Chelsea Transfers

[NikkiCFC 8,049]

7 hours ago, killer1257 said:

I just looked at some stats. Yes, I have been a stats freak in recent weeks.
I compared Ziyech, Sancho and Oyarzabal.
According to stats, Ziyech is by far the best tackler out of these three. So, in a high Pressing System, a Ziyech would be perfect and that is the way Lamps wants us to play.
Passing wise, Ziyech beats them again and that is to be expected. Has way more assists and key passes. Plays more passes than the other two. Also he has way more long Balls and through Balls and that is something we lack. Crossing wise, Ziyech is also a Beast.Sancho and Mikel seem to be more or less the same in that perspective.
Sancho is only a slightly better dribbler than Ziyech and Mikel.
Ziyech also scored more goals than both of them.
So stats wise, we should go all in in Ziyech.
 

What I learned over the years is that stats in Dutch league don't mean much. Lewis Baker, Klaassen and Tadic are great examples. Also Lozano is not good for Napoli yet. 

[killer1257 3,282]

What I learned over the years is that stats in Dutch league don't mean much. Lewis Baker, Klaassen and Tadic are great examples. Also Lozano is not good for Napoli yet. 

Look at his CL stats. They are similar and he destroyed us.
Also players like Suarez were also playing in the dutch league and he was the best striker in the World at a time


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[Vesper 29,012]

5 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

What I learned over the years is that stats in Dutch league don't mean much. Lewis Baker, Klaassen and Tadic are great examples. Also Lozano is not good for Napoli yet. 

If we buy  Ziyech, we would only get two full sub 30yo seasons out of him

plus he is utter shit on defence (Willian's one truly world class quality, he is a beast there)

hard pass

[Jase 43,479]

 

[!Hazard! 3,394]

On 11/19/2019 at 2:18 PM, killer1257 said:

I just looked at some stats. Yes, I have been a stats freak in recent weeks.
I compared Ziyech, Sancho and Oyarzabal.
According to stats, Ziyech is by far the best tackler out of these three. So, in a high Pressing System, a Ziyech would be perfect and that is the way Lamps wants us to play.
Passing wise, Ziyech beats them again and that is to be expected. Has way more assists and key passes. Plays more passes than the other two. Also he has way more long Balls and through Balls and that is something we lack. Crossing wise, Ziyech is also a Beast.Sancho and Mikel seem to be more or less the same in that perspective.
Sancho is only a slightly better dribbler than Ziyech and Mikel.
Ziyech also scored more goals than both of them.
So stats wise, we should go all in in Ziyech. Way better than the other options and way cheaper. We can get him for probably half of sanchos price(120 mio.).
Also, he would give is creativity and Mount does not offer that. Kova and Jorgi have also other responsibilities and he would close our lack of creativity.


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Ziyech is by far the best player playing outside of top5 leagues and its not even close. I've been a big fan of his for years and we should indeed go for him. 

[NikkiCFC 8,049]

Speaking of CB's I think we will get Ruben Dias. 

[killer1257 3,282]

Speaking of CB's I think we will get Ruben Dias. 

If we want to replace Zouma, we need to replace him with another beast, only with better technique. So Konate would be a try.

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[Jase 43,479]

Today's match definitely highlights we need a new left back and a striker!

[Blues Forever 1,232]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

Today's match definitely highlights we need a new left back and a striker!

Don't forget a new CB and RW too.

[Jase 43,479]

Exclusive: Jadon Sancho feels 'humiliated and scapegoated' by Dortmund amid interest from Barcelona, Liverpool, United and Real

https://theathletic.com/1403402/2019/11/24/exclusive-jadon-sancho-feels-humiliated-and-scapegoated-by-dortmund-amid-interest-from-barcelona-liverpool-united-and-real/

The importance of Jadon Sancho to Borussia Dortmund was underlined on Friday night when he registered a goal and an assist to limit the embarrassment of their 3-3 draw at home to Paderborn.

Dortmund went into half-time 3-0 down and on course for a humiliating defeat to the Bundesliga’s bottom side, only for Sancho to reduce the deficit with a neat finish shortly after the restart and later produce an inviting cross that set up captain Marco Reus to salvage a point in stoppage time.

It did not prevent the hosts from being booed off the pitch by their supporters, but there was at least some encouragement to be taken from the performance of Sancho, especially in light of recent events, which risk souring what is likely to be his final season in Germany.

Alarm bells started to ring last month as the 19-year-old was dropped and fined by Dortmund before their meeting with Borussia Monchengladbach for returning late from international duty — sporting director Michael Zorc and manager Lucien Favre both publicly expressing criticism.

The relationship took another turn for the worse after a 4-0 defeat at Bayern Munich two weeks ago; Sancho was removed on 36 minutes with the score at 1-0 and Favre later admitted his call had nothing to do with a pre-match injury concern, rather a display that was “not good enough”.

It is a sequence of events — in particular the substitution in Munich — that The Athletic understands has left Sancho feeling humiliated, scapegoated and unprotected by his employers.

The England winger has enjoyed a spectacular rise to prominence since joining Dortmund from Manchester City in 2017 for a fee of about £10 million. Thirteen goals and 16 assists in 43 appearances last season helped earn a lucrative new contract and saw his market value soar.

Zorc and the chief executive Hans-Joachim Watzke are said to have asked Sancho’s representatives last summer if they were going to seek a transfer in January, receiving a clear response that there would be no agitating to move this winter and the only plan was to stay for the whole campaign.

Subsequent reports about Sancho’s future led the Dortmund hierarchy to make further contact and pose similar questions while he was away with England — and the stance was reiterated.

Although the club have not communicated a desire to sell Sancho in the upcoming window, their enquiries and handling of the various issues are claimed to have upset and confused the player.

Four goals and seven assists in 16 outings suggest any notion of a dip in form is subjective and he continues to statistically outshine those in the same age bracket and position across Europe.

But Dortmund’s inconsistent campaign has resulted in finger pointing and sources close to Sancho intimate that the Londoner thinks he is being unfairly used to shoulder much of the blame.

Sancho is said to be comfortable with the pressure that accompanies his profile and accepts there will be tough periods. But as the youngest member of Dortmund’s side he equally expects a certain level of care and shared responsibility with senior team-mates, which he feels has been lacking.

Sources question the motives behind his early replacement at Bayern and point to a fixture against the same opponents a year earlier, which Dortmund were also trailing 1-0 at half-time before Sancho grew into the contest and assumed a key role in securing a dramatic 3-2 victory.

He was apparently perplexed that Favre, who would clearly recall that match and is fully aware of Sancho’s ability to change a game, did not even wait until the interval to bring him off and proceeded to admonish the teenager in the media. His camp deemed that to be disgraceful.

They intend to discuss the situation with Dortmund and are already aware of strong interest from suitors looking to sign Sancho next summer, when he anticipates exiting Signal Iduna Park.

As things stand, his options have been narrowed to Barcelona, Liverpool, Manchester United and Real Madrid. While Manchester City have asked to be kept informed, contrary to speculation there have been no conversations with Chelsea, the club Sancho grew up supporting.

He has yet to express a preference between the leading quartet and has no wish for his aides to entertain formal proposals until further down the line. Sancho is known to be particularly careful with his decision making and conscious of choosing the right destination at the optimal time, for the good of his career and to maximise his chances of success.

Sancho’s underlying Bundesliga performance profile this season has been very similar to last. He assisted 0.45 goals per 90 minutes last season (second of players with more than 600 minutes played), and 0.52 in 2019-20 (fourth) prior to Friday.

Sancho’s expected assists rating from open play per 90 minutes last season was 0.18 (25th) and is 0.23 this season (ninth in the Bundesliga), so his actual assist rate is more than double what would be expected of him from the positions he has set team-mates up in, according to data from StatsBomb.

No other winger born in or after 2000 was in the top 10 per cent for expected assists per 90 minutes in Europe’s top five leagues last season (of those who played more than 1,000 minutes), while only Dejan Kulusevski of Parma joins Sancho in achieving that this season.

Sancho completed more successful dribbles in 2018-19 than any player in the Bundesliga (4.2 per 90 minutes); this season he has completed slightly fewer dribbles (3.6 per 90 minutes), yet only Kingsley Coman at Bayern Munich beats an opposition player more in direct duels.

Sancho’s main “weakness” is his goalscoring — he had three so far this season (now four) and got 12 in 2018-19. His expected goals (xG) per 90 minutes last season was 0.25 (50th) and that has remained stable at 0.23 this season (25th). Both rates are very respectable for a winger, especially at Sancho’s age, and in this area no other winger born in or after 2000 rivals him. Ryan Sessegnon’s 0.13 xG per 90 minutes for Fulham last season comes closest.

Sancho benefits from playing for a team that suits his strengths, but his development and output as a wide player are unparalleled among his age group in Europe and it has not gone unnoticed by the game’s biggest clubs.

[killer1257 3,282]

I still prefer Ziyech over Sancho all day long. Ziyech offers crazy creativity, a real playmaker, while Sancho is a pure winger. Also, he is way cheaper than Sancho

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[Fernando 6,484]

21 hours ago, Jason said:

Today's match definitely highlights we need a new left back and a striker!

It's foolish to make a decision after one game. It has to be taken as a whole in general. 

That being said striker, Lb and cb are ones that I prioritize for a while because I never felt that Tammy, zouma and Emerson where top class players. 

But other then that one match should not be used as reason to decide on one player. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,318]

What left backs out there are currently an upgrade over Emerson?

Chillwell stats wise isn't even that much of an upgrade when you consider how much he will cost. 

[OneMoSalah 8,783]

5 hours ago, Jason said:

Exclusive: Jadon Sancho feels 'humiliated and scapegoated' by Dortmund amid interest from Barcelona, Liverpool, United and Real

https://theathletic.com/1403402/2019/11/24/exclusive-jadon-sancho-feels-humiliated-and-scapegoated-by-dortmund-amid-interest-from-barcelona-liverpool-united-and-real/

 

 

Fs it was one game. What a little whining bitch. He was really shite as well hence why he got subbed, didnt track his full back, wasnt productive, gave the ball away a lot... the sort of thing you get dragged off in the biggest game of the season against your biggest rivals. If thats him and his representatives mentality, I dont care how good he can be, screams avoid to me. He has been disciplined by Dortmund as well already this season for returning late from NT duty too. You'd think their manager had done something a lot worse for him to be feeling humilitated and like a scapegoat other than sub him for a below par performance. His team got beat 4-0 by their biggest rivals a year after theyd beat Bayern and looked comfortably better but weeks later he and his entourage come out with this pish albeit it indirectly? And the lack of support from senior players? Dortmund are one of the best clubs for a young player to play at. Just sounds like an excuse or a motivation for an exit. Fucks wrong with football these days?

[killer1257 3,282]

What left backs out there are currently an upgrade over Emerson?
Chillwell stats wise isn't even that much of an upgrade when you consider how much he will cost. 

That is the Problem. We have to ask@Vesper , who scouts a lot of talents.


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5 hours ago, killer1257 said:

I still prefer Ziyech over Sancho all day long. Ziyech offers crazy creativity, a real playmaker, while Sancho is a pure winger. Also, he is way cheaper than Sancho

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The big downside to Ziyech is that we will only get 2 full sub 30yo seasons out of him. He turns 28 next season so it is not a truly future forward-looking buy. He also has never played outside of the Eredivisie. I have seen articles saying he has yet to even enter his prime years, which unless you count prime years as only 2 or at most, 3, is just silly and ignores all  overall data on wingers.

He is deffo a dice roll. I do love his style of play though.

[killer1257 3,282]

The big downside to Ziyech is that we will only get 2 full sub 30yo seasons out of him. He turns 28 next season so it is not a truly future forward-looking buy. He also has never played outside of the Eredivisie. I have seen articles saying he has yet to even enter his prime years, which unless you count prime years as only 2 or at most, 3, is just silly and ignores all  overall data on wingers.
He is deffo a dice roll. I do love his style of play though.

I like your point but I disagree because of his playing style. Ziyech is not a typical pure right winger because he is a playmaker that plays on rw, so that is why I don't think that he will lose his insane creativity when he is 30+ years old.He will lose some speed, but he will not lose his dribbling and passing skills. He will at least have 4 World class years and depending how Professional he is; maybe 2 more years(obviously if he does not get any injuries). I would compare that to David Silva, who still is great right now,even though he is at the end of his career.
Ziyech is a fast player, but he relies on his dribbling and passing abilities rather than his pace.
60 Million for at least 4 World class years is pretty good these Days. Sancho 120 mio. , who will struggle with Form due to lack of Experience sometimes and he could always leave us for Barcrlona or Madrid After 5 years anyway. With Ziyech, we get an in Form player with Experience.
Also, Sancho never played PL either. Ziyech still has a lot of Top class CL Matches and he is Good enough for any League I guess

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[Vesper 29,012]

1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

I like your point but I disagree because of his playing style. Ziyech is not a typical pure right winger because he is a playmaker that plays on rw, so that is why I don't think that he will lose his insane creativity when he is 30+ years old.He will lose some speed, but he will not lose his dribbling and passing skills. He will at least have 4 World class years and depending how Professional he is; maybe 2 more years(obviously if he does not get any injuries). I would compare that to David Silva, who still is great right now,even though he is at the end of his career.
Ziyech is a fast player, but he relies on his dribbling and passing abilities rather than his pace.
60 Million for at least 4 World class years is pretty good these Days. Sancho 120 mio. , who will struggle with Form due to lack of Experience sometimes and he could always leave us for Barcrlona or Madrid After 5 years anyway. With Ziyech, we get an in Form player with Experience.
Also, Sancho never played PL either. Ziyech still has a lot of Top class CL Matches and he is Good enough for any League I guess

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you are saying 4 (and maybe 6) MORE WC years, or 4 to 6 counting this season season?

If you mean more and not counting this season

you are saying Hiyech will be WC well into his 30's (if he is, as your proviso stated, non-injured)

David Silva (and he doesn't play winger often, which is the position I am discussing, RWer to be specific) is,at this point, a complete product of the Pep system, and he has (I do admit last season for him was great) dropped off dramatically in overall play from just 12 months ago, when he turned 33 . Put Silva on a non-Pep level/style team, he would not be nearly as effective.

 

Look at the oldest EPL wingers (either side)

The only EPL LWer over 27 atm is the 29yo Junior Stanislas of Bournemouth

 

For RWers

in order of age (descending)

Aaron Lennon (32)

Pedro (32)

Robert Snodgrass (32)

Willian (31)

the only other ones over 28 are

Theo Walcott (30)

Andrii Yarmolenko (turned 30 a month and a day ago and blew out his Achilles last year)

Michail Antonio (29)

and finally

Johann Berg Gudmundsson (just turned 29 and would struggle to make our youth team)

that's it

Willian is the only one who is still playing at a top level (if you call his level of play 'top' which I actually do as he is a beast on defence and still has explosive pace WHEN he chooses to use it)

Maybe Yarmolenko (but he is NOT remotely WC and his injury has cost him burst speed)

 

The fact we have 2 of the only 4 over 30yo EPL wingers has warped some people's sense of perspective I think

and look at how Pedro has fallen off the table (so 3 of the 4 are shite)

it is a youngish person's position in the EPL 

we also do NOT even know IF Ziyech can even play well in the EPL, his teammate Tadic was an utter bust