NikkiCFC 8,331 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said: In list of priorities next summer, the two who are undoubtedly on the top of it are both LB Borna Sosa and DM Aurélien Tchouaméni Sosa is just flavor of the month. If we bought these before we would end up with Icardi, Pepe, Belotti, Bailey, Sancho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 37 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Sosa is just flavor of the month. If we bought these before we would end up with Icardi, Pepe, Belotti, Bailey, Sancho... Except you just brought up attackers. Sosa ticks so many boxes for what we want in a LWB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,331 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Except you just brought up attackers. Sosa ticks so many boxes for what we want in a LWB. But we are going away from WBs. Would be shocked if we play with WBs next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, NikkiCFC said: But we are going away from WBs. Would be shocked if we play with WBs next season. What evidence suggests Tuchel will simply abandon a winning system? If anything we have seen he will start balancing the 343 alongside a 4222. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,207 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 7 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: Sosa is just flavor of the month. If we bought these before we would end up with Icardi, Pepe, Belotti, Bailey, Sancho... I have been tracking him for 4 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,207 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) Next big-5 league stars https://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp366/en/ Issue number 366 of the CIES Football Observatory Weekly Post presents the 100 players born in 2002 or after active in 31 European leagues outside of the big-5 with the highest InStat Index. The latter takes into consideration footballers’ pitch production depending on position played (centre back, winger, etc.) and the general level of the matches in which they participated. The greatest score overall was recorded for AFC Ajax’s Ryan Gravenberch. Among midfielders, the Dutch talent ranks ahead Arsen Zakharyan (Dinamo Moscow) and Fábio Carvalho (Fulham). Running out contract, the latter is being courted by several major teams. The highest InStat Index for full backs was recorded for another AFC Ajax player who is attracting interest from clubs in the big-5: the 19-year-old Devyne Rensch. The best score for other positions were measured for Oliver Dovin (Hammarby IF) among goalkeepers, Ilya Zabarnyi (Dynamo Kiev) for centre backs and Jakub Kamiński (Lech Poznań) among forwards. Akinkunmi Amoo (Hammarby) and Sebastiano Esposito (Basel, on loan from Inter) complete the podium for strikers. The InStat Index for players from 36 European leagues is accessible for free in this exclusive tool. More information is available on demand. Highest InStat index for U20 players active in 31 European leagues outside of the big-5 Players born in 2002 or after, at least 450 domestic league minutes, season 2021 or 2021/22 (until 16/01). Edited February 1, 2022 by Vesper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NikkiCFC 8,331 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 20 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said: What evidence suggests Tuchel will simply abandon a winning system? If anything we have seen he will start balancing the 343 alongside a 4222. Would not call it a winning system. TT is here 67 games so far, CL last season was just 7. We struggle big time and results are the reason why he should change formation. And I never expected 3atb to be long term. Last couple of weeks suggest we are in direction of change. Also Tuchels history as well. 20 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said: Except you just brought up attackers. You have examples for defenders as well. Grimaldo and Gaya are still in their shitty teams and many wanted them here. Telles was number one target for majority for years and how is he doing in United? So Sosa doing good in Germany means nothing. And now I remember another name mentioned here years ago - full back from Bundesliga. Lazaro was doing great in Hertha, Inter bought him and now he is on like 3rd loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Would not call it a winning system. TT is here 67 games so far, CL last season was just 7. We struggle big time and results are the reason why he should change formation. And I never expected 3atb to be long term. Last couple of weeks suggest we are in direction of change. Also Tuchels history as well. We struggled a lot with results because injuries - notably to Chilwell and James - and COVID all happened at the same time. Because we didn't have our two main WBs and the alternatives were so far off, Tuchel had to try something different and reverse the slide (it wasn't that long ago that we were steamrolling teams, notably Juventus with the back 3 that had Chilwell and James). Hence the use of the back 4 in the recent games but a lot of those decent performances came against a Spurs side whose manager has kept on moaning about not being at the same level as us while the other one was a poor performance at Brighton. Am sure it was also not lost on you that Tuchel reverted to the back 3 against City in between them. So the change to the back 4 hasn't exactly been a grand success and not set in stone either. Don't know why people like to obsess over formation so much to the point where people make it and results seem mutually exclusive. Tuchel has a history of playing with the back 4 but hey ho, he unexpectedly played the back 3 the second he got the job. If anything, Tuchel has shown that he's not wedded to a single system and that he's pragmatic enough to adapt (some times to the detriment of the team). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Athetlic reporting we are working on a summer deal for Dembele. Even on a free this is such a stupid signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,492 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Athetlic reporting we are working on a summer deal for Dembele. Even on a free this is such a stupid signing. But Chelsea have put in some groundwork to perhaps bring Dembele to the club later in the year, although it will still take at least one of the forward group to leave to make room for him. This is what they published. Not a lot of certainty there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,819 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Athetlic reporting we are working on a summer deal for Dembele. Even on a free this is such a stupid signing. There are better options available for less money. It makes no sense at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,331 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Jase said: We struggled a lot with results because injuries - notably to Chilwell and James - and COVID all happened at the same time. Because we didn't have our two main WBs and the alternatives were so far off, Tuchel had to try something different and reverse the slide (it wasn't that long ago that we were steamrolling teams, notably Juventus with the back 3 that had Chilwell and James). Hence the use of the back 4 in the recent games but a lot of those decent performances came against a Spurs side whose manager has kept on moaning about not being at the same level as us while the other one was a poor performance at Brighton. Am sure it was also not lost on you that Tuchel reverted to the back 3 against City in between them. So the change to the back 4 hasn't exactly been a grand success and not set in stone either. Don't know why people like to obsess over formation so much to the point where people make it and results seem mutually exclusive. Tuchel has a history of playing with the back 4 but hey ho, he unexpectedly played the back 3 the second he got the job. If anything, Tuchel has shown that he's not wedded to a single system and that he's pragmatic enough to adapt (some times to the detriment of the team). Would not say it, it is just because James and Chilwell because league wise we are pretty much the same as last season. Our attackers are struggling big time from day one and without that changing I cannot see us move to higher level. Rudiger, James, Silva and Chilwell cannot score every game. Back 4 will be grand success when we get Tcho and Conor back. And play attacking players on right positions. We lost FA Cup final against inferior side Would not win Super Cup and would already be out in Carabao Cup without Kepa and pens (we draw all these games) 2nd place in CL group this season Even in the league we got top4 last season but 38 points in half season is on a track to 76 full season which is nothing special really just like this season. So like I said CL campaign aside from last season we are not really that good. And for me personally we are not playing good football with focusing on defenders to score goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 41 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Would not say it, it is just because James and Chilwell because league wise we are pretty much the same as last season. Our attackers are struggling big time from day one and without that changing I cannot see us move to higher level. Rudiger, James, Silva and Chilwell cannot score every game. But the change was clearly a reaction to the mounting injuries and COVID that we had. Otherwise, why didn't Tuchel play with a back 4 from day 1 this season? Whether or not Tuchel will stick with a back 4 remains to be seen. He could easily rotate between the two systems (which will present its own problems). The attackers struggling has more to do with how Tuchel has been using them. As much as they haven't been consistent, we have seen what we can do everyone is on it with the back 3. It's a case of getting the consistency out of them and that partly comes from Tuchel's management. 41 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Back 4 will be grand success when we get Tcho and Conor back. And play attacking players on right positions. So says NikkiCFC. We have tasted success and disappointment with the back 3 before. We have also tasted success and disappointment with the back 4 before. There's no foolproof system here. 41 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: We lost FA Cup final against inferior side The same inferior side also beat City in the Community Shield a few months later. It's also the same inferior side that we steamrolled back in November with the back 3. 41 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Would not win Super Cup and would already be out in Carabao Cup without Kepa and pens (we draw all these games) Villarreal are hardly a rubbish side and the Super Cup was also the first competitive game of the season, on the back of the Euros. Do you expect the team to be on fire from day 1? And we heavily rotated the XI in the Carabao Cup games... 41 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: 2nd place in CL group this season All because we lost the game at Juventus or the defence had a shit day in Zenit. 41 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Even in the league we got top4 last season but 38 points in half season is on a track to 76 full season which is nothing special really just like this season. In case you have forgotten about it, we have been scrapping for a Top 4 finish over the last few years - with a back 3 and with a back 4. So again, no system is foolproof here. Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,207 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) youth every player who will still be under 25yo a year from now who is worth £25m and up atm on T-Markt targets (even basically impossible Mbappe and Håland) in bold red are ones never linked to us or are on our team in any way that I know of (only 11, lol) Kylian Mbappé Erling Haaland Vinicius Junior Phil Foden Jadon Sancho Pedri Trent Alexander-Arnold Jude Bellingham Declan Rice Mason Mount Florian Wirtz Alphonso Davies Achraf Hakimi grrrrrrrr Dusan Vlahovic grrrrrrr Kai Havertz Bukayo Saka Federico Valverde Matthijs de Ligt Gianluigi Donnarumma Ansu Fati João Félix Jules Koundé Victor Osimhen Alessandro Bastoni Eduardo Camavinga grrrrrr Jamal Musiala grrrrr Reece James Dayot Upamecano Jonathan David Mason Greenwood (likely done with football for ages, probably for good) Dani Olmo Amine Gouiri Ferran Torres Moussa Diaby Christian Pulisic under £40m on T-Markt Giovanni Reyna Martin Ødegaard Gavi Nuno Mendes grrrrrrr Edmond Tapsoba Wesley Fofana Aurélien Tchouaméni Rodrygo Alexander Isak Pedro Gonçalves Emile Smith Rowe Antony Karim Adeyemi Pedro Neto Ronald Araújo Ryan Gravenberch Douglas Luiz Sandro Tonali Rafael Leão Cristian Romero £27m to £30m Nicolò Zaniolo Darwin Núñez Houssem Aouar Callum Hudson-Odoi Moise Kean Yéremy Pino Matheus Cunha Curtis Jones Dejan Kulusevski Jurrien Timber Sven Botman Ibrahima Konaté Donyell Malen Gabriel Martinelli Bryan Gil Benoît Badiashile Dominik Szoboszlai Evan Ndicka Boubakary Soumaré Merih Demiral Charles De Ketelaere Ismaïla Sarr Edited February 3, 2022 by Vesper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jernej93 569 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 What about PL proven players in smaller sides instead of some one season wonders from German, France... CB: Salisu, Coady LB: Cucurella, Ait Nouri, Thomas RB: Livramento* CM: Gallagher*, Rice, Bissouma RW/LW: Raphinha, Bowen, Sarr ST: Calvert Lewin, Broja* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calculatingInfinity 1,472 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Copenhagen registered Roony, who Chelsea are still scouting and been enquiring about, as part of their European team, over their record signing and so on. He's unbelievably interesting, I think he can go all the way in a couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,207 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, jernej93 said: What about PL proven players in smaller sides instead of some one season wonders from German, France... CB: Salisu, Coady LB: Cucurella, Ait Nouri, Thomas RB: Livramento* CM: Gallagher*, Rice, Bissouma RW/LW: Raphinha, Bowen, Sarr ST: Calvert Lewin, Broja* I wonder if the board is still waiting to see how Leonardo Spinazzola recovers from his Achilles tear if he had not gotten injured at the Euros, we would not be having any LB conversations (and he can, as a right footer who plays an inverted LB, play RB as well) the big downside with him (besides that huge injury) is that he turns 29yo on March 25th, so even if he somehow is fully fit by fall 2022, he will turn 30yo in his first season he was a monster the past 2 seasons before that injury, is big (1.86m) strong and pacey, and solid on defence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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