Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 29,015]

12 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

A first refusal transfer clause gives the club who has the benefit of the clause the opportunity to be informed of any deal that the selling club is willing to accept for the transfer of the player. This is different from a buy-back clause because usually with a first refusal clause, the selling club retains the power to decide whether to sell the player or not. Typically, a buy-back clause automatically triggers the transfer of the player should specific contractual conditions be met. In practice, the selling club will not have any way of refusing the buy-back offer if the clause is intended to be an automatic trigger and it is drafted appropriately.

If City match the price, Sancho will go back to them, I see little to stop that from happening. I do not see Sancho vetoing it, for reasons stated above.

That 20% sell-on clause also gives them a huge advantage as well.

[NikkiCFC 8,048]

5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

If City match the price, Sancho will go back to them, I see little to stop that from happening. I do not see Sancho vetoing it, for reasons stated above.

That 20% sell-on clause also gives them a huge advantage as well.

I just read Sancho thread on Blue Moon forum and didn't see one comment as convinced as you are about Sancho going back to City. 

No one is expecting that they will even use first refusal clause. 

After all, Sancho is Chelsea fan just like you and me. What would you do in his position? Plus his best mates are already here. He's from London... 

[Vesper 29,015]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

EH? They have that right in the contract? First I've heard of it. 

the right of first refusal has been talked about since I joined here, or near to it

 

Man City hoping to lure Jadon Sancho back in £90m transfer… and believe five things are in their favour above rivals

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10563805/man-city-jadon-sancho-90m-transfer-dortmund/

MANCHESTER CITY are stepping up their pursuit to get Jadon Sancho back from Borussia Dortmund.

And Pep Guardiola’s side believe there are five key reasons why they are favourite to land the England winger.

The 19-year-old quit the Etihad in the summer of 2017 in his search for regular first-team football.

He has gone on to become one of the best attackers in Europe, scoring 21 goals in just 59 Bundesliga matches.

The Continent's elite are all looking to snap him up, including Manchester United, Chelsea, Real Madrid and Barcelona.

But City feel have the advantage on their rivals, with a number of contractual factors already in their favour.

These include:

20 per cent discount of transfer fee due to sell on clause.
Option to match any offer which comes in from other clubs.
Big pals with Raheem Sterling and other England players.
Knows the club inside out after spending two years there.
Looking to quit Dortmund in search of a step up in club ambition.

City have started to look for a replacement for Leroy Sane, as Bayern Munich prepare another bid.

It is understood Guardiola has sent staff over to Germany for regular scouting missions on Sancho since he left.

 

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[Vesper 29,015]

3 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I just read Sancho thread on Blue Moon forum and didn't see one comment as convinced as you are about Sancho going back to City. 

No one is expecting that they will even use first refusal clause. 

After all, Sancho is Chelsea fan just like you and me. What would you do in his position? Plus his best mates are already here. He's from London... 

lets hope so

if Sanes goes to Bayern, Shitty will be looking to replace

[Vesper 29,015]

5 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I just read Sancho thread on Blue Moon forum and didn't see one comment as convinced as you are about Sancho going back to City. 

No one is expecting that they will even use first refusal clause. 

After all, Sancho is Chelsea fan just like you and me. What would you do in his position? Plus his best mates are already here. He's from London... 

I have to add, I am not 100% convinced that Shitty would do it, but I am wary of the option

[NikkiCFC 8,048]

From Blue Moon forum... 

Not exactly ITK but a friend of mine is best mates with one of the lads in youth recruitment at City, he was involved in bringing Sancho up from Watford etc. He is in contact with Sancho quite a lot and basically the word is that he doesn't want to come back to Manchester. He is targeting a move to Chelsea but he has been hearing they will go for Zaha in January which would stop that move as they already have Hudson-Odoi. Plenty could change of course but just a little snippet of info.

I still think Zaha is smoke screen. No way we go for him over Sancho... 

[Superblue 6,372]

47 minutes ago, Vesper said:

wrong

see my other posts on the subject

unless it is written into the contract (which makes ZERO sense for Shitty or any team to do so at it defeats the entire purpose of both a buy back and a right of first refusal clause) a player cannot void the deal. He signed the contract, he must legally abide by it. And if Sane is sold to Bayern, Sancho would have little reason to NOT want to go back to them anyway, as it would be Pep and the club not only admitting they made a huge mistake, but paying dearly to sort that mistake)

I've never before seen or heard of an interpretation of this clause as that.

Otherwise every club would sell their players in that way.

So Burnley sell a player with first refusal and 2-3 years later this player develops into a top drawer player and Barcelona or Real Madrid want him but he is 'forced' to rejoin Burnley because they've matched an offer from those two?! I'm pretty sure it would be illegal to force a player to move back once you've signed over their registration. That level of control would not be allowed.

Similar to a buy-back clause. If we triggered Ake's that doesn't mean he has to move back if he wants to remain at Bournemouth. You'd never want to bring a player in anyway that doesn't want to join your club, especially for £120m.

Now a decision between us and City is completely separate. City are obviously hugely attractive but it's hardly like we are some little club fighting a European heavyweight. There would be lots of reasons why Sancho would possibly choose us over City.

[Vesper 29,015]

1 minute ago, NikkiCFC said:

From Blue Moon forum... 

Not exactly ITK but a friend of mine is best mates with one of the lads in youth recruitment at City, he was involved in bringing Sancho up from Watford etc. He is in contact with Sancho quite a lot and basically the word is that he doesn't want to come back to Manchester. He is targeting a move to Chelsea but he has been hearing they will go for Zaha in January which would stop that move as they already have Hudson-Odoi. Plenty could change of course but just a little snippet of info.

I still think Zaha is smoke screen. No way we go for him over Sancho... 

 

lets hope this is indeed the case

I have gotten my hopes up a dozen times in last 6 years or so only to end up disappointed

[Superblue 6,372]

I'm a big fan of Sancho but I actually think £120m is a ridiculous amount to be having to pay.

Having said that, if the alternative is Zaha and he's £80m then Sancho should be prioritised.

[Vesper 29,015]

2 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I've never before seen or heard of an interpretation of this clause as that.

Otherwise every club would sell their players in that way.

So Burnley sell a player with first refusal and 2-3 years later this player develops into a top drawer player and Barcelona or Real Madrid want him but he is 'forced' to rejoin Burnley because they've matched an offer from those two?! I'm pretty sure it would be illegal to force a player to move back once you've signed over their registration. That level of control would not be allowed.

Similar to a buy-back clause. If we triggered Ake's that doesn't mean he has to move back if he wants to remain at Bournemouth. You'd never want to bring a player in anyway that doesn't want to join your club, especially for £120m.

Now a decision between us and City is completely separate. City are obviously hugely attractive but it's hardly like we are some little club fighting a European heavyweight. There would be lots of reasons why Sancho would possibly choose us over City.

a buyback clause absolutely locks a player in, they have to go back 

a first refusal (depending on the wording, which is not so clear in this case) is more nebulous so let's hope that Sancho has no desire to go back to Shitty

 

 

[Vesper 29,015]

8 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I'm a big fan of Sancho but I actually think £120m is a ridiculous amount to be having to pay.

Having said that, if the alternative is Zaha and he's £80m then Sancho should be prioritised.

I agree, it is a huge amount to toss the dice on

for that matter, so is £80m for Zaha

I have no idea what is going on with Ziyech, Isco, Nicolò Zaniolo (who is my favourite out of these), etc etc

 

the only 2 players I 100% am sold on are Chilwell and Werner (Werner due to low price, IF he was £100-120m plus as well, then right back to same spot as I am with Sancho)

also (again due to price) a great deal is Thomas Partey for DMF (only £42m RC)

but I have seen zero links and as I have said before, I think the club really wants Declan Rice

Ake for £40m is also in the almost no-brainer because of his ball-playing skills and he also can cover at LB (not sure how good he actually is there at all, I would need to watch some footage)

I think I soon just retreat from all this speculation and toss my faith with the club and Lamps to do the right thing (hopefully they are done with the 2014-18 nightmare decisions)

 

 

[Fernando 6,484]

120 is worth it. 

Look at how much Barcelona paid for coutinho and dembele. 

Sancho is in that bracket. 

[Superblue 6,372]

3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I agree, it is a huge amount to toss the dice on

for that matter, so is £80m for Zaha

I have no idea what is going on with Ziyech, Isco, Nicolò Zaniolo (who is my favourite out of these), etc etc

 

the only 2 players I 100% am sold on are Chilwell and Werner (Werner due to low price, IF he was £100-120m plus as well, then right back to same spot as I am with Sancho)

also (again due to price) a great deal is Thomas Partey for DMF (only £42m RC)

but I have seen zero links and as I have said before, I think the club really wants Declan Rice

Ake for £40m is also in the almost no-brainer because of his ball-playing skills and he also can cover at LB (not sure how good he actually is there at all, I would need to watch some footage)

I think I soon just retreat from all this speculation and toss my faith with the club and Lamps to do the right thing (hopefully they are done with the 2014-18 nightmare decisions)

 

 

I know the whole landscape of football has changed since the Neymar move and the market is essentially completely broken, but I still feel for that price you should be buying someone who is maybe 23-24 years old with the perfect blend of experience and youth on their side and likely just going into their peak years. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Sancho and would love him here. I just feel he has more to prove to be considered that level.

Having said that, I would have said the same about Mbappe when he left Monaco for such a crazy sum of money and look at how that has turned out. Sometimes I guess you have to take that gamble on some players because if they do reach the potential expected of them they could become amongst the world's very best.

On Ake, I agree. I also believe he would be perfectly suited to playing in a back 3 too. Like some have pointed out I don't expect the back 3 to be an ever-present formation for us, but it should be noted that our two best performances in the league this season (Wolves and Spurs) have come with that formation. Having another player suited and versatile to play both a back 3 and 4 can only help us long term.

[Superblue 6,372]

8 minutes ago, Fernando said:

120 is worth it. 

Look at how much Barcelona paid for coutinho and dembele. 

Sancho is in that bracket. 

I'd like to think he's above that bracket because both failed to justify their price tags.

[Vesper 29,015]

Leeds fans stunned by Ben White performance on Twitter

The Leeds United loanee finally had a poor game under Marcelo Bielsa.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/12/21/leeds-fans-stunned-by-ben-white-performance-on-twitter/

Leeds United fans on Twitter can't believe how poor Ben White was this afternoon.

White has been a revelation since joining Leeds on loan from Brighton & Hove Albion.

He is a huge reason as to why Marcelo Bielsa's side had conceded only 13 goals in 22 Championship outings before today.

But the visit to Fulham this afternoon was one to forget for the 22-year-old.

The Leeds centre-back conceded a silly penalty inside eight minutes by putting his hands on Aleksandar Mitrovic, who needed no invitation to go to ground before smashing home the penalty.

Mitrovic was a pest for White all evening long and another of his errors almost led to the Elland Road side going 2-1 down in the second half.

On the whole, it wasn't what Leeds fans have come to expect from the young stalwart, and here's how some supporters reacted to his display.

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[Jase 43,479]

4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

From Blue Moon forum... 

Not exactly ITK but a friend of mine is best mates with one of the lads in youth recruitment at City, he was involved in bringing Sancho up from Watford etc. He is in contact with Sancho quite a lot and basically the word is that he doesn't want to come back to Manchester. He is targeting a move to Chelsea but he has been hearing they will go for Zaha in January which would stop that move as they already have Hudson-Odoi. Plenty could change of course but just a little snippet of info.

I still think Zaha is smoke screen. No way we go for him over Sancho... 

You kinda asked it yourself in the CHO thread - what would happen to CHO if we have Sancho & Pulisic? If the long term plan is to have CHO and Pulisic on the wings, then it kinda makes sense to go after Zaha instead of Sancho. But of course, if we're talking about value between Zaha and Sancho, then it makes more sense to get the latter instead.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

16 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I'd like to think he's above that bracket because both failed to justify their price tags.

I haven't seen Coutinho in Germany. Is he doing as well as reports suggest? I ask because Dembele looked fully worth the fee Barcelona paid while he was a Bundesliga player. I wonder if that factor is significant when considering Sancho's true value.

[El P. 1,354]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

You kinda asked it yourself in the CHO thread - what would happen to CHO if we have Sancho & Pulisic? If the long term plan is to have CHO and Pulisic on the wings, then it kinda makes sense to go after Zaha instead of Sancho. But of course, if we're talking about value between Zaha and Sancho, then it makes more sense to get the latter instead.

Pulisic is not really a world-beater, and never will be. If CHO can't be better than Pulisic, than it's all on him I think. We are playing in a lot of games so a believe all of them would get enough chances.

Problem is that we really need more goals from somewhere. And it would be shame to replace Tammy, he is good enough. Other 2 in that attacking trio must be questioned in that regard.