Chelsea Transfers

[Blues Forever 1,232]

I have the feeling we will go after Sule now.

[Tomo 21,733]

This is the one aspect I'm nervous about with Tuchel, his transfer record isn't particularly great.

[R2D2 368]

Assuming we get Lukaku, Sule, Rice and Traore will this be ranked as worse than 2017 summer or better? Can't decide.

[Jype 6,398]

10 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

Assuming we get Lukaku, Sule, Rice and Traore will this be ranked as worse than 2017 summer or better? Can't decide.

So you rate those players lower than Morata, Bakayoko, Drinkwater and Zappacosta? Okay mate.

[R2D2 368]

30 minutes ago, Jype said:

So you rate those players lower than Morata, Bakayoko, Drinkwater and Zappacosta? Okay mate.

Except Rice yes rate all of them the same but considering the money it would need to get him, he isn't a good deal either.

 

Lukaku 44 matches 30 goals 10 assists, 7 penalties, chances missed 19

Morata 44 matches 20 goals 12 assists, 2 penalties, chance missed 15 and this with Juventus playing the worst in years and him missing a bunch of sitters.

There really isn't much between those 2 it's just people blindly thinking the big guy has improved.

For the 100 mil paid for king donkey you get this guy

Sancho 38 matches 16 goals 20 assists and at least you know you buy top class.

 

Edited May 31, 2021 by R2D2

[Jype 6,398]

14 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

Lukaku 44 matches 30 goals 10 assists

Morata 44 matches 20 goals 12 assists and this with Juventus playing the worst in years and him missing a bunch of sitters.

There really isn't much between those 2 it's just people blindly thinking the big guy has improved.

What's the point of comparing Morata's stats from 2021 for Juventus to decide how good/bad a signing he was in 2017?

Morata in 2016/17 played 45 matches and had 18 goals and 5 assists for Real Madrid in all competitions. Even though Morata was a few years younger at the time, if you want to make a fair comparison those are the stats you need to compare 2021 Lukaku with.

Another comparison is Lukaku to this day has scored 160 league goals in the PL / Serie A. Morata is the same age and has scored 84 career league goals in La Liga / PL / Serie A. There's zero doubt that Lukaku is the much better player between those two, whether we're comparing their history or their current level.

[Pizy 18,506]

57 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

Assuming we get Lukaku, Sule, Rice and Traore will this be ranked as worse than 2017 summer or better? Can't decide.

For me that would be a great summer. We already have a great squad so don’t need to buy 5 world class players this summer. We need quality in a couple of areas and we’re a complete team. 
 

Anyone hoping we go out and buy a bunch of galacticos is going to be disappointed.

[R2D2 368]

26 minutes ago, Jype said:

What's the point of comparing Morata's stats from 2021 for Juventus to decide how good/bad a signing he was in 2017?

Morata in 2016/17 played 45 matches and had 18 goals and 5 assists for Real Madrid in all competitions. Even though Morata was a few years younger at the time, if you want to make a fair comparison those are the stats you need to compare 2021 Lukaku with.

Another comparison is Lukaku to this day has scored 160 league goals in the PL / Serie A. Morata is the same age and has scored 84 career league goals in La Liga / PL / Serie A. There's zero doubt that Lukaku is the much better player between those two, whether we're comparing their history or their current level.

He is marginally better than Morata that's what I'm trying to say, if Morata was trash for us don't expect any massive performances boost from this guy either.

Of course I'm comparing both their actual seasons it's literally the easiest to show that people who think this guy improved whereas the other is the same old donkey is false, the truth is both are donkeys with one just being slightly better than the other

So Lukaku has 23 non penalty goals this season compared to Morata 18 whereas Lukaku had 4 more big chances missed and 2 less assists than Morata both in same amount of matches , how exactly is this guy a big improvement over Morata? 

Yes he scored more than Morata but Alvaro wasn't an starter most the times compared to Lukaku.

Edited May 31, 2021 by R2D2

[R2D2 368]

10 minutes ago, Pizy said:

For me that would be a great summer. We already have a great squad so don’t need to buy 5 world class players this summer. We need quality in a couple of areas and we’re a complete team. 
 

Anyone hoping we go out and buy a bunch of galacticos is going to be disappointed.

I'm not keen on getting only galacticos but we've just won the CL have a great young squad which only needs a couple more quality investments to complete it yet decide to go for donkey Lukaku, Sule who is easily the worst of Lacroix, Kounde, Marquinhos, Traore complete LOL and Rice who is decent but in relation to value/price is another disgrace.

Edited May 31, 2021 by R2D2

[Alabama 1,992]

Just get Sancho 

Tchouameni and Lacroix and call the summer window a day...

[Jype 6,398]

2 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

He is marginally better than Morata that's what I'm trying to say, if Morata was trash for us don't expect any massive performances boost from this guy either.

Of course I'm comparing both their actual seasons it's literally the easiest to show that people think this guy improved whereas the other is the same old donkey, the truth is both are donkeys with one just being slightly better than the other

So Lukaku has 23 non penalty goals this season compared to Morata 18 whereas Lukaku had 4 more big chances missed and 2 less assists than Morata both in same amount of matches , how exactly is this guy a big improvement over Morata? 

Yes he scored more than Morata but Alvaro wasn't an starter most the times compared to Lukaku.

There's a reason Morata has not been a consistent starter for most of his career clubs so far, it's because he's not a good player and definitely not a good goalscorer.

Lots of people had doubts in 2017 over Morata's goalscoring consistency. At the time he'd been used mostly as an impact substitute both for Real Madrid and Juventus and he'd never shown good enough form to become a starter and had only once scored 15 league goals in a season (while his second best scoring season was 8 league goals for Juve).

I have no doubt Lukaku would score 20 goals in the PL and another 5-10 across cup competitions if he joins. The team is set up perfectly for a striker like him, we create lots of chances but the only problem is finishing them off. Lukaku is a much better finisher inside the box than any of Werner, Havertz, Mount etc. so he'd definitely improve our goals scored record, at least against the mid table sides and bottom clubs. I too have some doubts over Lukaku in the top matches but finishing off some lower level teams is what's caused a lot of our problems in the last couple of years so a good finisher like Lukaku would fit in like a glove. 

[R2D2 368]

4 minutes ago, Alabama said:

Just get Sancho 

Tchouameni and Lacroix and call the summer window a day...

  Doesn't look likely at the moment, we seem completely obsessed to go for the average ones, swear each time we have a good season we do this crap and article this morning had the hypocrisy to say this.

16 hours ago, Jas said:

- Remains to be seen whether the club can negotiate a deal for Tuchel's top midfield target Rice. Tchouameni is a cheaper alternative but Tuchel will prioritize quality

 

[Alabama 1,992]

6 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

  Doesn't look likely at the moment, we seem completely obsessed to go for the average ones, swear each time we have a good season we do this crap and article this morning had the hypocrisy to say this.

 

Fukc the overrated Rice.. the only rice I want in Chelsea is Fried Rice...

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Jype said:

Pulisic, Ziyech, CHO obviously want to start more games but they also need to start showing why they deserve to be starters. Werner, for all his flaws, has been the best out of the bunch and is definitely ahead of the other three at the moment. Mount and Havertz will definitely expect to start most games and and probably will too, even if Lukaku joins.

Based on their current forms, I'd say Lukaku, Havertz, Werner and Mount would all start plenty enough games for all of them to be happy with their roles. Ziyech and Pulisic already had some complaints this season for their lack of play time and I don't see their situation becoming a lot better next season either, unless they drastically improve their play. Like I said, last chance for them next season.

Inclined to agree but here's the question - it's a new season next season. Will Tuchel have a different outlook on things or will he roughly stick with his tried and trusted players for certain positions? Based on minutes played and how he wants us to play, it then seems Mount and Werner are certainties because those two have played the most minutes out of the attackers. If that were to continue next season, then it leaves only one spot. If you throw in a potential Lukaku there, then what happens to Havertz, to Pulisic? What happens IF everyone is in form? I know there will be rotation and all but he'll also have some first choice with certain players. You can only rotate for so long before it comes bite us in the arse. And that's without even mentioning Ziyech and CHO. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

Think Tuchel just wants a ST by the sound of things and not an additional winger. Who that may be I have no Idea. Wants to work on improving our current lot which I can understand as they can create chances. Converting them is another issue. 

Edited May 31, 2021 by MoroccanBlue

[R2D2 368]

4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Think Tuchel just wants a ST by the sound of things and not an additional winger. Who that may be I have no Idea. Wants to work on improving our current lot which I can understand as they can create chances. Converting them is another issue. 

Looks like Ziyech fooled him for another season, can't wait to inquire about Sancho next year to find out he has signed for United one year prior.

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, R2D2 said:

Thing is this is the only real summer we have to get Sancho, assuming CHO and Ziyech fail next summer when we need to replace them no one will come even close to the potential Sancho has.

For all the talk about wanting to sell Ziyech, is there even any rumor out there that says he wants to leave or the club are open to selling him? Heck, has he himself even said anything anywhere about wanting to leave? All I've seen so far is former Dutch players complaining about Tuchel using him in a wrong system and asking him to leave bla bla bla.

[R2D2 368]

Who writes these trash articles should be nuked