Kai Havertz

[Tomo 21,751]

9 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

His goals have nothing to do with creativity.

He has assisted 2 goals from free kicks, one from a corner kick and one from a normal cross. This is not what I call creativity. KDB, Bernardo Silva, David Silva etc. are creative players who do not only do corner kicks or indirect free kicks to get assists. KDB can make crazy through balls etc.
He can create chances for his players.

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Assist's are subjective, you can play the best through ball in football history yet you're still relying on someone else to do his job for it to be put on the stats.

[killer1257 3,282]

Liverpool and City hardly have a physical midfield 

Fabinho? Rodri is also not a pushover

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[Simon1991 233]

6 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

 

His goals have nothing to do with creativity.

He has assisted 2 goals from free kicks, one from a corner kick and one from a normal cross. This is not what I call creativity. KDB, Bernardo Silva, David Silva etc. are creative players who do not only do corner kicks or indirect free kicks to get assists. KDB can make crazy through balls etc.
He can create chances for his players.

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Delivering a good set-piece/corner is a form a creativity. We go on and on about how we cannot deliver good corners (hello Willian) and indirect free-kicks, so why wouldn't it count in terms of creativity? 

I won't argue that KDB or David Silva are not highly creative players, but just because they're better than Mount does not mean he is not a creative player. Also worth considering the free-flowing attacking football city plays. Mount would certainly look better in that system as well.

Why do you think he is not creative then? What i see from him is he can pick a pass, plays with high tempo all the time, can beat a man with a dribble or a good first touch. Those are intangible, you can't measure that, but i would never say he's not creative when i look him play.

Why do you consider he is not creative?

[killer1257 3,282]

Assist's are subjective, you can play the best through ball in football history yet you're still relying on someone else to do his job for it to be put on the stats.

So you say that Mount is playing these great through balls but Tammy and Giroud do not score from his passes?

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[NikkiCFC 8,286]

6 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

And I'll come back with watch our first goal against Leicester earlier in the year?

This is his biggest strength. Pressing. He also won penalty against Brighton in this way. He put that extra effort.

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

6 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Fabinho? Rodri is also not a pushover

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So a DM? Why not get a DM then?

[Tomo 21,751]

16 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

So you say that Mount is playing these great through balls but Tammy and Giroud do not score from his passes?

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Talk about going for the sensational headline.

Let's take Pulisic for example, he's only just picked up his first assist since the restart but anyone who's anyone knows he has in the context of play had a lot more.

Mount made a brilliant run past the Villa defense on the opening day back and was denied an assist because no one gambled. Watford and Spurs goals (Giroud and Alonso respectively) came about due to Mount's quick thinking to open up avenue's, he didn't technically get the assist but without his input we don't create the chance on either occasion let alone score. Mount also set up a goal for Nugent last season against Millwall but because he dummied it and didn't touch it it didn't go on record as his assist.

The other extreme would be whoever made the backwards pass to Charlie Adam before he booted it in at the half way line at our place would technically have an assist on record, it wouldn't really be a proper assist though.

Until the term assist gets redefined it's good for fantasy football league's but not much else, unless a player is assisting at an obscene rate like KDB I take next to no notice of it. Key passes and key dribbles are a much bigger sign of creativity. I'm not saying Mount's the most creative player to ever exist, but this "no assist from open play" thing is about as crap and misleading as the no assists by Jorginho last season or Hazard only getting something like 4/5 the season before that (that latter one alone should have triggered a reassesment on what an assist is).

[Valdo 583]

He wins less than 20% headers and with Kante besides him, that would be a huge risk. And only because he won once against Vertonghen does not mean he will win it against the likes of Matic or Pogba on regular basis. This season he plays as a no. 10 most of the times, so he had not have to win tackles against Fabinho, Pogba or Matic etc.

We are not a physical team in the first place and Lampard says that often. Havertz may be tall, but physicality is not his strength

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That's still 20% more then our entire back line when defending set pieces and corners [emoji23]

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[NikkiCFC 8,286]

5 minutes ago, Simon1991 said:

Delivering a good set-piece/corner is a form a creativity. We go on and on about how we cannot deliver good corners (hello Willian) and indirect free-kicks, so why wouldn't it count in terms of creativity? 

And yet Willian has most assists in our team this season 

If Kepa take all corners and set pieces he would have a few assists as well.

New season it will be Ziyech so that means Mount would have zero.

He has two or three things I like in his game but creativity is definitely not one of them.

 

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12 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

And yet Willian has most assists in our team this season 

If Kepa take all corners and set pieces he would have a few assists as well.

New season it will be Ziyech so that means Mount would have zero.

He has two or three things I like in his game but creativity is definitely not one of them.

 

I am not saying he's the most creative player aka KDB or lionel Messi, but stating Mount has no creativy is just not right, i am sorry.

Mount's intangibles are part of his creativity. The spaces he creates for his teammates, the urgency with which he plays, the breaking pass before the assist, all of those are intangibles but it must be accounted for when we discuss creativity. 

Just to give a comparison point, when Hazard was pulling 3 players down the left, hence creating space and then picking up a teammate, that was creativity. Not showing in numbers but clear for everyone to see if you watched him play. That's the creativity Mount offers.

I wonder why Frank plays him week in week out if he's not physical, not creative, is it just for the pressing? come on.. 

 

[killer1257 3,282]

Florentino Perez said that Real will not sign big players. So either Havertz comes to us and play EL or he stays at Bayer Leverkusen

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[killer1257 3,282]

So a DM? Why not get a DM then?

Because we have a small DM and that is Kante,who is untouchable and I can see why he is. So either Kante's partner needs to be more physical or we just accept the fact that we will get overrun many times

 

Even Barcelona has Busquets who is tall and more physical than the rest of the team.

 

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[DDA 9,924]

1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

Florentino Perez said that Real will not sign big players. So either Havertz comes to us and play EL or he stays at Bayer Leverkusen

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Have faith bro. It's not over yet.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

23 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Because we have a small DM and that is Kante,who is untouchable and I can see why he is. So either Kante's partner needs to be more physical or we just accept the fact that we will get overrun many times

 

Even Barcelona has Busquets who is tall and more physical than the rest of the team.

 

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Our defence is sadly complete shite. GK, CB and DM will all have to be brought if we want a balanced squad. Oblak, Partey and good, experienced CB would be more important than getting Havertz.

Id love Havertz here, but we already have Pulisic, Werner and Ziyech who will play front 3 most likely. 

[Vesper 30,090]

2 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Our defence is sadly complete shite. GK, CB and DM will all have to be brought if we want a balanced squad. Oblak, Partey and good, experienced CB would be more important than getting Havertz.

Id love Havertz here, but we already have Pulisic, Werner and Ziyech who will play front 3 most likely. 

IF the choice is what you laid out (wish you had listed the acceptable CB's)

I would take Oblak (insane salary alert)  Skriniar (it gets dicey if we start to talking about CB's not named Skriniar,  Romagnoli, Giménez, Marquinhos, Verane de Ligt, or even Stefan de Vrij), and Partey (or Rice over Partey) over Havertz alllllllll day

but those are all massive pulls, some damn near impossible AND we still need a LB no matter what

 

here is my total nightmare

we blow CL

and then we do this:

we barely liquidate the dregs, including Emerson, we also fail selling Jorginho,and Barkley, etc etc Marina digs in hard and will not sell at what is being offered at all

no new LB at all (Leicester refuses to come down on Chilwell and they have CL and we do not, plus, even though I do NOT want Chilwell, we also fail on the other 5 options)

Pope or worse GK

Ake CB (as we refuse to spend on an actual WC CB)

we sell Zouma and NOT AC first

we try to buy, but fail on Rice (and Partey goes to Arse or some other EPL club)

and we fail on Havertz