coast. The others had no chance.

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Feels weird in a way. Since it was announced where it was and that be in November/December its been a talking point for years.. now it's over just like that! Time flies...it was enjoyable now back to shitty us lol wooo

[cosmicway 1,333]

It's not fair to decide the world cup on pens.
They should be declared co-champions.
After all there is no promotion to some other competition for the champion team.

[Vesper 30,175]

25 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

There were no rat lines for Brazil. The Brazilians were allies - fought in Italy, Monte Cassino.
But after the war Brazil too was an easy country where nazis could hide.
The Italians although never possessed colonies have many black players. Bolatelli was one.

you are SO wrong

one of my best friends (and friends with my parents and siblings) since I was a pre teen is a half Swede, quarter Dane, quarter Norwegian woman from Porto Allegre, Brasil, (she lived in London for a long time, which is where she met us) whose grandfather moved to Berlin in the 1930s and became a huge engineer under Albert Speer, worked on multiple shady as fuck projects, including helping design concentration/death camps

he escaped to Brasil, down south, in Rio Grande do Sul via rat lines, and he became a massively rich engineer there

he funnelled dosh back to Germany for decades to support former Nazis who stayed behind, he personally travelled there under a fake Brasilian passport multiple times

he had so many fellow traveller in Brasil

they had dozens of meetings over the decades, all sorts old Nazi batshittery, including them gathering (I have seen multiple videos of some of these ceremonies from her) once a year at the summer solstice and breaking out a giant punchbowl with a huge sugar cone in the middle, with old regimental SS sabres crossed on top, and the thing lit afire from the alcohol in the punch, whilst they all sang the Horst-Wessel-Lied

his son (her father) has helped fund RW political activities for ages in Brasil

he married another mixed Dane/Norwegian/Swede whose family worked with the Quisling government in Norway who also escaped to Brasil via ratines after WWII

he (her father) HATES the fact she is close friends with my interracial family

so did the old grandfather (who died years ago)

they disowned her when she started dating a multimillionaire Jewish jeweller from Rio (that ended badly when his family found out her background)

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Vesper

[robsblubot 3,595]

OK back to watching the other football... the game that is squeezed in between ads. 😅

[Fernando 6,585]

Yeah France without kante is not going to win. Just like us. 

This sport sucks without kante. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

you are SO wrong

one of my best friends (and friends with my parents and siblings) since I was a pre teen is a half Swede, quarter Dane, quarter Norwegian woman from Porto Allegre, Brasil, (she lived in London for a long time, which is where she met us) whose grandfather moved to Berlin in the 1930s and became a huge engineer under Albert Speer, worked on multiple shady as fuck projects, including helping design concentration/death camps

he escaped to Brasil, down south, in Rio Grande do Sul via rat lines, and he became a massively rich engineer there

he funnelled dosh back to Germany for decades to support former Nazis who stayed behind, he personally travelled there under a fake Brasilian passport multiple times

he had so many fellow traveller in Brasil

they had dozens of meetings over the decades, all sorts old Nazi batshittery, including them gathering (I have seen multiple videos of some of these ceremonies from her) once a year at the summer solstice and breaking out a giant punchbowl with a huge sugar cone in the middle, with old regimental SS sabres crossed on top, and the thing lit afire from the alcohol in the punch, whilst they all sang the Horst-Wessel-Lied

his son (her father) has helped fund RW political activities for ages in Brasil

he married another mixed Dane/Norwegian/Swede whose family worked with the Quisling government in Norway who also escaped to Brasil via ratines after WWII

he (her father) HATES the fact she is close friends with my interracial family

so did the old grandfather (who died years ago)

they disowned her when she started dating a multimillion Jewish jeweller from Rio (that ended badly when his family found out her background)

 

That's what I said.
There was no immigration control these days, like my first visit to Sweden.
The immigration officer was half asleep and he says to me move on, move on, come on.
I had to wake him up "please sir in Athens they will think I was in Moscow if you don't stamp my passport" - only then did he stamp it.
But the rat lines were in Argentine, never Brazil.
Brazil on the other hand was not a cosignatory of interpol till the nineties. After the Koskotas scandal in Greece in 1989 bank fraudster Koskotas escaped to Brazil. Brazil could not extradite because they were not in
interpol and what they did was to refuse a visa. So Koskotas flew out and when he found himself in American air space the Americans ordered his plane down and arrested him.
 

[Fulham Broadway 17,313]

25 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Very vriefly. They were defeated. In Libya too they were defeated.
Colonies were possessed, if you observe, by the countries with Atlantic coast. The others had no chance.

They were also in Somalia

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

30 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

Feels weird in a way. Since it was announced where it was and that be in November/December its been a talking point for years.. now it's over just like that! Time flies...it was enjoyable now back to shitty us lol wooo

Best World Cup ever for me. 

[Vesper 30,175]

19 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

But the rat lines were in Argentine, never Brazil.

you need to go down to Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina and tell the good burghers there that, LOLOLOL

Blumenau, Santa Catarina, 30% of the city’s 320,000 residents are of German descent

Gramado, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil

Nova Württemberg (Rio Grande do Sul)

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After Germany's defeat in World War II, many Nazis who were sought by the Allies as suspected war criminals fled to Brazil and hid among the German-Brazilian communities. The most famous case was Josef Mengele, a doctor who became known as the "Angel of Death" at the Auschwitz concentration camp. Mengele performed medical experiments with living humans, always without anaesthesia, for the purpose of researching the perfection of the Aryan race. A good part of the victims of their "scientific experiments" were dwarfs and twins. Mengele lived hidden in the interior of São Paulo state from 1970 to 1979, when he drowned in Bertioga, on the coast of São Paulo state, without ever having been recognized.

 

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Vesper

[Vesper 30,175]

7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Josef Mengele, a doctor who became known as the "Angel of Death" at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

Mengele in Brasil

Edited December 18, 2022 by Vesper

[robsblubot 3,595]

Porto Alegre (4mil grand population) is my hometown and I grew up going go Gramado (an hour drive from Porto Alegre) -- great food and entertainment there esp in the winter... they even get snow sometimes (more like a dusting, but eh).
While I'm not ignorant of the history--what you posted is well known, I have to say that I have never ever met, or heard of, of a Nazi sympathizer. Yes, it's anecdotal evidence at best, but at the same time, it wasn't a subject that ever came up (not even in college where anything goes). I'm sure they exist, but it's just not something that comes up a lot down there.

Perhaps it's unfair to compare, given how news moves these days, but I have a feeling that the Nazi sympathizers here in the US are actually more organized and vocal, if not more abundant. I've had someone literally mention Nazi writings to me at some point, which was cringeworthy, evidently... not only because of what it was, but also because it was presented as scientific evidence. 🙄

Now if we go into racism, that's a different story and there is a lot of that... and it deserves its own thread (or forum).