Chelsea Transfers

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

1 hour ago, bigbluewillie said:

Arsenal will demand £50m from Chelsea for Folarin Balogun after the Blues sounded out the United States striker, 22, over a move to Stamford Bridge. (Evening Standard)

I know nothing of this guy other than he's a septic, but I don't think we want/need him and certainly not for £50M

So apparently the price will be higher for us as opposed to Monaco. But the whole selling to rival in same league etc.

What I don’t get is why Arteta isn’t keeping him ahead of Nketiah who is a worse player….

[ulvhedin 507]

9 hours ago, Vesper said:

Of course he lacks both, but if you look at my initial post, I said he lacks

'Somthing that cannot be taught'

Techical skills can be taught and/or improved via instruction.

actually I thik the lacks some basics in technique that is not able to learn at this stage of his career 😉

[Duppy Conqueror 1,494]

Kudus would fill the role of what I think we looking for,a utility forward.for the front 3-4. Poch appears to rate broja highly enough that he doesn't want to risk buying someone that will effectively push him towards an exit.but we need someone who can cover him or Jackson when they are unavailable whilst being able to cover and potentially start at other positions,Kudus ticks all those boxes (as did Brennan Johnson) and to a lesser extent Barcola.

Cherki has some Zola in him,his ceiling is higher than Kudus..doubts remain in his work ethic,ability or willingness to press etc.. But we could with our signings this season let our front players have more freedom to focus on being creative.so what if defenders have more time on the ball when they are 90-70 yards from goal when their midfield is being smothered. When teams "park the bus" against us Cherki type is what we need to get through it.

Edited August 23, 2023 by Duppy Conqueror

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The one transfer I am really disappointed didn't happen is Dybala. Would have been perfect, if fit. Any chance we can do something with Lukaku for him, or has this ship sailed?

[Vesper 28,786]

2 hours ago, ulvhedin said:

actually I thik the lacks some basics in technique that is not able to learn at this stage of his career 😉

all the more reason to cash in (he is pure profit as well)

[SomethingSomething 17]

8 hours ago, Gundalf said:

Am I the only one who misses this ability at Chelsea? I feel like these modern footballers cant really shoot anymore. It helps u so much against low blocks. 

Midfielders nowdays are so expensive and they dont provide half of what midfielders used to. U have bunch of talented players who get good season and odd goal and then they crumble under pressure because they could never score goals on regular basis like Lamps, Gerrard etc. 

IMO coaching system is now different. They dont allow midfielders to take a shot, but rather keep possesion until a clear chance occurs, hence strikers with half ability (Lukaku, Immobile,...) compared to older strikers (Drogba, Henry, Raul,...) actualy score more. 

IMO only quality strikers that can be compared to older players were Suarez, Lewa and Benzema. In late 2000, 2005, you had a striker of that quality in almost every top team if not two (Del Piero, Trezeguet).

Haaland is amazing at scoring goals, but the dude has zero elegance or technique, a glorified Inzaghi. 

[Vegetable 830]

9 hours ago, Gundalf said:

Am I the only one who misses this ability at Chelsea? I feel like these modern footballers cant really shoot anymore. It helps u so much against low blocks. 

Was thinking about pretty much this lately; Isn't it more of sign of times as this kind of football is not muh beautiful footy and it's almost a shame for top tier clubs to attempt long shots or longer passes via air as it's so old timey? Top football pretty much went for Klopp-ized tiki-taka, full speed, full press, short passes, trying to walk the ball into net. Much less wastefull though, as you don't really do shots not on target anymore. And very little number of players is allowed to attempt anything outside the system.

Edited August 23, 2023 by Vegetable

[Pizy 18,368]

Whoever we bring in now is going to be hugely overpriced due to how late in the window it is. So with that in mind we 100% need to make it a player we think has an extremely high ceiling and have a super high confidence won’t underwhelm. We can’t afford another mega high priced bust in attacking positions. It’s straight up embarrassing just how long it’s been since we bought an attacking player that lived up to the hype before they joined us. Literally all of our rivals have bought hyped up forwards who have come in and killed it for their new clubs. Whereas every time we do they become scared little children who melt under the spotlight almost overnight.

Kudus is the safest bet to instantly fit into the PL and into Poch’s style for me. But Cherki would be the one I’d be most excited about because I think his potential is the biggest. A player who can produce moments of Hazard-like magic out of nothing. Balogun would be extremely underwhelming and we’d probably have to essentially give Arse all the money back that they gave us for Havertz when we ripped them off there. 

Sadly, the Cherki rumors don't have any actual reporting behind them. It’s just random Chelsea Twitter users trying to wish it into happening. 

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

9 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Was thinking about pretty much this lately; Isn't it more of sign of times as this kind of football is not muh beautiful footy and it's almost a shame for top tier clubs to attempt long shots or longer passes via air as it's so old timey? Top football pretty much went for Klopp-ized tiki-taka, full speed, full press, short passes, trying to walk the ball into net. Much less wastefull though, as you don't really do shots not on target anymore. And very little number of players is allowed to attempt anything outside the system.

 

19 minutes ago, SomethingSomething said:

Midfielders nowdays are so expensive and they dont provide half of what midfielders used to. U have bunch of talented players who get good season and odd goal and then they crumble under pressure because they could never score goals on regular basis like Lamps, Gerrard etc. 

IMO coaching system is now different. They dont allow midfielders to take a shot, but rather keep possesion until a clear chance occurs, hence strikers with half ability (Lukaku, Immobile,...) compared to older strikers (Drogba, Henry, Raul,...) actualy score more. 

IMO only quality strikers that can be compared to older players were Suarez, Lewa and Benzema. In late 2000, 2005, you had a striker of that quality in almost every top team if not two (Del Piero, Trezeguet).

Haaland is amazing at scoring goals, but the dude has zero elegance or technique, a glorified Inzaghi. 

I think you are both on point. Tactical ability has improved for all areas of the pitch on average but also this as limited strikers and midfielders expressing themselves. Hence we don’t see as many individual goals from these like those great long range strikers and runs through the middle. All is a bit less risk, more pace intensity and closing down, positional pressing etc. Attacking game is more reliant on wide players like wing backs, wingers, wide attacking midfielders or isnide forwards nowadays. More space out wide and less risk after turnovers. Footballers have probably become more athletic and tactically adept but also less independent, more predictable and risk-averse. It is a logical development. After all it’s a team sport. But we see with our squad when it goes too far towards that extreme. 

[Vesper 28,786]

Chelsea

https://thedailybriefing.io/i/136327338/Chelsea

• Chelsea like Brennan Johnson but he’s not a priority - full details here.

• There have been reports of some inside being Chelsea being frustrated by Hall’s departure - more info on that here.

• Chelsea remain desperate to sell Romelu Lukaku - more from Ben Jacobs here.

• Chelsea will complete Djordje Petrovic deal this week, an agreement in place as revealed yesterday.

• Deivid Washington already completed medical tests at Chelsea — it’s about final documents, formal steps then the Brazilian striker will be unveiled as a new Chelsea player. Santos will receive €16m fixed fee plus €4m add-ons.

• Carney Chukwuemeka sustained an injury to his left knee — and he already underwent surgery. Chelsea expect Carney to be our for six weeks.

[Reddish-Blue 2,347]

1 hour ago, SomethingSomething said:

Haaland is amazing at scoring goals, but the dude has zero elegance or technique, a glorified Inzaghi. 

The same Inzaghi who never scored 20 league goals in any season for AC Milan? 

I agree with the rest of your points about midfielders of previous decades having the whole package whereas nowadays there are many midfielders with limited skill sets (either they are good at defense or they are good at attacking/set piece situations etc) but to say Haaland is just a glorified Inzaghi is a poor comparison. 

 

[Reddish-Blue 2,347]

5 hours ago, DDA said:

Am I the only one who looks at Kudus and thinks he isn't that great at all? I'd rather Cherki tbh, he reminds me of Mata.

The sad part for Kudus was that he had the Brighton transfer sealed (their bid was accepted by Ajax) but they wouldn't agree to a release clause in his contract and the deal was off.  Wonder if he spoke to Caicedo at all? 

[Vesper 28,786]

I am (obviously) and have been pushing hard for Kudus (especially now with the injuries)

but not buying him will not gut me like our passing on Tchou did

that fucking did me in 😔

[Pizy 18,368]

The only concern about the Kudus possibility is that Ajax have seemingly raised the price considerably as the window has gone on. I remember in the beginning of the summer there was talk about under £30m or something. Now they’re rejecting bids of over £40m from West Ham I think? So that means when Chelsea get involved we’ll probably get quoted £55m or something. 

[Vesper 28,786]

14 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

The sad part for Kudus was that he had the Brighton transfer sealed (their bid was accepted by Ajax) but they wouldn't agree to a release clause in his contract and the deal was off.  Wonder if he spoke to Caicedo at all? 

Brighton is now a massive hardball playing team when it comes to transfers

and it seems to be working for them

I do not think they are losing one wink of sleep over the Kudus deal blowing up, not one

they have their template and they refuse to deviate from it

hats off to them (grudgingly, as they have fucked us 6 ways to Sunday, and we also are to blame for a lot of it, they saw a mark in Boehly and played him like a fiddle)

Edited August 23, 2023 by Vesper

[Vesper 28,786]

KK was just an rookie mistake, and we did not lose that much money (thank fuck)

I am sure the fact that Thiago was far older and is still near WC played a role

and

Auba did not cost much, and was just another gamble on an older, ex WC player (like KK), auba was a bit of a monster at Barca for a nice spell, so easy to see why be bought him

so fine there, easy to forgive those 2 (at least their is for me)

BUT

these 2:

Marc Cucurella    (I NEVER rated him, he always look shit or basically bog standard to me) 

Wesley Fofana  (NEVER BUY a massively injured player until they have two full seasons at the level they were at (or better) before the injury 

were just INSANELY stupid, crazy expensive buys

plus potentially (not remotely there yet to the point where I call him a perma bust)

Mykhaylo Mudryk  

combine that with Rom buy under Roman

and those 3 (or 4, if Muddy does end up a bust) are just KILLING is now

plus the Tchou pass

 

we should ABSOLUTELY have

Osimhen (from Lille or even after either of his first two seasons at Napoli)

Tchou (2021 summer disaster pass/refusal to buy)

Ousmane Dembélé (so many times we could have signed him from Barca, grrrr)

Nuno Mendes (only cost PSG a £32.5m transfer fee, after a £6m loan fee)

and

Skriniar

on our team NOW 

none of them would have cost outrageous money at all if we bought them when I was saying to buy them over the past several years (and we deffo had the money to do so, look at the insane amounts we shit away on others I said do not buy)
 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Vesper

[Vesper 28,786]

35 minutes ago, Pizy said:

summer there was talk about under £30m or something.

they said €40m for ages

and yes, they are fucking playing games now

fuck them

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