Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 30,298]

3 hours ago, Stats said:

Mendy made mistakes last season however we can't say categorically that Pope was better than him. A lot of the names you mentioned are not even playing for Newcastle. Isak only scored 6 league goals last season. Wilson is good but again injury prone and has inconsistent patches himself. Basically what is getting Newcastle where they are is not individual quality (bar Almiron asides) but a team spirit.

again I never said we should pursue them

but what I was saying is that I (at the beginning of the season) for sure would have taken (all things being equal) those players listed over the players I compared them too

we had SHIT for CFs

Auba?? Come on, Broja? Never have been sold and that was pre injury

I already explained KK (and for SURE, due to the cash, Fofana) v Botman

Bruno is a no brainer

and I long ago fell off the Mendy bandwagon, he was a one season wonder

Kepa was a crazy bad mistake, all because Marina stupidly thought that she could twist Cuntois' arm into renewing (this was during 2016/17 season, which should have been his last one with us), so instead of selling him THE YEAR BEFORE we ended up doing so to Real Madrid (they would have paid 80m-90m plus for him in summer 2017) and buying Alisson (that was when he was still only part time with Roma) or Oblak (whose release clause was then €20m less than it is now) in that 2017 summer window.

Edited January 11, 2023 by Vesper

[Strike 7,533]

40 minutes ago, Stats said:

Mendy made mistakes last season however we can't say categorically that Pope was better than him. A lot of the names you mentioned are not even playing for Newcastle. Isak only scored 6 league goals last season. Wilson is good but again injury prone and has inconsistent patches himself. Basically what is getting Newcastle where they are is not individual quality (bar Almiron asides) but a team spirit.

You're right. Chelsea can't operate in the same way as Newcastle but there is a case for waiting to invest in the right player in the market than looking for immediate fixes. Club signed Koulibaly and Auba in the summer and are now replacing them in six months. The new signing Felix is a 6 month loan deal on big wages, very high loan fee with no option to buy. We will be back to the same situation in summer 2023.

 

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7 hours ago, Mário César said:

enzo celebrates its goal with a gesture that seems "I will stay"

well he will not come to Chelsea

tbh don't bother me because lets face the true, 130M€ is a insane fee of money

Im happy that Chelsea will not go forward with this madness deal 

I am curious about one thing with all those saying Enzo at 100m was way too much - What would be your midfield signing(s) ?

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31 minutes ago, Strike said:

I am curious about one thing with all those saying Enzo at 100m was way too much - What would be your midfield signing(s) ?

It's just coping mechanism for us fucking up the deal, I'm pretty sure most are aware this guy was special and was worth it.

Edited January 11, 2023 by TheHulk

[Reddish-Blue 2,516]

1 hour ago, TheHulk said:

It's just coping mechanism for us fucking up the deal, I'm pretty sure most are aware this guy was special and was worth it.

It's actually not a coping mechanism, he's not worth 120 million yet. 

1 hour ago, Strike said:

I am curious about one thing with all those saying Enzo at 100m was way too much - What would be your midfield signing(s) ?

That depends upon whether we keep our existing midfield trio (Jorginho, Kante, Kovacic) or not. 

I'm more curious as to whether you actually believe splashing 120 million on a single player (who hasn't actually proven anything at club level) will somehow elevate Chelsea back into the top 4 fight?

We have significant holes and issues all over the squad.  You look at GK, question marks over Mendy & Kepa.  You look at RB, Azpi is well and truly cooked and teams will continue to target him on that flank.  You look at midfield, we need a new Kante.     You look at the attacking roles, we need a clean out.  

Right now our squad is no better than 8th place and if you honestly believe a combination of Auba, Havertz, Pulisic & Ziyech will somehow get us to 6th place in the league, the best thing to do would be: wake up from your dream. 

[Antonio8 736]

On 09/01/2023 at 17:57, gdlk said:

The whole transfer is ridiculous.. Mount, Havertz and Felix for 1 spot.. Good luck with the piece in dressing room

Felix can play also as number 9

 

[TheHulk 2,510]

1 hour ago, Reddish-Blue said:

It's actually not a coping mechanism, he's not worth 120 million yet. 

That depends upon whether we keep our existing midfield trio (Jorginho, Kante, Kovacic) or not. 

I'm more curious as to whether you actually believe splashing 120 million on a single player (who hasn't actually proven anything at club level) will somehow elevate Chelsea back into the top 4 fight?

We have significant holes and issues all over the squad.  You look at GK, question marks over Mendy & Kepa.  You look at RB, Azpi is well and truly cooked and teams will continue to target him on that flank.  You look at midfield, we need a new Kante.     You look at the attacking roles, we need a clean out.  

Right now our squad is no better than 8th place and if you honestly believe a combination of Auba, Havertz, Pulisic & Ziyech will somehow get us to 6th place in the league, the best thing to do would be: wake up from your dream. 

You will convince yourself he was worth it next season when City or United get him if not now.

Also last I know a combination of Havertz, Pulisic and Ziyech finished Top 4 back to back. 

[didi007 69]

6 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

You will convince yourself he was worth it next season when City or United get him if not now.

Also last I know a combination of Havertz, Pulisic and Ziyech finished Top 4 back to back. 

It beggars belief people still think these same players who also won the Champions league and Super cup are suddenly bad players? With the right coaching these players are some of the best in the PL.

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1 hour ago, Reddish-Blue said:

It's actually not a coping mechanism, he's not worth 120 million yet. 

That depends upon whether we keep our existing midfield trio (Jorginho, Kante, Kovacic) or not. 

I'm more curious as to whether you actually believe splashing 120 million on a single player (who hasn't actually proven anything at club level) will somehow elevate Chelsea back into the top 4 fight?

We have significant holes and issues all over the squad.  You look at GK, question marks over Mendy & Kepa.  You look at RB, Azpi is well and truly cooked and teams will continue to target him on that flank.  You look at midfield, we need a new Kante.     You look at the attacking roles, we need a clean out.  

Right now our squad is no better than 8th place and if you honestly believe a combination of Auba, Havertz, Pulisic & Ziyech will somehow get us to 6th place in the league, the best thing to do would be: wake up from your dream. 

Its been clear for more than a year that we have to upgrade in midfield. It is an area of the squad we haven't invested in since 2018 when Jorgi and Kova were signed. If we're spending heavy on any position right now, it has to be CM.

I don't see people suggesting alternatives to Enzo. Rice is quoted at 80m and he is an inferior player, especially when he'll be in a bigger team with more of the ball. Have read Moises Caicedo quoted at 70m.

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3 minutes ago, didi007 said:

It beggars belief people still think these same players who also won the Champions league and Super cup are suddenly bad players? With the right coaching these players are some of the best in the PL.

Fans coming up with all kind of excuses to shield Potter for being poor. This squad isn't great and injuries also didn't help the situation but even so we should be better than Brighton. Under Tuchel we were creating chances each match, this season under Potter we have 3 times as less big chances compared to last season.

[Special Juan 28,187]

Felix is at Cobham now, announcement soon me thinks.

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[Superblue 6,372]

41 minutes ago, didi007 said:

It beggars belief people still think these same players who also won the Champions league and Super cup are suddenly bad players? With the right coaching these players are some of the best in the PL.

In fairness we've limped into the Champions League spots the last 2 seasons.

We caught a bounce off Tuchel coming in and even then proceeded to try to throw it away and needed other teams to do us a favour on the final day because we couldn't do it ourselves.

Then last season we were fortunate we started the season so strongly like we have regularly done in the past because from December onwards the season completely nosedived and we barely clung on to top 4. 

If we're all being honest with ourselves this run of form has been coming and arguably is just carrying on since last December. Not sure of the stats but the second half of last season under Tuchel probably has us in about 8th-10th position in the league too.

All of them offer the same problem - great on their day but their day comes once every 4 or 5 games, or a patch of form every 3 or 4 months. They're not helped by the midfield issues and our full backs being crocked more often than not for the last year but even in Tuchel's first 12 months here they were all like that then too. The consistency and mentality of the group as a whole is a massive problem.

[Vesper 30,298]

4 hours ago, Strike said:

I am curious about one thing with all those saying Enzo at 100m was way too much - What would be your midfield signing(s) ?

yep, everyone's a critic yet repeatedly I have asked numerous other posters who they would go for (and not just about Enzo either) in terms of players we are not linked with and/or are blowing off and................

[Vesper 30,298]

3 hours ago, TheHulk said:

 

get this done ASAP!!!!

[Vesper 30,298]

I am NOT going to go negative on the Felix deal right out of the blocks

let's see what the lad can do

I do not get Auba vibes off this move

[milka 3,396]

[Pizy 18,994]

Enzo deal absolutely has the feel that he’s going to end up at a PL rival and haunt us for years to come now. My guess is either Liverpool or United.

So unless we somehow rebuild the bridge with Benfica and pay the release clause this month this could be one of the worst mistakes we’ve ever made. And after the angry reaction from their coach and last night’s defiant celebration from Enzo himself I’m guessing this is 100% dead forever. 

That quote from last week that I’m not sure was accurate or not from the Benfica President really annoyed me and stuck out because it’s sadly where we find ourselves now. That Enzo should wait until the summer for “a more organized and higher level club” or something like that. Normally, a move from Benfica to Chelsea would be considered a massive step up but we’re in such a mess now that other clubs view us as a place to avoid.

[Jype 6,398]

2 hours ago, Antonio8 said:

Felix can play also as number 9

He can, but he's not great at it.

And there in lies the problem. Multiple players who can play multiple positions but none of them can play the role they're best at, Mount and Havertz especially.