🇳🇬 Mikel John Obi

[Kojo 4,676]

Wilshere-arteta is a good pivot but none of them are pure holding midfielders thats why i didnt mention them.Another cdm i really like is claudio yacob who has been brilliant for west brom and imo is one of the main reason of their highly successful season.

They aren't holding midfielders, but they are better in the role, they play very fluidly.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Mikels role isn't needed, i think we need a proper defensive midfielder, like Lucas was for Liverpool last season. Like Sandro is now for Spurs, it's a shame really because them two players are currently injured, but fantastic players regardless. Then a CM, but I'm looking forward to De Bruyne, that's if he comes back next season, he might stay two years, but anyway like a Mikel Arteta sort of player for Arsenal.

What fucking use is Mikel exactly? what's the point in finding some use for him when it's very unlikely when we could simply just get new players. And so we should anyway, he's never flourished, when Essien went, he never flourishes, he's never actually got that fucking top on and proved he deserves to wear it. He doesn't put consistent performances in, he has a few moments then fucks up, what sort of lame excuse of a player is this?.

Time to actually get some guns, rather than sticking with players like that, he's not good enough and the sooner you accept it the better.

Carrick,sandro,barry are all better then mikel.Mikel does not mark players that are making runs into the box he reads the game slow he simply does not dominate that midfield area the way a world class holding midfielder would.When was the last time you heard that mikel completely marked xyz out of the game.Like i said i still like mikel a lot he has a lot of qualities but he just is not world class.He is the type of player i would want in my squad but just not as a starter.

What Mikel offers is the most vital thing in both scoring goals and not conceding goals: The ability to keep possession. Mikel has ball retention skills that are second to none. He offers a constant outlet for teammates under pressure and then he has the skill to keep the ball and find a teammate with 90% accuracy.

Without a holding midfielder, all it takes is a little pressure on the the CBs and they are either forced to play long balls that we are unlikely to win or worse lose the ball. This is most evident in our home game against Swansea, but it has been a major concern in almost every match Mikel has missed.

On the defense, Mikel's discipline allows players to go forward and have more freedom be it Frank, Ramires or even Luiz when he plays at the back. His job is not to tackle and be aggressive which would leave spaces behind him, but rather to close down the channels and angles of passing and force the opponent to take the difficult pass. He does this extremely well.

[Backstreet09 499]

OH yeah with tiote its about the team and with Mikel its about.... him?

get Serious its ALWAYS about the team you act like a morron... nicethat you can mention the team as a whole when its about... well when its about a player you like and not Mikel...

ot of them all you named

Terry is Injured and whe have Cahill and Luiz... so what?

and Ash and Chech I accept but does it help Cabaye and Tiote if they're both very good players if the rest is shit?... ah I think I know the answer... NO...

Brana is not like brana anymore get real... dont know what it is with him

sorry don't use excuses ... because that argument of the team being shit is not allowed for mikel it hasn't to be allowed for anybody else... this is you're fault not mine... you've startet argueing like that...

Are you even serious ? Like if mikel was any good and one of our defenders was having a bad night , he would have cover that . Plus he does nothing except slowing the tempo , killing the time and passing back all the time . And yeah if he was any good , I mean a little good he would had atleast shut rodwell . It's shambolic how easy rodwell owned him last night -__-

[The only place to be 11,313]

Here's the thing with the DM position in this league - no-one plays such a similar role to Mikel. I'd throw in Carrick or Scottie Parker's name but by Choulo's narrow description of what a DM should be they're probably be too creative.

To be honest I'm fucking bored of arguing about him. But that's the thing - he's the most divisive player we have and for some reason there's a couple of people on the internet willing to make any fucking excuse for him. They see something we mere mortals don't.

[Kojo 4,676]

What Mikel offers is the most vital thing in both scoring goals and not conceding goals: The ability to keep possession. Mikel has ball retention skills that are second to none. He offers a constant outlet for teammates under pressure and then he has the skill to keep the ball and find a teammate with 90% accuracy.

Without a holding midfielder, all it takes is a little pressure on the the CBs and they are either forced to play long balls that we are unlikely to win or worse lose the ball. This is most evident in our home game against Swansea, but it has been a major concern in almost every match Mikel has missed.

On the defense, Mikel's discipline allows players to go forward and have more freedom be it Frank, Ramires or even Luiz when he plays at the back. His job is not to tackle and be aggressive which would leave spaces behind him, but rather to close down the channels and angles of passing and force the opponent to take the difficult pass. He does this extremely well.

No, you're praising him for so little, it was like when Liverpool at first where praising Andy Carroll for all the work rate he did, and all the small bits, when really he was just not good enough at all.

What Mikel is doing there, is the type of stuff Sandro like that do for fun, they are different players but Sandro taking pressure off other players is the thing what people wont even mention, because he does other things what make him so great. One day you will realise Mikel isn't good enough, i bet money on it, because theirs no way he will become even close to Michael Essien, what a poor replacement he really is.

[Kojo 4,676]

Here's the thing with the DM position in this league - no-one plays such a similar role to Mikel. I'd throw in Carrick or Scottie Parker's name but by Choulo's narrow description of what a DM should be they're probably be too creative.

To be honest I'm fucking bored of arguing about him. But that's the thing - he's the most divisive player we have and for some reason there's a couple of people on the internet willing to make any fucking excuse for him. They see something we mere mortals don't.

Well I'll be honest, i don't like you or most of your posts, but you sum this up much better than i do.

I've never known any player so protected in all my life, even worse than the Torres fanboys, how people can say Mikel is the most bullied and hated player is just damn right stupid. When we win games It's Mikel who gets all the credit for it, even though he did nothing, when we lose games everyone defends him. I was on my own on this about a few month ago, now more people are coming to realise that Mikel is shit, and soon i hope everyone will.

But coming to see such blind people, it seems that it will never happen.

[Korea 734]

LOl. I'm kind of surprised you guys rate Mikel, when in the past you guys had players like prime Essien and Ballack.

[Kojo 4,676]

LOl. I'm kind of surprised you guys rate Mikel, when in the past you guys had players like prime Essien and Ballack.

Exactly, it's a disgrace that some people think Mikel is a worthy replacement, Essien was like a god in his prime, A BIG FUCKING GOD MAN.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

No, you're praising him for so little, it was like when Liverpool at first where praising Andy Carroll for all the work rate he did, and all the small bits, when really he was just not good enough at all.

What Mikel is doing there, is the type of stuff Sandro like that do for fun, they are different players but Sandro taking pressure off other players is the thing what people wont even mention, because he does other things what make him so great. One day you will realise Mikel isn't good enough, i bet money on it, because theirs no way he will become even close to Michael Essien, what a poor replacement he really is.

This obviously isn't going anywhere. Let's just agree to disagree on Mikel.

LOl. I'm kind of surprised you guys rate Mikel, when in the past you guys had players like prime Essien and Ballack.

Exactly! That is exactly the problem: People want Mikel to be either a box-to-box midfielder (Essien) or an attacking midfielder (Ballack). And both those players come once every few decades. If you want to judge people by standards that high, you'd probably only leave Cech and Mata in your team. Thankfully all of our managers can see that Mikel does his job very well.

[The only place to be 11,313]

This obviously isn't going anywhere. Let's just agree to disagree on Mikel.

Exactly! That is exactly the problem: People want Mikel to be either a box-to-box midfielder (Essien) or an attacking midfielder (Ballack). And both those players come once every few decades. If you want to judge people by standards that high, you'd probably only leave Cech and Mata in your team. Thankfully all of our managers can see that Mikel does his job very well.

You mean the ones who got sacked for underperforming?

Now he's just got to convince the people who pay their hard-earned money to support the club week in and week out.

[AndersonBLUE 819]

This is an opinion i can live with but and youre welcome but just calling a Player Shit and Not Worth a place on a biased opinion makes me feel sick because you can clearly See where it comes from

lol were you drunk when you wrote this? I was just saying Mikel is an average player, not shit, not amazing. A good squad member to have.

[Clevemayer 764]

lol were you drunk when you wrote this? I was just saying Mikel is an average player, not shit, not amazing. A good squad member to have.

No I was refering to OTHERS not you mate on this thread, I can fully live with you're opinion because this is not a bashing this an opinion seemingly based on accepting he is good enough fo the squad but not you're first choice...

[Clevemayer 764]

You mean the ones who got sacked for underperforming?

Now he's just got to convince the people who pay their hard-earned money to support the club week in and week out.

No we mean Mourinho whom all refert to as the greatest one this club has seen ever.

we refer to Ancelotti whom called Mikel the only player he would compare to himself whilst playing in Europe and whom won the double (Ancelotti was not a bad player if I should mention this to you)

we refer to Hiddink whom played Mikel in crucial games as theaway leg in Camp Nou

we refer to Wilkins who gave mikel massiv credit when he was assistant

and yeah they all get sacked or left us but what has this to do with mikel? I hold the players as a group in regret for this especially some senior members... there you go again... Mikel is at fault that every good manager we had was sacked...

But as an fan whom came over here when ballack did so I dont expect any better from... seriously...

[kellzfresh 7,229]

There are 3 types of DM, deeplying playmaker, box to box and sitting DM.

Deep lying playmakers are xavi, pirlo, benat, modric,- they are allowed mobility and control the tempo of the whole team

Box to box are vidal khedira, ramires, sandro, essien. - They enter challenges frequently and their energy help the rest of the team in defensive situations.

sitting DM are xabi alonso, schweinstiger, javi martinez, busquets, carrick, mikel - They are good on the ball, threat from outside the 18box with shots, spray long balls to the attacking wings and can tackle

Mikel is in the sitting DM position but lacks shooting and long range passing to spread the play. I think thats the main problem

[Clevemayer 764]

There are 3 types of DM, deeplying playmaker, box to box and sitting DM.

Deep lying playmakers are xavi, pirlo, benat, modric,- they are allowed mobility and control the tempo of the whole team

Box to box are vidal khedira, ramires, sandro, essien. - They enter challenges frequently and their energy help the rest of the team in defensive situations.

sitting DM are xabi alonso, schweinstiger, javi martinez, busquets, carrick, mikel - They are good on the ball, threat from outside the 18box with shots, spray long balls to the attacking wings and can tackle

Mikel is in the sitting DM position but lacks shooting and long range passing to spread the play. I think thats the main problem

And like we've seen he has that range of long balls I don't understand why he doesn't do it, if its the coaches advice?

Mikel was praised from mourinho for his long passes saying he is incredible play'n forty meter passes inchperfekt... look at his pass from our own half to mata against city... and many others he does from time to time... he cand o it and thats what I'm always reffering to when I say all he needs is to get his ass kicked... he always gets praises from the managers seemingly... I would get an very good DM he could have competition with...

He shoots as hard as an ochs just look at some of his shots he does... e. g. his shots against the crossbar or which go inches wide... and he doesn't do this, I just don't know why... because I think he can be a real addet threat on goal if he does this...

nontheless he is not the best thing since sliced bread but so is neither DM I can see at the moment...

The only thing that annoys me from time to time is his work ethic, if it wasn't for his perfect sence to close play down and intercept attacks I would kill him, he's not a player to track back very often... I was very surprised and pleased when he yesterday tracked the whole pitch back to nick the ball off agüero I think it was him... in the 16 yard box 2 times...

so he has his flaws but it's nothing he can't do... he just doesn't do it...

[Shaan 263]

Gary Cahill : “I had way too much [to
do]. Normally at a big club, in a game you probably get asked to do three or
four important things in a game. [Against City] we probably had 20 or 25.
Unfortunately, if you keep getting asked the question, ultimately there’s
going to be a goal.”

This is what happens when a team plays with two makeshift dms Mikel and lamps... one who cant defend and one who doesn't defend....its not hard to imagine the opposition will get more chances...also not helped by the fact mikel more often than not gives simple passes backwards creating pressure on our own defenders...

we really need some hard working mobile midfielders who can pass forward quickly towards our attackers and mantain our counter-attacking style of play....

[Jype 6,398]

Gary Cahill : “I had way too much [to

do]. Normally at a big club, in a game you probably get asked to do three or

four important things in a game. [Against City] we probably had 20 or 25.

Unfortunately, if you keep getting asked the question, ultimately there’s

going to be a goal.”

This is what happens when a team plays with two makeshift dms Mikel and lamps... one who cant defend and one who doesn't defend....its not hard to imagine the opposition will get more chances...also not helped by the fact mikel more often than not gives simple passes backwards creating pressure on our own defenders...

we really need some hard working mobile midfielders who can pass forward quickly towards our attackers and mantain our counter-attacking style of play....

Mikel doesn't defend? Now I've seen it all.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

You mean the ones who got sacked for underperforming?

Now he's just got to convince the people who pay their hard-earned money to support the club week in and week out.

No he doesn't. The manager picks the team. He is given that job because he is better at that than fans or else all teams would hire fans instead of managers. Would be much cheaper at least..

[CHOULO19 24,332]

There are 3 types of DM, deeplying playmaker, box to box and sitting DM.

Deep lying playmakers are xavi, pirlo, benat, modric,- they are allowed mobility and control the tempo of the whole team

Box to box are vidal khedira, ramires, sandro, essien. - They enter challenges frequently and their energy help the rest of the team in defensive situations.

sitting DM are xabi alonso, schweinstiger, javi martinez, busquets, carrick, mikel - They are good on the ball, threat from outside the 18box with shots, spray long balls to the attacking wings and can tackle

Mikel is in the sitting DM position but lacks shooting and long range passing to spread the play. I think thats the main problem

That is an absolute myth. Mikel's range of passing is much better than people give him credit for but a pass takes two players: the passes and the receiver. Go back to 09-10 when we actually had proper movement among the forwards, Mikel played the most long balls on a regular basis. He certainly has the ability. Just look at the Sparta game for example; Mikel completed and astounding 12/13 long balls, at least twice as much as any outfield player.

[Shaan 263]

Mikel doesn't defend? Now I've seen it all.

I said one who cant defend mate not doesn't defend...

Still Maybe I exaggerated beyond a little there but the fact remains there he is not a quality level of dm to be a starter for us simple...