Chelsea Transfers

[YorkshireBlue 3,304]

19 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Some people have extremely unrealistic expectations regarding (very) young players.

I mean, for the striker position, I can think of Rooney and Ronaldo #9 (in Italy) and that's about it for u20 strikers delivering from the get-go.

Young players haven't gotten that opportunity to often because of the so called "big names" Jackson's young first season in the pl he got what 14 goals?  That's not as bad as some make out for there first season.

[robsblubot 3,595]

13 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Mbappe did rather well for himself whilst at Monaco (17 IIRC).

I specifically mentioned striker, and you were very specific about what you want from strikers in a post earlier, but my point exactly: only the truly exceptional have delivered so young.

Strikers have a harder time avoiding contact than wingers for obvious reasons.

6 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Young players haven't gotten that opportunity to often because of the so called "big names" Jackson's young first season in the pl he got what 14 goals?  That's not as bad as some make out for there first season.

I'm not talking about 22yo young here. I'm referring to Marc Guiu (18yo) and u20 strikers.

Edited July 18, 2024 by robsblubot

[LAM09 7,072]

5 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

I specifically mentioned striker, and you were very specific about what you want from strikers in a post earlier, but my point exactly: only the truly exceptional have delivered so young.

Strikers have a harder time avoiding contact than strikers for obvious reasons.

My post was edited for that specific reason.

Talking about the expectational - Estevao is supposedly in that bracket. Should we give him a few years to prove himself when he comes next season, or should we aim for figures akin to those of a certain player, Neymar (a stupid comparison, IMO)?

Edited July 18, 2024 by LAM09

[robsblubot 3,595]

8 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

My post was edited for that specific reason.

Talking about the expectational - Estevao is supposedly in that bracket. Should we give him a few years to prove himself when he comes next season, or should we aim for figures akin to those of a certain player, Neymar (a stupid comparison, IMO)?

Again, I'm talking about the Striker position (referring to expectations around Marc Guiu), which is the player who plays centralized and has to beat the opposition CBs. He has to be comfortable playing with his back to the opposition goal, which is a very specific skillset to be learned.

Estevao is not a striker either and his build suggests he may be better used elsewhere.

Edited July 18, 2024 by robsblubot

[LAM09 7,072]

2 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Again, I'm talking about the Striker position (referring to expectations around Marc Guiu), which is the player who plays centralized and has to beat the opposition CBs. He has to be comfortable playing with his back to the opposition goal, which is a very specific skillset to be learned.

Estevao is not a striker either and his build suggests he may be better used elsewhere.

Everyone, I believe, was expecting Guiu to be given a chance rather than being sent off as soon as possible (rumours at the moment).

These goalposts are difficult to follow. Can we only judge players above a certain age, or is it dependent on their position?

[robsblubot 3,595]

10 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Everyone, I believe, was expecting Guiu to be given a chance rather than being sent off as soon as possible (rumours at the moment).

These goalposts are difficult to follow. Can we only judge players above a certain age, or is it dependent on their position?

Are you serious here? You think a CB, a goalie, a striker, wingers require the same experience level? Physicality? really?! Any 18yo successful goalies you remember? Any 18yo CB for that matter?
Now wingers are a bit more common to see u20 aren't they? because they are not in the "contact zone" are not the "backbone" of a team.

I specifically listed only 2 strikers that I can remember who had success at the highest level u20... now if you are not interested in this discussion, I honestly don't know you replied. 🤷‍♂️

[robsblubot 3,595]

Duh Alexandre Pato was 18 too when he joined Milan.

Anyway, suppose Maresca and other coaches took one look at Marc in training and thought he needs more time. 🤷‍♂️

[mkh 627]

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[TheHulk 2,514]

Hope this trash is fake.

Edited July 18, 2024 by TheHulk

[robsblubot 3,595]

5 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Hope this trash is fake.

One of the worst CMs I've ever seen in Brazil midfield.

The other one was (United) Fred.
 

Edited July 18, 2024 by robsblubot

[Pizy 18,996]

5 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Hope this trash is fake.

lol these outlets literally just making shit up out of thin air.

He’s not even as good as Gallagher or Carney. 

[mkh 627]

 

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Chelsea will attempt to sell both of Trevoh Chalobah Axel Disasi and Benoit Badiashile.

Alfie Gilchrist is available for loan and clubs being explored now. Como and Watford have enquired.

 

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[robsblubot 3,595]

10 minutes ago, Pizy said:

lol these outlets literally just making shit up out of thin air.

He’s not even as good as Gallagher or Carney. 

Also reported in Brazil -- perhaps from the same source, the agent Kia Joorabchian.

Thought Carney was more of a left winger, or at least that's where I liked him the most in the couple of games he played.

[LAM09 7,072]

3 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Are you serious here? You think a CB, a goalie, a striker, wingers require the same experience level? Physicality? really?! Any 18yo successful goalies you remember? Any 18yo CB for that matter?
Now wingers are a bit more common to see u20 aren't they? because they are not in the "contact zone" are not the "backbone" of a team.

I specifically listed only 2 strikers that I can remember who had success at the highest level u20... now if you are not interested in this discussion, I honestly don't know you replied. 🤷‍♂️

Where exactly did I mention that?

Any 18yo successful goalies you remember?  I'll go one better for you, Donnaruma at 16-17 years of age -Gianluigi Donnarumma - Detailed stats | Transfermarkt 

Thibo at 19 years of age (another example close enough to show the former isn't a generational talent) - Thibaut Courtois - Detailed stats | Transfermarkt

Do you want me to debunk any more theories?

Each player ought to be assessed appropriately. But it feels like a cop-out to me to pick and choose how to judge someone based on their age, price tag, position, or whatever league they play in.

Did I not mention Haaland? If you are truly prepared to keep to the topic at hand, I'm happy to have any discussion on it. Please direct me to the people who are requesting "too much" from Guiu.

Edited July 18, 2024 by LAM09

[OneMoSalah 8,901]

6 hours ago, mkh said:

Enzo Maresca has advised new Chelsea signing Marc Guiu to join Espanyol on loan for the season. (via @esport3)

So another club signing who the manager either didn’t have a say in/didn’t want/doesn’t think is ready for the first team.

Only a small fee but again, like Washington, Ugochuwku, Fofana, to name a few….. What is the likelihood of seeing him playing for us in 2/3 seasons? 

Andreas Perreira signing would be absolutely hilarious also. Not a bad player but another KDH level, not an improvement on what we already have and never will be.

Edited July 18, 2024 by OneMoSalah

[robsblubot 3,595]

2 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Where exactly did I mention that?

Any 18yo successful goalies you remember?  I'll go one better for you, Donnaruma at 16-17 years of age -Gianluigi Donnarumma - Detailed stats | Transfermarkt

Do you want me to debunk any more theories?

Each player ought to be assessed appropriately. But it feels like a cop-out to me to pick and choose how to judge someone based on their age, price tag, position, or whatever league they play in.

Did I not mention Haaland? If you are truly prepared to keep to the topic at hand, I'm happy to have any discussion on it. Please direct me to the people who are requesting "too much" from Guiu.

That's my point exactly. It's how *rare* it is to find elite players who delivered at such young age U20, in the case of our specific player, 18 years old. I wrote the folks have unrealistic expectations with very young players, which is the post you replied to.

Haaland was 21 when he joined City, and is 23yo now.

It's pointless to discuss theories when we disagree on facts: what a U20 player is, for example.

 

[LAM09 7,072]

17 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

So another club signing who the manager either didn’t have a say in/didn’t want/doesn’t think is ready for the first team.

Only a small fee but again, like Washington, Ugochuwku, Fofana, to name a few….. What is the likelihood of seeing him playing for us in 2/3 seasons? 

Andreas Perreira signing would be absolutely hilarious also. Not a bad player but another KDH level, not an improvement on what we already have and never will be.

As much as people don't like being told it, we're making a lot of moves similar to those of a midtable side. If we are banking on Estevao, Paez, etc. to take us to the next level in 3+ years, we could be in major trouble.

10 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

That's my point exactly. It's how *rare* it is to find elite players who delivered at such young age U20, in the case of our specific player, 18 years old. I wrote the folks have unrealistic expectations with very young players, which is the post you replied to.

Haaland was 21 when he joined City, and is 23yo now.

It's pointless to discuss theories when we disagree on facts: what a U20 player is, for example.

 

Although you act as though they don't, they do. Once more, I've been reading exactly the same posts that you have, and I haven't come across anyone who believes that Guiu would solve all of our problems—like our CF problems, for instance.

I brought up Haaland as a U20 athlete. Check out his Dortmund & Salzburg stats. This is the problem with you selectively choosing the information that you feel is appropriate for you.

Best to leave this pointless discussion as is.

Edited July 18, 2024 by LAM09

[Mário César 1,346]

what a boring transfer window, tbh

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