Chelsea Transfers

[Atomiswave 6,117]

8 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I find it amusing how Scott McLachlan gets off the hook. 

He def cant get off the hook....

20 minutes ago, Vesper said:

we still have £164m in the kitty to the good (strictly speaking of net transfer funds)

we could buy BOTH Dayot Upamecano AND Gabriel Magalhães for only £57m total spend

swap Emerson for Alex Sandro (yes he only has 2 or probably 3 good years left, but now Emerson, post COVID-19 is worth shit, less than 20m and Sandro is a massive upgrade even at 29yo, and for perspectivem he is a month younger than Alonso ) for FREE

and buy BOTH Sanch and Havertz (I think £170m would get it down now in thsi market)

and nothing more (buy wise)

£227m minus 164m

63m net spend

sell AC and Zouma ( around 55m to 60m total, so covers the 2 new CB's) <<< sell em both to the head chopper if they buy Newcastle, lolol

 

net down to 8m net

add in 37m for Ziyech

45m net

plus whatever of the dregs (Bats, Baba, Baka, Moses, Kenedy, Drinkwater, eyc) we can do (even at a cheap price, that is on the board)

we are now at zero net TOTAL  , with just a few (not even all) of those dregs 

Havertz can play CF if need be

boom

even taking massive losses on the ones listed, due to non sales by fucking Marina, the reduced prices balance shit out somewhat

 

AND

I did not even talk about selling Jorginho (Juve want him BAD)

Kante refusing to play may fuck that up though, grrrrrr

 

but my point is we can bring both our dream targets in (Sancho and Havertz) and TWO masssssssive upgrade at CB

and a massive upgrade (fore free, even if it only for 3 years) at LB

for super doable final total price of close to zero net 

damn shame we are doing nothing for backup keeper it looks like

I would even love to get Vicente Guaita in from Palace, massive upgrade on soon 39yo Willy and he would cost fuckall

 

 

Ohh please Vesper....that shit makes too much sense for Marina to take the bull by the horns.

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Just now, Atomiswave said:

He def cant get off the hook....

Ohh please Vesper....that shit makes too much sense for Marina to take the bull by the horns.

I edited again so re-quote me please via an edit of your reply

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On 23/05/2020 at 2:31 PM, Atomiswave said:

He def cant get off the hook....

Ohh please Vesper....that shit makes too much sense for Marina to take the bull by the horns.

it isnt rocket science, and I am assigning crazy low sale prices from what we could have had (granted balanced off by reduced buy prices)

the numbers absolutely work and we can certainly afford a little wiggle room of 20 or £40m is it breaks a wee bit to the bad over my figures (which it should do TOO badly at all as i was pretty conservative)

assuming we keep Jorginho

those moves yield this 25m roster (I will add in Vicente Guaita just because he would be so cheap)

GK Kepa

GK Vicente Guaita

GK Willy

CB Dayot Upamecano

CB Gabriel Magalhães

CB Rudiger

CB Tomori

LB Alex Sandro

LB Alonso (or Telles)

RB Reece

RB Azpi

DMF Kante (IF he refuses to play at all, then bring in Ampadu or Conor Gallagher) 

DMF Jorginho

CMF Kovacic

CMF RLC (AMF and emergency Winger as well)

CMF Billy Gilmour

CMF Barkley

AMF Havertz (and he can play winger and CF too)

AMF Mount

LW Sancho

LW Pulisic

RW Ziyech (AMF as well)

RW  CHO (provided he is not locked up, we can mage even if he is, as we know have insane versatility with this squad)

CF Tammy

CF Giroud (and as stated Havertz as blitz option)

 

massively better and we can sort out CF in 2021 (as Giroud leaves in 2021 and we have Havetz to experiment with now), LB in a couple years, and then DMF in 2021 or 2022

IF we sell Jorginho, then ffs, buy a great young DMF like Denis Zakaria or Soumare even or do a peak vet like Thomas Partey (my favourite option) as it will be a net zero or near zero switch

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29 minutes ago, Vesper said:

it isnt rocket science, and I am assigning crazy low sale prices from what we could have had (granted balanced off by reduced buy prices)

the numbers absolutely work and we can certainly afford a little wiggle room of 20 or £40m is it breaks a wee bit to the bad over my figures (which it should do TOO badly at all as i was pretty conservative)

assuming we keep Jorginho

those moves yield this 25m roster (I will add in Vicente Guaita just because he would be so cheap)

GK Kepa

GK Vicente Guaita

GK Willy

CB Dayot Upamecano

CB Gabriel Magalhães

CB Rudiger

CB Tomori

LB Alex Sandro

LB Alonso

RB Reece

RB Azpi

DMF Kante (IF he refuses to play at all, then bring in Ampadu or Conor Gallagher) 

DMF Jorginho

CMF Kovacic

CMF RLC (AMF and emergency Winger as well)

CMF Billy Gilmour

CMF Barkley

AMF Havertz (and he can play winger and CF too)

AMF Mount

LW Sancho

LW Pulisic

RW Ziyech (AMF as well)

RW  CHO (provided he is not locked up, we can mage even if he is, as we know have insane versatility with this squad)

CF Tammy

CF Giroud (and as stated Havertz as blitz option)

 

massively better and we can sort out CF in 2021 (as Giroud leaves in 2021 and we have Havetz to experiment with now), LB in a couple years, and then DMF in 2021 or 2022

IF we sell Jorginho, then ffs, buy a great young DMF like Denis Zakaria or Soumare even or do a peak vet like Thomas Partey (my favourite option) as it will be a net zero or near zero switch

Fat chance mate....I mean it makes sense for sure but I for one simply cannot see Marina pulling it off. She simply does not have the know how and ambition to make us great again. If she pulls it off I will happily give her dues.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

Seems Havertz playing as CF again since Volland isn't available.

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9 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

Seems Havertz playing as CF again since Volland isn't available.

Yup just scored too.

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Just now, Atomiswave said:

Yup just scored too.

Has been on fire since winter break.

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

He def cant get off the hook....

It seems like he has. He's the only one who's had the increase in responsibility with Emenalo leaving.

He isn't the one holding the kit next to the new transfer so I suppose that's why...

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4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

It seems like he has. He's the only one who's had the increase in responsibility with Emenalo leaving.

He isn't the one holding the kit next to the new transfer so I suppose that's why...

I said it last season that he needs a deep looking at

[Blues Forever 1,232]

Havertz scored another one.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

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56 minutes ago, shrenshah said:

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A few corrections:

1. Pulisic is better on the Left Wing, while CHO is better on the Right Wing

2. While Havertz is capable to playing for several positions, his best form has always come as a False 9 and No. 10.

3. Kante isn't suit as a lone DM. His best form has always come when he is the more advanced player in a two with the freedom to roam and engage in duels in different portions of the pitch. Making him sit deeper in front of the back four would takes away his best attribute.

 

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3 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

A few corrections:

1. Pulisic is better on the Left Wing, while CHO is better on the Right Wing

2. While Havertz is capable to playing for several positions, his best form has always come as a False 9 and No. 10.

3. Kante isn't suit as a lone DM. His best form has always come when he is the more advanced player in a two with the freedom to roam and engage in duels in different portions of the pitch. Making him sit deeper in front of the back four would takes away his best attribute.

 

If we are cherry picking he also changed preferable side for every CB.

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7 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

If we are cherry picking he also changed preferable side for every CB.

You're right, he put Tomori, Christensen, and Gabriel on the wrong side. Rudiger though i remember once said he preferred LCB than RCB.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

According to Simon Johnson from Alex Goldberg"s Podcast:

Frank's main priority is adding goals to the team, and it sounded like he wants more from midfield particularly. He would ideally like to play with a classic holding midfielder and two advanced midfielders between the lines (sounded comparable to Man City). Generally expect Ziyech to play as 10 or AM, but Frank might even want someone else who can play as a shadow striker (Havertz interest is real, but Johnson says it's unlikely due to pandemic).

Says back 3 systems aren't the way Frank wants to go, mostly used to accommodate Alonso.

CB: Frank would ideally like a dominant CB who brings leadership and pulls everyone else along. Would especially like a left-footed defenders for the left CB slot. Think a Van Dijk type signing.

LB: Frank doesn't rate Emerson or Alonso, the clear main target is Chilwell but Telles came up as a more economic alternative, especially because pandemic and Leicester's valuation of Chilwell. Maatsen is rated very highly and is actually being considered as a LB backup option if both Emerson and Alonso leave.

Striker: Frank wants someone with a presence, someone a bit like Tammy but also more rounded. Tammy situation is a bit complicated as he's apparently waiting to see what Chelsea do before signing a new contract. If we bring someone like Aubameyang (says it's unlikely) he'd be a starter and Tammy would be unhappy. Dembele is the name Johnson hears most often, but other younger options also considered, including someone Johnson hasn't heard reported so much and can't mention himself. Sounded like the club aren't completely sure what to do about the position yet - should Tammy be a starter, have serious competition, or should they bring a starter.

Sancho: Sancho interest is real and will be a target again next summer most likely. Dortmund won't sell now, they want a bidding war after the Euros. CL football will be a big factor in how seriously we can appeal to him.

Jorginho & Kanté: Frank likes both, but club may be tempted if a good offer for Jorginho came in from Juventus. They're aware that a chance like that may never come again to make good money on him, and with Gilmour coming through there's a similar, highly promising player to potentially take the spot.

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8 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

According to Simon Johnson from Alex Goldberg"s Podcast:

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

 

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On 24/05/2020 at 2:08 PM, Blues Forever said:

 

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(Havertz interest is real, but Johnson says it's unlikely due to pandemic).

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Frank would ideally like a dominant CB who brings leadership and pulls everyone else along. Would especially like a left-footed defenders for the left CB slot.

 

 

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, the clear main target is Chilwell but Telles came up as a more economic alternative, especially because pandemic and Leicester's valuation of Chilwell. Maatsen is rated very highly and is actually being considered as a LB backup option if both Emerson and Alonso leave.

 

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Dembele is the name Johnson hears most often, but other younger options also considered, including someone Johnson hasn't heard reported so much and can't mention himself.

 

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Sancho interest is real and will be a target again next summer most likely. Dortmund won't sell now, they want a bidding war after the Euros

 

1. Havertz will never be cheaper until he is in his 30's. It is crazy to wait if we want him. I already showed with a complete accounting how we could buy BOTH Sancho AND Havertz plus others for a net zero spend, so IF you remove Sancho from the buying , we sure as hell have the cash.

 

2. Here are the only Left-Footed CB's who are remotely up to a level worth considering

Lucas Hernández (Bayern will never sell him now)

Alessio Romagnoli (the cunt  Mino Raiola as his agent makes this shit hard, but he is the perfect buy otherwise)

Gabriel Magalhães buy him now, IMHO, if we cannot get Romagnoli

Clément Lenglet (Barca will not sell I think)

Mohammed Salisu -  Real Valladolid,  young, tall 1.91m, very pacey, good on the ball, very, very large upside, we should be scouting him, number 3 on my list for left footed CB target,all things considered

Pau Torres - Villarreal, 23yo, tall 1.91m, good on the ball, large upside, we should be scouting him

Presnel Kimpembe (I doubt PSG will sell him)

Alessandro Bastoni (worth looking at,, 21yo, 1.90m, but Inter probably will not sell)

Benoît Badiashile (too young atm to come right in I think, just turned 19yo, but is huge (1.94m) and we have scouted him), Monaco is friendly team for us

Dan-Axel Zagadou (even bigger at 1.96m, not sure if he is that good on the ball atm, and is not the paciest, 21yo)

Samuel Umtiti (has collapse in quality of play ever since he was superb at the WC, no clue what is wrong with him, massive enigma)

 

3. Just bloody buy Telles and sell Emerson IF we are not going to do a swap (Alex Sandro for Emerson) The money difference between the 2 deals is fairly small, as PSG only offered £17.9m for Telles, £20m would take him, which is what approximately we would get for Emerson from Juve or Inter. Hell, swap Emerson for Alex Sandro, sell Alonso to Inter and buy Telles. All that would cost £5m or so max net. Sandro is a month younger than Alonso, so age-wise it doesn't matter.

 

4. I think the CF he is talking about would be one of the following 

Myron Boadu - AZ Alkmaar (Raiola is his agent though) 19 yo, 20 goals, 13  assists in 3/4ers of a season

Victor Osimhen not really one who has NOT been linked with us though, he has been a tonne

Donyell Malen  PSV Eindhoven (that fucker Raiola gain though) 17 goals, 9 assists in half a seasons minutes, 21yo

Marcus Thuram  Borussia Mönchengladbach 22yo, but, guess who is his agent? MINO RAIOLA, ffs

Odsonne Edouard - Celtic he fits the criteria, not many links, young, is an all-rounder, 27 goals, 19 assists

Dominic Calvert-Lewin , sigh, I can but dream, he would be PERFECT for us, other than Werner, my number 1 target, but his price will be madness

Alfredo Morelos - Rangers, but he is a mental fucker, not sure how he would do in the EPL either, 29 goals, 10 assists

Josh Maja Bordeaux   21yo, we were liked once, months gao, deffo not a starting quality striker atm

Luca Waldschmidt - SC Freiburg  just turned 24, I aw we were scouting him, I am not sold he is top quality

Ollie Watkins Brentford, 24yo, massive in the Championship so far (22 goals), but not sure if he is EPL star quality

Alexander Isak  Real Sociedad  20yo, similar to Tammy, Swedish, came from my team here, AIK,, 14 goals in only 1500 minutes, not sure he is ready for the EPL yet at all

Luka Jovic, probably not, but a loan with an option might work

Fedor Chalov , we were linked, not sold on him at all, who knows

Aleksandar Mitrovic  25yo, 26 in a few months, so not really 'young'

 

5. I have zero clue what is going to happen with Sancho, my nightmare is he ends up at Manure

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

Having only Tammy/Giroud wouldn't be an issue if Ziyech and Havertz were both playing beneath them. 

Tammy/Giroud

Pulisic/CHO-----Havertz/Mount-----Ziyech/CHO

Kovacic/Ruben----Jorginho/Kante/Gilmour