Vesper 30,224 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 I cannot believe we are going to sign a fucking dwarf and possibly for 70m euros we are going to get flayed alive in the air and he is rash, and not solid at times positionally, I saw people compare him to BARESI ffs anyone who thinks that is on serious pills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) Personally i prefer Timber instead of Kounde. Edited May 19, 2022 by Blues Forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said: No doubt the system is suited to our personnel and he deserves a lot of credit for that as I don't think many Chelsea fans saw our future post Lampard being a wing back formation. Regarding the defensive and attacking player balance though, at our strongest our attacking players do become comparable because I'd argue Chilwell and James become as important as attacking outlets in our team very much in the same way Liverpool's attack would be viewed mainly as the front 3 and the full backs. The lack of athleticism and pace in Alonso and Azpi when Chilwell and James have been absent so much this season has no doubt been a huge blow to the balance in the team. The biggest difference is could we sacrifice a defender for a midfielder. That depends on the centre backs in our team being able to play in a back 4 and potentially have to match up man to man at times. Until we bring new defenders in this summer, realistically we only have Thiago Silva with the experience and current ability to play in a back 4 and he's 38 in September. I would like the potential to play 4-3-3, as I think as and when we move on from Jorginho and Kante, we have a crop of midfielders who are probably all suited in different circumstances and skill sets to play as 2 number 8's (I include the likes of Mount, Gallagher and RLC all in this bracket) and just need a true holding midfielder to sit behind them and screen the centre backs. Ultimately this is all going to boil down to Tuchel. He'll have somewhat of a fresh start this summer with some of the players leaving or likely to leave and I think he has the option to choose to go either way long term. Why do we have to move away from Jorginho and Kante to play 4-3-3? Jorginho has played in that formation for the vast majority of his career. At this stage of their career they would benefit from that move, I am a huge fan of 4-3-3, it is no coincidence that Barca dominated football with the same formation, Madrid dominance began when they played with 3 midfielders, and currently City and Pool are dominating the league with the same formation. Edited May 19, 2022 by Clockwork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Clockwork said: Why do we have to move away from Jorginho and Kante to play 4-3-3? Jorginho has played in that formation for the vast majority of his career. Both have played there but I think they are both better suited to playing in a 2. If we were to trade in a defender for an extra midfielder or a more offensive minded player, I would prefer someone more mobile and athletic to screen the centre backs. Jorginho reads the game very well but if he's left exposed like he has been in the past before Tuchel, it can leave the team extremely open especially to being counter attacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: Both have played there but I think they are both better suited to playing in a 2. If we were to trade in a defender for an extra midfielder or a more offensive minded player, I would prefer someone more mobile and athletic to screen the centre backs. Jorginho reads the game very well but if he's left exposed like he has been in the past before Tuchel, it can leave the team extremely open especially to being counter attacked. Jorginho is more exposed in a double pivot, arguably his best performance came from a midfield three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Blues Forever said: Jorginho is more exposed in a double pivot, arguably his best performance came from a midfield three. He's not as exposed in a double pivot in this system. For me, especially in some of the bigger games, his best performances have been under Tuchel whilst at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 20 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: He's not as exposed in a double pivot in this system. For me, especially in some of the bigger games, his best performances have been under Tuchel whilst at the club. I say Jorginho performances with Italy during Euro was better than under Tuchel. He had more freedom and protected in a midfield three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Boubacar Kamara transfer news: Villa threaten rival by dwarfing their offer for departing star https://www.teamtalk.com/aston-villa/boubacar-kamara-transfer-news-villa-threaten-rival-by-dwarving-their-offer-for-departing-star Aston Villa have reportedly positioned themselves at the front of the queue to sign Boubacar Kamara by tabling a huge offer for the departing Marseille midfielder. The 22-year-old star has been a regular in the Marseille side for the past four seasons, making 146 appearances during that time. But having rejected the offer of a new deal, he will likely leave as a free agent this summer. That has, predictably, seen the former France U21 star linked with a plethora of clubs. Manchester United and Leeds were both among the eary suitors, but the pair have both eased away from a prospective deal for various reasons. Newcastle are also seemingly among his suitors. However, the strongest Premier League interest has come from Aston Villa. To that end, Villa boss Steven Gerrard is reported to have watched the player in person with a potential swoop in mind. However, they appeared to only be second favourites for his signature, with reports in Spain last week tipping Atletico Madrid to secure his signature. Villa, though, are refusing to back down. As such AS claims the Midlands club are positioning themselves strongly in the chase. They state Villa are a serious ‘threat’ to Atleti’s plans, having ‘put more money on the table’ for the player. Whether that will be enough to tempt him to move to Villa Park, however, remains to be seen. Atletico Madrid are currently third in LaLiga and are guaranteed a top four finish. And that will mean Kamara would have to turn his back on Champions League football were he to join Villa. Villa ready to spend this summer Gerrard has stressed though that he is keen to strengthen Villa’s spine this summer. To that end, the signing of Kamara would tick plenty of boxes for Villa. “There are areas of the team where we are blessed and lucky to have some top talent. But there are also areas where we believe we can get stronger and better,” he said. “I think the spine of the team needs some support. “We have got enough volume here. We have got enough bodies here. I don’t need quantity. I am looking for upgrades in certain areas of the team, who will naturally make the squad better.” Gerrard appeal may not be enough for Boubacar Kamara Despite Gerrard’s best efforts, he may find himself missing out on a deal for Kamara. The capture of a new tough-tackling midfielder is clearly high on Gerrard’s agenda. It’s for that reason why Villa are also being strongly linked with a move for Kalvin Phillips. The Villa boss has a massive aura about him. And he’s the kind of manager who, as a player, you would want to play for. And it’s clear that Aston Villa will be upwardly mobile under his management next season. However, despite his charisma and the obvious appeal of the Premier League, Villa are unable to offer European football to would-be signings. And not only can Atletico offer Kamara that, they are also able to challenge strongly for trophies too. There may yet be a surprise with Boubacar Kamara opting for Villa if he feels his chances of playing are served better there. However, Villa may need to re-visit other targets, such as Brighton’s Yves Bissouma, if they are to land that new central midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 It is true that Koulibaly likes Barcelona and is on their list, other clubs like Chelsea also interested in him. De Laurentiis doesn't want to lose Koulibaly for free and will ask around €30m - €40m. Vesper and Fernando 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MoroccanBlue 5,385 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Very difficult to lure players out of Italy. Comfortable and beautiful lifestyle. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,448 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Koundes only 5 10 ? Hmm. That does not make him a necessarily bad defender, but I hope he has a good leap like Puyol. Else., this could be a disaster in some of the league games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,279 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 22 minutes ago, Blue Armour said: Koundes only 5 10 ? Hmm. That does not make him a necessarily bad defender, but I hope he has a good leap like Puyol. Else., this could be a disaster in some of the league games. Not necessarily, when did it become only centre half's that defend with headers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,952 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 54 minutes ago, Blue Armour said: Koundes only 5 10 ? Hmm. That does not make him a necessarily bad defender, but I hope he has a good leap like Puyol. Else., this could be a disaster in some of the league games. He is short for a CB but he’s super powerful. He’s built a lot like Reece James. I wouldn’t be worried about his corner defending ability. Would be nice for our other CB buy to have some height, however. Though if we buy Gvardiol he’s not tall, either. Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Blues Forever said: It is true that Koulibaly likes Barcelona and is on their list, other clubs like Chelsea also interested in him. De Laurentiis doesn't want to lose Koulibaly for free and will ask around €30m - €40m. at around £25-30m for him would be a steal he has at least 2, 3 great years left IMHO he was a beast this year at the age of 30 CB's, CF's (in some cases) and GKers (obviously) are the exception to my '30yo' rule look at Thiago, Benz, Lewa, VVD, Matip (had a better year than VVD IMHO), Stefan de Vrij, Simon Kjaer (pre season-ending injury), Craig Dawson (massive part of West Ham this season at 32yo) etc etc Edited May 20, 2022 by Vesper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,448 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Kong said: Not necessarily, when did it become only centre half's that defend with headers? Yes. Not necessarily. And where did I say it was only up to CBs to defend headers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, Blue Armour said: Yes. Not necessarily. And where did I say it was only up to CBs to defend headers? I have watched A LOT of full games and also extended highlights with Kounde. Posted some here. He is too often a liability in the air on crosses and free kicks. and he often has poor positioning. He is a ball watcher. Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,819 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 I am always suspicious when it is not a quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,448 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 36 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said: I am always suspicious when it is not a quote. Can't even find the guardian article online. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 We all know Pulisic isn't the answer. He never was. He showed glimpses of another level to his game against Liverpool that one time... he has scored some important goals but he will never be what we expect. He is too fragile and doesn't have the IT FACTOR. We need absolute killers in attack. Hashishi and Fernando 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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