Jase 43,479 Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ryebread said: Well, you are being a prick. I said he wouldn’t do it and I was wondering why he hasn’t tried it. It's basically the end of the season and people are still wondering why Tuchel hasn't played Giroud more...really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Ryebread said: So the only player on the team that created something today is the player you’re gonna go after.. I don’t get it. Sorry, I don’t understand the logic. We can agree to disagree. If you understand Tuchel, you'll know he doesn't just look at the numbers. He'll also make decisions based on the tactics and how he wants us to play. Mount will start the final. Werner likely too. It comes down to whether it's Pulisic, Havertz or even Ziyech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryebread 22 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Jas said: It's basically the end of the season and people are still wondering why Tuchel hasn't played Giroud more...really? An experienced World Cup winner replacing a misfiring Werner is hardly an insane idea btw. Jas, you clearly have your tail up and are having a go at people. Take it easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryebread 22 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Jas said: If you understand Tuchel, you'll know he doesn't just look at the numbers. He'll also make decisions based on the tactics and how he wants us to play. Mount will start the final. Werner likely too. It comes down to whether it's Pulisic, Havertz or even Ziyech. I understand this. Don’t need the patronizing as if I haven’t watched every Chelsea match since I can remember. I am stating my opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiterto 37 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 I think we played very well, but we were unlucky. My two cents worth of assesment: 1) Not sure about Jorginho. I have never liked inconsistent players. On his day he is a great player but 1 out of 5 good games is not good enough. Sell him 2) I truly believe Harvertz will come good next year. He made difference today when he came. 3) Sawp Timo for Haaland plus cash. Not sure if is cut out for Chelsea and EPL 4) Next year will be huge for Mount. He seems to disappear after some time in many games. My fav player I am hoping Tuchel gets the best out of him. 5) Pulisic was a huge disappointment today. I still like him give him one more year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ryebread said: An experienced World Cup winner replacing a misfiring Werner is hardly an insane idea btw. Jas, you clearly have your tail up and are having a go at people. Take it easy. It is when one moves like molasses and the other is rapid. Wonder which one will be easier to defend against when they are playing a counter attacking system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 For all his missed chances Timo had City on the ropes every time this season. The worrying thing is, his assists have dried up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryebread 22 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Just now, MoroccanBlue said: It is when one moves like molasses and the other is rapid. Wonder which one will be easier to defend against when they are playing a counter attacking system... Look, I said it would never happen and was wondering out loud why he hasn’t tried this.. Giroud holds up the ball. Werner doesn’t. It’s a different system obviously. I old enough to remember before Tuchel came in. He was scoring some big goals... and yes, it’s not gonna happen. Not in a million years. I’m just not a Werner fan. Then it comes down to having Havertz or Giroud or Tammy up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryebread 22 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Mana said: If there is one game I would NOT use Giroud (unless we are desperate) is the CL final. Giroud is too slow to make any kind of runs. It might just be the unpredictable Tuchel maneuver. If you hold up the ball well you don’t have to be fast. We need goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, Ryebread said: Look, I said it would never happen and was wondering out loud why he hasn’t tried this.. Giroud holds up the ball. Werner doesn’t. It’s a different system obviously. I old enough to remember before Tuchel came in. He was scoring some big goals... and yes, it’s not gonna happen. Not in a million years. I’m just not a Werner fan. Then it comes down to having Havertz or Giroud or Tammy up there. You don't have to be a fan of Werner. It's a question of making tactical decisions that will cause City the most problems. City will absolutely love it if Giroud starts because of his lack of mobility and pace to run in behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said: For all his missed chances Timo had City on the ropes every time this season. The worrying thing is, his assists have dried up. That was only like 2-3 games ago and if you count penalty as one, he helped won what turned out to be the match winning penalty in midweek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jas said: That was only like 2-3 games ago and if you count penalty as one, he helped won what turned out to be the match winning penalty in midweek. I think it was you who told my in the werner thread earlier this season that pens won do not count as assists. Would you please make your mind up? 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said: I think it was you who told my in the werner thread earlier this season that pens won do not count as assists. Would you please make your mind up? 😂 Did I? lol A penalty won really don't count as an official assist, if you go with the official definition (e.g. by Opta). But then you have sites (e.g. Transfermarkt) that count it as an assist. So yeah, go figure. And that's why I said "if you count penalty as one...". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryebread 22 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Jas said: You don't have to be a fan of Werner. It's a question of making tactical decisions that will cause City the most problems. City will absolutely love it if Giroud starts because of his lack of mobility and pace to run in behind. We all agree pep is a tactical genius right? He has been thinking and preparing for some form of Werner, Mount, Ziyech or pulisic up top for weeks. Tuchel is full of surprises.. benching chill well for Alonso , switching azpi and RJ’s positions lately. Benching pulisic after first leg of Real Madrid game. You never know... if he did it and we won, everyone would say it was a stroke of genius.. he won’t do it. I just wonder why he hasn’t tried him up top. Like I said, I am not ashamed to say that I think Werner just brings speed and work rate right now. If we want speed and work rate out of a striker, play usain bolt up top. Both probably would have the same strike rate at this moment in time Edited May 23, 2021 by Ryebread Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ryebread said: We all agree pep is a tactical genius right? He has been thinking and preparing for some form of Werner, Mount, Ziyech or pulisic up top for weeks. Tuchel is full of surprises.. benching chill well for Alonso , switching azpi and RJ’s positions lately. Benching pulisic after first leg of Real Madrid game. You never know... if he did it and we won, everyone would say it was a stroke of genius.. he won’t do it. I just wonder why he hasn’t tried him up top. Like I said, I am not ashamed to say that I think Werner just brings speed and work rate right now. If we want speed and work rate out of a striker, play usain bolt up top. Both probably would have the same strike rate at this moment in time But if Tuchel starts Giroud and it backfires, we would be screaming for his head. It's clear that Giroud is not suited to how Tuchel wants to play and it would be crazy to suddenly start him in a Champions League final, especially when he's played only about 134 minutes in all competitions since the end of February. It's a major cup final. It's not the time to start experimenting or throw nonsense curveballs. Play the strongest team and trust/pray/hope the XI selected turn up and perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Werner is a must for the City game. His eagerness and subsequent offside regularity is frustrating at times, but he's the one player who will regularly look to play on the last man of defence and run direct. It's on a number of occasions been one of City's weaknesses (they struggle regularly with Vardy who does the same). There's regularly space behind the full backs and it's the one thing that Dias has looked uncomfortable with. For me, I would play Mount, Havertz and Werner next week with Pulisic coming on in the last 20-30 minutes. Milan and DDA 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryebread 22 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Jas said: But if Tuchel starts Giroud and it backfires, we would be screaming for his head. It's clear that Giroud is not suited to how Tuchel wants to play and it would be crazy to suddenly start him in a Champions League final, especially when he's played only about 134 minutes in all competitions since the end of February. It's a major cup final. It's not the time to start experimenting or throw nonsense curveballs. Play the strongest team and trust/pray/hope the XI selected turn up and perform. So we are stuck with Werner as our pointy end... how did that work out today when we needed to win desperately? If you remove Werner from the equation, which I think was warranted ages ago. Then it comes down to Havertz, Giroud or Tammy. I will take the experienced World Cup winner over our young Bayer Leverkusen acquisition. He’s not exactly setting the world on fire either. We need 3 goals. I don’t see that happening repeating the same thing. I hope I’m wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ryebread said: So we are stuck with Werner as our pointy end... how did that work out today when we needed to win desperately? If you remove Werner from the equation, which I think was warranted ages ago. Then it comes down to Havertz, Giroud or Tammy. I will take the experienced World Cup winner over our young Bayer Leverkusen acquisition. He’s not exactly setting the world on fire either. We need 3 goals. I don’t see that happening repeating the same thing. I hope I’m wrong. Funny thing is Werner wasn't the one who was missing chances today. In any case, we can debate till the cows come home about this but Giroud is not going to start the final, for the reasons already mentioned by me and others. Based on how Tuchel has been setting us up, especially in the big games, he'll start Mount and Werner. It comes down to Havertz/Pulisic/Ziyech for the final spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryebread 22 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Jas said: We can debate till the cows come home about this but Giroud is not going to start the final, for the reasons already mentioned by me and others. Based on how Tuchel has been setting us up, especially in the big games, he'll start Mount and Werner. It comes down to Havertz/Pulisic/Ziyech for the final spot. I know. I made it clear that I accepted this fact. Don’t see enough goals. Simple as that. Hope I’m wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryebread 22 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Just now, Ryebread said: I know. I made it clear that I accepted this fact. Don’t see enough goals. Simple as that. Hope I’m wrong ...and I like the idea of surprising pep and destroying all his prep work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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