Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 30,175]

44 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I rate Arthur, but in my opinion central midfield is one of our strongest areas of the pitch and is actually pretty well balanced both in terms of ages and different variations. 

With the late season emergence of Gilmour and Loftus-Cheek to come back in, we have an abundance in midfield (especially when Mount and Barkley both in my opinion look far better in a 4-3-3 set up than further forward). There are question marks over the futures of Jorginho and Kante and Arthur could be a good replacement for Jorginho but we already have Gilmour primed for that slot. I think if we were to buy a midfielder, we'd be better placed to look at more of a destroyer, holding midfield type than another ball player.

I think with Trincao, unless he is available very cheap, I don't think we should be looking to buy another young player in that position with a lot of potential when we already have Pulisic and CHO there. Sancho is a different animal altogether because he's more than just potential despite his young age. For the make up of the squad I would rather someone with a bit more experience to replace Willian and Pedro (like the signing of Ziyech).

oh yes, overall I agree

in MF we need a DMF, a real cruncher who also can pass well and play in a two man pivot

Kante is refusing to play NOW, and it isn't like COVID-19 is going to be better in the fall and winter UNLESS there is a vaccine, and that, despite all the hype, is unlikely (the quickest ever in history took 4 years)

 This is due to what is almost always the case with pandemics, a 2nd wave

he (Kante) could well and truly fuck us and just refuse to play period (I do not think he is that insane, but who knows)

plus we are talking about (supposedly) sell Jorginho to Juve

I so want Tonali

he is a fucking badass and very physical, far more than Pirlo was (NOT saying he is even remotely near at all to Pirlo as of now)

plenty of other doable DMF options too

Thomas Partey, Florentino, Camavinga, Denis Zakaria, even the hated on (and I admt, too expensive now with COVID affect our revenue) Declan Rice (who I rate a CB more than DMF anyway), also even Lampard's (again supposedly) target of Soumare, who I am not sold on, plus the likely too expensive as well Ndidi

and of course we have Ampadu and Conor Gallagher as well to weigh into the equation

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22 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Everything that I have read previously suggests that she has nothing to do with picking the players.

I think managers have had more say in transfers than is suggested, but they must also be approved by the scouting department. In my opinion all of the signings in 2017 were approved by Conte, but his issue was that they weren't necessarily his first choices (mainly because the players he wanted to bring in were generally older and the club were more focused on buying younger, emerging players). Sarri similarly would have requested Jorginho and apparently also wanted Kepa at Napoli.

Ziyech has also mentioned how he spoke with Lampard a number of times before agreeing to move (so it's clear Lampard wanted him). I think one example where this is perhaps not the case may be Pulisic (who Sarri seemed to suggest he wasn't involved in) but I think this signing was made on the basis that Sarri wouldn't be there when Pulisic arrived and was a deal the club wanted to make.

I just think that the signings the manager requests must fit into the club's policies and if they don't or are deemed unattainable then a scouted option is the next step.

I also think the scouting department is key at to deciding the value of the player that she should be negotiating for. Her negotiations for say a player like Drinkwater will be dictated by the scouts at the club (namely the chief scout Scott McLachlan) as to what the market value and a "good deal" would be. She will negotiate as hard as possible for the best price given the market situation but I firmly believe she will have been advised to go as high for Drinkwater as we did. Where she could possibly be criticised is the perceived lack of leeway within her negotiations (e.g. if she was given a value of £50m for Alex Sandro as an example and Juventus wanted £55m, she refuses to go beyond the valuation she's been advised to get the first choice target and would rather move to target two. Unfortunately that's just the way it is and whilst it will hold us back on some deals, it also ensures we are no longer push overs in the transfer market.

Similar goes for selling players. We've probably turned down some great deals in hindsight such as selling Willian, but again I'd rather us be in this position with regards to selling players, compared to 10-15 years ago when we pretty much used to give players away if they didn't work out. That sort of business back then, made it extremely difficult initially to transition into operating much more responsibly in the transfer market.

I agree with much of it...but mate we have done some horrible deals under Marina. Some good ones too though. She does not know when to sell forexample, contract situations etc. Scott def is at fault too. Vesper has gone through this plenty with valid or very close numbers. She has zero experience on the matter too. She is a business woman first thats for sure. I just know that under her guidence we have done some ridiculous buys/ sells. Maybe she is getting better or will get better. We will see. 

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18 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

I agree with much of it...but mate we have done some horrible deals under Marina. Some good ones too though. She does not know when to sell forexample, contract situations etc. Scott def is at fault too. Vesper has gone through this plenty with valid or very close numbers. She has zero experience on the matter too. She is a business woman first thats for sure. I just know that under her guidence we have done some ridiculous buys/ sells. Maybe she is getting better or will get better. We will see. 

fuck Scott McLachlan, he was a major driver behind Drinkwater, Baba, Emerson, Zappacosta, Bakayoko, Morata, etc 

I remember reading long ago (I will try and find it) he was against signing Kante and was overruled

I wager he helped to block a shit tonne of sales of dregs too

Chelsea’s Recruitment Troubles

https://allthingschelsea.blog/2019/04/16/chelseas-recruitment-troubles/

[Vesper 30,175]

lol, how far we have fallen in some areas and are paying for past misdeeds

Chelsea can use Bakayoko as leverage for Bulka’s return

https://theprideoflondon.com/2020/05/25/chelsea-can-use-bakayoko-leverage-bulka-return/

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Vesper said:

fuck Scott McLachlan, he was a major driver behind Drinkwater, Baba, Emerson, Zappacosta, Bakayoko, Morata, etc 

I remember reading long ago (I will try and find it) he was against signing Kante and was overruled

I wager he helped to block a shit tonne of sales of dregs too

Chelsea’s Recruitment Troubles

https://allthingschelsea.blog/2019/04/16/chelseas-recruitment-troubles/

Exactly, they keep making mistakes yet sit comfortably in their positions. The players you just mentioned reeks of incompetence.

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3 hours ago, Vesper said:

lol, how far we have fallen in some areas and are paying for past misdeeds

Chelsea can use Bakayoko as leverage for Bulka’s return

https://theprideoflondon.com/2020/05/25/chelsea-can-use-bakayoko-leverage-bulka-return/

 

 

I think people know my thoughts on this so it will surprise no one that I would go for such a deal. I'm less certain that Marcin would however. The fact that he was given zero minutes, at any level, in the season before he left suggests a big falling out with the club. Maybe he threw his toys out of the pram after the signing of Kepa, maybe the club quarantined him because he refused an offer of an extension and a loan*. Either way, seventy-one million unnecessarily spent pounds later, there would be some repair work to be done before a return can happen.

*I don't know that such a deal was offered but it's a more than reasonable guess that it was.

[Jase 43,479]

11 hours ago, Vesper said:

lol, how far we have fallen in some areas and are paying for past misdeeds

Chelsea can use Bakayoko as leverage for Bulka’s return

https://theprideoflondon.com/2020/05/25/chelsea-can-use-bakayoko-leverage-bulka-return/

 

 

Firstly, why the hell would PSG want Bakayoko? Assuming Tuchel stays on or they hire an attacking manager to replace him, why on earth would they want someone with a poor technical ability like Bakayoko? 

And secondly, the proposed solution to our goalkeeper problem is to bring someone who decided to leave for game time elsewhere and has played only 1 (ONE) game so far at that new club? If we want to solve the issue, we should just go buy a proven quality keeper and not someone who isn't and certainly not if that person has played only ONE game at the current club and barely even makes the matchday squad for that matter. 

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The Premier League, Spain’s big two or stay put? The battle for Ferran Torres

https://theathletic.com/1830378/2020/05/25/ferran-torres-valencia-liverpool-barcelona-manchester-city-united-psg/

Ferran Torres has always been a kid in a hurry, knowing where he wanted to go and the fastest way to get there.

So Valencia owner Peter Lim now has to look sharp himself or one of European football’s most exciting attacking talents will likely go on the market this summer at a knockdown price.

Out of contract in 12 months’ time, talks over Torres’ future had been deadlocked through the autumn and spring. The situation was already coming to a crux before the coronavirus crisis complicated matters even further, both on a club level and personally, for the 20-year-old.

An interested observer of the situation is Curro Torres, who won two La Liga titles and a UEFA Cup as a right-back for Los Che in the early 2000s and then coached his namesake when the youngster was coming through the ranks at the club.

“Ferran has the recognition of the Valencia fans and now what he is looking for is the recognition of the club,” Curro Torres tells The Athletic. “He is already one of the most important players in the squad. His performances have shown that. Logically, Lim would also want to count on players like him.”

A double European Championship winner at youth level with Spain, Torres has already made 88 senior appearances for Valencia’s first team. This season has been his first as a regular starter in both La Liga and the Champions League, and he has excelled despite another season of drama at Mestalla on and off the pitch.

Borussia Dortmund have reportedly already had an offer turned down, while Manchester City, Real Madrid, Manchester United, Liverpool, Barcelona, Juventus and any other big European club with their eyes open have been following the situation with interest.

Valencia’s hierarchy have been trying for months now to make progress on talks to extend a contract which ends in June 2021 and includes a €100 million release clause.

Torres’ attachment to the club he supported as a boy has always been clear. But those who know him best also say he has always been ambitious and single-minded about how to best manage his talent and make his way to the very highest levels of the game.

“I am not inside anymore and do not know the situation exactly,” says Curro Torres, now coach of Segunda Division team Lugo. “But there is no doubt that if the club have to make a big (financial) effort for anyone, it must be Ferran. He is the player in the squad with the most potential. We will have to see what happens. Ferran has ‘Valencianismo’ inside him. He has grown up with the club. There is no doubt about that. But often, people have their ambitions for their lives and Valencia, in this case, must be able to convince him to stay.”

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Anybody with even a passing interest in Valencia has known about Torres’ potential for years. The kid born just 20 minutes drive from the club’s Paterna training ground entered its youth system at six years old and was quickly identified as a future star.

Also a regular at Paterna through that time was Curro Torres, who coached Valencia Mestalla B team between 2014 and 2017.

“Ferran was a player, who stood out above everyone,” he says. “It was easy to see that he had different qualities and enormous potential. He always showed great personality on the pitch and had the physical attributes to make a difference. As a kid, he was always playing with older youngsters but he still stood out, with that capacity to adapt, to work hard and take on what he was told. He was clear about what he wanted. Everyone in the academy knew he had great potential.”

Another who spotted Torres’ potential early was Santi Denia, a former La Liga-winning defender with Atletico Madrid, who has spent the last decade coaching Spain’s youth sides.

“The first time I saw Ferran, he was playing with Valencia Under-15s in a regional Spanish championship,” Denia tells The Athletic. “I kept an eye on him and called him up for the national team when I could. Technically, he was always very good; his first touch generally perfect. Physically, he could protect the ball, had the pace to take people on, and the stamina to keep repeating efforts. He also had the right attitude. He was one of those players who youth coaches like, who would ask you lots of questions: ‘Why are we doing this exercise, what do I do if this happens?’. He had everything he needed to reach the level he is at now.”

Progress through the ranks with Spain’s underage teams was also rapid. Alongside fellow Valencia prospects Victor Chust and Abel Ruiz, Torres was a key member of the Denia-coached side that won the European Under-17 Championships in Croatia in 2017, taking the final on penalties against an England team including Jadon Sancho, Phil Foden and Callum Hudson-Odoi. His contribution was even more outstanding at the Under-19 Euros in 2019 in Armenia, when he scored both goals in the final as “La Rojita” beat Portugal 2-0.

“Since Ferran started coming with the under-16s, he was an automatic pick on the right wing,” Denia says. “He always stood out and was decisive in key games. He had the personality to take on responsibility, which was important for the coach. When you get to the semi-finals or the final, and things are getting difficult, he put his efforts at the service of the team. Against Portugal, he did a spectacular amount of work and football rewarded him with the two goals to win the final.”

Denia says that such early success has not gone to the head of a youngster who has been a natural leader of his underage teams.

“To reach the level he has so quickly, you must have a good head on your shoulders and good people around you,” Denia says. “You have to look after yourself and be professional. It’s true that I am not the most objective, as he is almost like a son to me after our years together. But he is a really good lad, a friend to his team-mates, someone who brings the team together, can be the soul of the group, a leader. He cracks the jokes and when he is feeling good, the team tends to do well.”

His peers Chust and Ruiz were tempted away from Valencia by Madrid and Barcelona respectively as teenagers. Centre-back Chust has played just nine games this season for Castilla, Madrid’s B team, in Spain’s third tier. Centre-forward Ruiz was moved on last January as Barca needed money quickly to balance the books and has played just three minutes so far for his new Portuguese club Braga, his loan move becoming a permanent transfer on June 30.

Torres and his camp rejected similar offers to earn more money elsewhere and that decision has paid off with a much more rapid arrival at the top level.

“Ferran has grown up in an ideal situation: at home in his city with his people and his family,” Denia says. “At Madrid and Barcelona, their transfer policy means that accelerating the route to the first team is very difficult. But these are decisions that players make with their family and their advisors and must be respected. At Valencia, Ferran moved quickly through the youth grades, which was ideal to reach the first team.”

Curro Torres was involved in the decision to move Torres quickly up to the Valencia Mestalla (reserve) team, where he was regularly training with adults and made a senior debut in Spain’s third tier in October 2016.

“We were keeping a close eye on him. He was always playing at level above his age,” he says. “We decided that despite his age, the experience of being with the older players would be good for us. At just 16, he was able to show the same capacity and ambition and talent playing with the adults. The team was doing well too, so he could be in an atmosphere where he could learn and improve. He was accepted within the group and got on well, even though he had other players ahead of him.”

Valencia have had many talented young creative midfielders and attackers through recent times, including David Silva and Juan Mata, who left Mestalla for success in the Premier League. Asked to compare the youngster to any former Los Che player, Curro Torres chooses Vicente Rodriguez, a team-mate on the Valencia team which had such success under Rafa Benitez in the early 2000s.

“You can compare him with Vicente, although Vicente was left-footed and Ferran is right-footed,” Curro Torres says. “They have the same profile. They work very hard, are technically very skilled, offensively very powerful, take people on one-on-one, score goals, cross the ball too.”

Valencia’s senior coach Marcelino Garcia Toral was also keeping a close eye and Torres made his Primera Division debut in February 2018 as a substitute at Malaga. His first start came a few weeks later at Athletic Bilbao’s intimidating Estadio San Mames, marking the occasion with a startlingly mature assist for Geoffrey Kondogbia.

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Valencia knew they had a potential superstar on their hands, while Torres and his advisors were also well aware of his worth, with reported interest from Juventus and a number of Premier League clubs. A new deal which guaranteed him a senior squad place was agreed with Valencia’s then-general manager Mateu Alemany in October 2018. Torres continued to make mostly brief substitute appearances in La Liga, while his coach tried to keep a lid on growing excitement at Mestalla.

Dampening the hype became more and more difficult. January 2019 saw Torres score a fine solo goal against Sporting Gijon in the Copa del Rey, when he drove into the box, dummied the keeper and calmly finished with his left foot. Four days later came his first La Liga goal, controlling a difficult ball on his chest and rifling home right-footed to equalise against Celta Vigo.

Marcelino played him all through the early Copa rounds but then kept him on the bench during the shock final win over Barcelona as Valencia won their first trophy in 11 years. Such caution using young players, also including South Korea underage star Lee Kang-in, was reportedly one of the reasons for growing tensions between the coach and some of the club hierarchy.

Curro Torres says that Marcelino was just doing his job in protecting a talented teenager and preparing him to make an impact when he was ready.

“That was normal,” he says. “So that when they come into the team, everything goes as it should and you reach the point where it is impossible to hold them back any more. And with their performances, they win their regular place in the team. Now, Ferran is one of the most promising right wingers or right midfielders in all of European football.”

Marcelino was not around to reap the rewards of that prudence, as he was fired just three games into the 2019-20 season. Replacement Albert Celades has shown no reluctance at all to use the youngster. His first Champions League goal came in November’s 4-1 win over Lille and the following weekend, he scored a superb solo effort in La Liga against Granada, carrying the ball from halfway before thumping a shot to the net from 20 yards.

The youngest player in Valencia’s team was emerging through a rollercoaster season as their leader in the biggest games. During the following month’s regional derby at home to Villarreal, Torres capped an exhilarating man-of-the-match performance by slamming in a second-half winner. He then celebrated with the Mestalla crowd by grabbing the badge on his shirt and roaring: “I’m from here”.

Either side of the winter break, Celades’ team continued to raise their games in their biggest matches. Torres was outstanding in a 1-1 home draw against Real Madrid and set up the clinching goal in a 2-0 victory at home to Barcelona. Curro Torres was not surprised by his former charge settling so quickly at the highest level.

“Ferran has always had that capability. When he gets an opportunity, he takes it and keeps improving,” he says. “He keeps looking for the ball, even when the team is having problems, and that speaks to the class of footballer he is. When the difficult moment comes, he rolls up his sleeves and shows his commitment.”

Given Torres’ impact at Valencia, there had been talk that Spain senior coach Luis Enrique was considering calling him up for a full international debut and a possible role at this summer’s Euro 2020 championships.

“I am sure that Luis Enrique and his staff are following Ferran for sure. He is now a fixture with the Under-21 team and standing out at Valencia in a position which is very specific,” Denia says. “So he has a chance to go to the senior team.”

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The next challenge for Torres to face was the arrival of coronavirus. He played all 90 minutes of Valencia’s 4-1 Champions League last-16 first-leg defeat at Atalanta on February 19, a game now remembered as the “biological bomb” which significantly spread COVID-19 in both Italy and Spain.

Torres was one of the Los Che players who fought hardest to turn that tie around in the second leg on March 10 behind closed doors at Mestalla, He scored one goal and made another in the surreal 4-3 defeat played behind closed doors, with noise drifting into the stadium from fans gathered outside.

The following weekend, Valencia defender Ezequiel Garay became the first La Liga player to publicly announce he had tested positive. Others followed.

Torres made the best of the lockdown by purchasing extra gym equipment and adding four more kilos of muscle to his 6ft frame while working out at home. When Celades and his team returned to individual training at Paterna on May 9, his excellent condition stood out again in the physical testing.

Meanwhile, the clock keeps ticking on his contract situation. Those close to the player are not keen to disclose any details of talks with the club, and say Torres himself is solely focused on finishing the last 11 games of the 2019-20 season. Clearly, however, the club have a job to do in convincing him that Mestalla is the best place for him to continue his progress. The sacking of experienced hand Alemany along with Marcelino last autumn has not helped the two sides reach an agreement.

Curro Torres says that Torres and his long-term advisors have previously seen the value of remaining at Valencia to progress but there could come a point when his career will best be progressed elsewhere.

“I’ve no doubt he has had offers from other clubs, both inside Spain and abroad,” he says. “It is normal that the best players are wooed by the biggest clubs. But he was clear about what he wanted, which was to come through at Valencia. And he has achieved that. Now there is another moment when the club has to try and reach an agreement for him to stay. He is young but it is normal that he has his ambitions. I am sure that he would like to achieve those ambitions with Valencia but sometimes, these things are difficult, negotiations can be tough, and we will have to see what happens.”

An extra complicating factor is Valencia’s already tricky financial situation, which saw the club try to sell their first choice centre-forward Rodrigo Moreno to Barcelona last summer and again in January. Even before the serious financial consequences of the coronavirus crisis, there had been an acceptance that the club would have to let go important players to bring in money this summer.

There is also an understanding that Valencia will not allow the club’s most saleable asset to enter the last 12 months of his contract and run the risk of losing him for a much smaller development fee in summer 2021. That could mean they would be open to selling during the next transfer window for a price significantly below his €100 million release clause.

Joining a very top team like Manchester City or Real Madrid would bring a potential risk of Torres’ rapid progress being halted, as he would have much higher competition for a starting place each week. Although Denia does not think that would be a serious problem for a player who has so far always taken every step up in his stride.

“You never know what will happen,” he says. “Whenever he has jumped a level, he has had no problems. If you are talking about Manchester City or Real Madrid, it takes a lot to get games there. You have to earn your playing time. But for a player who wants to win Champions Leagues, he has a better chance at one of those bigger clubs. It is a challenge for the player, to keep playing, keep improving, and be ambitious to win trophies.”

Torres’ physical attributes and direct style would be a good fit for the Premier League, says Denia.

“He could play for any team in the world but, for me, he could be very useful in English football,” Denia says. “We always used him with the national team as a pure right winger, on his natural side, where he could take on people on the outside. And wingers are often used in England, more than in Italy, for example, although he has evolved more with Valencia, with Marcelino and also now Celades too, playing inside, or even on his opposite wing. He is developing his game in a spectacular way and can keep growing at Valencia or any other club.”

Curro Torres says that he is sure that his former player will make the right decision at this point, and that whether he moves on or not this summer, he will remain on course to become one of Spain’s most important players over the next decade.

“Ferran has always had that ability to appear much more mature than his age,” he says. “And be able to manage situations that a kid of his age would take the wrong decision. He makes very few mistakes. That has helped him to make that big step up at a club like Valencia, where it is not easy. He is still very young but with a very big personality. He is capable of becoming one of the great players in Spanish football.”

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9 hours ago, Jason said:

Firstly, why the hell would PSG want Bakayoko? Assuming Tuchel stays on or they hire an attacking manager to replace him, why on earth would they want someone with a poor technical ability like Bakayoko? 

And secondly, the proposed solution to our goalkeeper problem is to bring someone who decided to leave for game time elsewhere and has played only 1 (ONE) game so far at that new club? If we want to solve the issue, we should just go buy a proven quality keeper and not someone who isn't and certainly not if that person has played only ONE game at the current club and barely even makes the matchday squad for that matter. 

On the subject of Bakayoko, I haven't been tracking him in detail but from what I've heard he's played well this season at Monaco and was obviously excellent in the season at Monaco before we brought him. He also ended up having a pretty good season at Milan last time too.

I don't watch much European football anymore but I don't think the French or Italian leagues are either the pace or quality of our league and maybe more time on the ball helps aid some of his technical limitations which were showed up when he was here.

PSG I think lack that type of physical presence in their midfield and as he's always performed well in France, perhaps that's why they're interested. I would tend to agree though, I would have expected PSG to set their sights higher.

To be honest I'm willing for anybody to take him off our hands for a realistic fee right now!

[Blues Forever 1,232]

Simon Johnson on the Athletic Chelsea Podcast: "I was talking to someone the other day and they were suggesting that in all likelihood there will be one big signing and then take it from there".

https://theathletic.com/podcast/139-straight-outta-cobham/?episode=28

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14 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

Simon Johnson on the Athletic Chelsea Podcast: "I was talking to someone the other day and they were suggesting that in all likelihood there will be one big signing and then take it from there".

https://theathletic.com/podcast/139-straight-outta-cobham/?episode=28

Like I said, if we lineup like this next season all will be forgiven. 

Kepa

James---Tomori---Gabriel--Telles

Jorginho---Kovacic

Ziyech---Havertz----Pulisic

Tammy 

 

Giroud/CHO/Mount/Loftus-Cheek/Kante/Gilmour/Dave/Rudiger/Christensen/Alonso

[LAM09 7,051]

Like I said, if we lineup like this next season all will be forgiven. 

Kepa

James---Tomori---Gabriel--Telles

Jorginho---Kovacic

Ziyech---Havertz----Pulisic

Tammy 

 

Giroud/CHO/Mount/Loftus-Cheek/Kante/Gilmour/Dave/Rudiger/Christensen/Alonso

Relying on subpar strikers for another season?

Will be battling for top 4 at best, if that remains the case.

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

2 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Relying on subpar strikers for another season?

Will be battling for top 4 at best, if that remains the case.

Werner wants Liverpool and Lautaro wants Barca?  Who else is out there is available and is a massive upgrade on what we have?

Least we can do is improve the squad with end product. Ziyech was the best chance creator in Europe last season and Havertz continues to bang them in. Pulisic was also very productive for us before his injuries. 

[LAM09 7,051]

Werner wants Liverpool and Lautaro wants Barca?  Who else is out there is available and is a massive upgrade on what we have? Least we can do is improve the squad with end product. Ziyech was the best chance creator in Europe last season and Havertz continues to bang them in. Pulisic was also very productive for us before his injuries.    

 

The term massive upgrade is obviously subjective, but I believe Osimhen would be a notable improvement.    

 

 

At this point, I'd even take Icardi despite everything.

 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

13 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

The term massive upgrade is obviously subjective, but I believe Osimhen would be a notable improvement.    

 

Forgot about him tbf

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1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

On the subject of Bakayoko, I haven't been tracking him in detail but from what I've heard he's played well this season at Monaco and was obviously excellent in the season at Monaco before we brought him. He also ended up having a pretty good season at Milan last time too.

I don't watch much European football anymore but I don't think the French or Italian leagues are either the pace or quality of our league and maybe more time on the ball helps aid some of his technical limitations which were showed up when he was here.

PSG I think lack that type of physical presence in their midfield and as he's always performed well in France, perhaps that's why they're interested. I would tend to agree though, I would have expected PSG to set their sights higher.

To be honest I'm willing for anybody to take him off our hands for a realistic fee right now!

EPL is too much for him, that much is clear. As you said we should get rid if any decent offers come along, lets hope Marina doesnt pull another Bats this time.

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

Relying on subpar strikers for another season?

Will be battling for top 4 at best, if that remains the case.

Yeah Tammy needs help, it will only help his progress more imo. But getting Havertz will do us so well too.

[NikkiCFC 8,319]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Like I said, if we lineup like this next season all will be forgiven. 

Kepa

James---Tomori---Gabriel--Telles

Jorginho---Kovacic

Ziyech---Havertz----Pulisic

Tammy 

 

Giroud/CHO/Mount/Loftus-Cheek/Kante/Gilmour/Dave/Rudiger/Christensen/Alonso

RLC for Tammy and Havertz as number 9 would be better for me.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

According to La Gazette du Fennec, Chelsea have now come forward and ‘officially contacted’ Brentford over signing winger Saïd Benrahma, having made the 24-year old one of their ‘priorities’.

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

On the subject of Bakayoko, I haven't been tracking him in detail but from what I've heard he's played well this season at Monaco and was obviously excellent in the season at Monaco before we brought him. He also ended up having a pretty good season at Milan last time too.

I don't watch much European football anymore but I don't think the French or Italian leagues are either the pace or quality of our league and maybe more time on the ball helps aid some of his technical limitations which were showed up when he was here.

PSG I think lack that type of physical presence in their midfield and as he's always performed well in France, perhaps that's why they're interested. I would tend to agree though, I would have expected PSG to set their sights higher.

But no team can succeed at the highest level if they have players with poor technical ability in their team, especially if they are an attacking sort of team. I mean we, known to be a pragmatic team in the past, were tearing our hair at out at Bakayoko or Matic for instance.