kellzfresh 7,229 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 If mikel plays in the pivot with matic, he may be allowed to boom forward and we will see his natural game play. He has never/rarely been the more attacking CM in chelsea. If he plays with matic and is afforded that freedom, I bet people will be shocked at what he can do. Beigl and The only place to be 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_juan 64 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 If mikel plays in the pivot with matic, he may be allowed to boom forward and we will see his natural game play. He has never/rarely been the more attacking CM in chelsea. If he plays with matic and is afforded that freedom, I bet people will be shocked at what he can do.HahahahhahaMikel's limitations are because of lack of ability/desire and not 'role' in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 ^So now that Phil's gone, how's this guy still here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 If mikel plays in the pivot with matic, he may be allowed to boom forward and we will see his natural game play. He has never/rarely been the more attacking CM in chelsea. If he plays with matic and is afforded that freedom, I bet people will be shocked at what he can do.I never liked Mikel as part of the spine of the team because I really don't think he's someone you can rely on in tough situations and I've rarely seen him dominate. Hopefully Matic becomes that leader in midfield for us and Mikel can go alongside him freed up from a fair amount of responsibility so he can express himself more.It could be the making of him, or it'll simply underline how unnecessary he is. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I never liked Mikel as part of the spine of the team because I really don't think he's someone you can rely on in tough situations and I've rarely seen him dominate. Hopefully Matic becomes that leader in midfield for us and Mikel can go alongside him freed up from a fair amount of responsibility so he can express himself more.It could be the making of him, or it'll simply underline how unnecessary he is.Exactly. He was a central midfielder before he joined us so I feel he has never played his natural position. Even when paired with luiz, luiz goes forward and he stays back. Matic staying as the DM will show Mikels true abilities or weakness.HahahahhahaMikel's limitations are because of lack of ability/desire and not 'role' in the team.The role also helps. He is a boss for nigeria, because he plays the role lampard is playing for us. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_juan 64 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 The role also helps. He is a boss for nigeria, because he plays the role lampard is playing for us.Chelsea compete at a whole different level compared to Nigeria. Lets not even start those comparisons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Chelsea compete at a whole different level compared to Nigeria. Lets not even start those comparisons.Don't go off topic on the point I'm making. I didn't say Nigeria > chelsea.Its the position of play that suits him in my opinion. Lampard plays far better as a CM in a 4-3-3 the same way mikel will play far better as a CM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Mikel and Anderson: victims of a distrust of creativity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_juan 64 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Don't go off topic on the point I'm making. I didn't say Nigeria > chelsea.Its the position of play that suits him in my opinion. Lampard plays far better as a CM in a 4-3-3 the same way mikel will play far better as a CM.How did I go off topic there? You are the one thay brought in his performances for nigerian NT. Having trouble understanding English? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 If mikel plays in the pivot with matic, he may be allowed to boom forward and we will see his natural game play. He has never/rarely been the more attacking CM in chelsea. If he plays with matic and is afforded that freedom, I bet people will be shocked at what he can do.I think the point of getting Matic was that Jose wants a dynamic pivot for his pressing system. So I think that the starting pivot players will be Ramirs and Matic. That said, I think Mikel will continue to play the role he's played since the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 17, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted January 17, 2014 I think the point of getting Matic was that Jose wants a dynamic pivot for his pressing system. So I think that the starting pivot players will be Ramirs and Matic. That said, I think Mikel will continue to play the role he's played since the start of the season. I think this gives Mikel a fresh start in some ways. He won't have to shoulder all of the responsibility of holding in front of the defence because Matic seems more than capable of doing that. I'm excited to see how they play together because they could be a dynamic midfield pairing who can control the ball and get forward too. kellzfresh, Ainsley Harriott, Sir Mikel OBE and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Mikel and Anderson: victims of a distrust of creativityI was thinking about this the other day....Not with Mikel so much, but with Anderson. had he went to a team that would of utilized him properly, what would he eventually had become... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I think this gives Mikel a fresh start in some ways. He won't have to shoulder all of the responsibility of holding in front of the defence because Matic seems more than capable of doing that. I'm excited to see how they play together because they could be a dynamic midfield pairing who can control the ball and get forward too.I hope you're right. I think in theory the two can make a fantastic pivot. Very solid defensively, and strong physically. Both can pass with great accuracy and both rarely if ever lose the ball. Let's hope that reality complies with theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 How did I go off topic there? You are the one thay brought in his performances for nigerian NT. Having trouble understanding English?I said he is forced to be a DM here but plays in a different position (CM) for Nigeria. You say Nigeria is not comparable to Chelsea... Where did that come from? I think the point of getting Matic was that Jose wants a dynamic pivot for his pressing system. So I think that the starting pivot players will be Ramirs and Matic. That said, I think Mikel will continue to play the role he's played since the start of the season. Yes it could as well be ramires-matic but situations like injury can come up and force mourinho to play both matic and mikel, giving mikel more license to go forward knowing matic back.I think this gives Mikel a fresh start in some ways. He won't have to shoulder all of the responsibility of holding in front of the defence because Matic seems more than capable of doing that. I'm excited to see how they play together because they could be a dynamic midfield pairing who can control the ball and get forward too.This is exactly what I mean... Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 very good read: http://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/3883/features/2014/01/17/4548754/does-matic-signing-spell-the-end-of-mikels-chelsea-stay couldn't agree more with this bit: Stats-wise, his contributions are not remarkable. African midfielders such as Cheick Tiote, Karim El Ahmadi and Victor Wanyama have all averaged over twice as many tackles-per-game as Mikel—in fact, John Obi doesn’t even make the Premier League’s top 100 in this category. Most impressive, perhaps, is his pass-completion average of 89.8%.This makes him one of the EPL’s top 20 most-consistent passers, although his impact for Chelsea is not as marked as it is for Nigeria. He makes, on average, one key pass every three games and, to date, has made only one assist all season. Finally his passing is put in perspective. I personally believe he will never be able to reproduce what he does for Nigeria - which wouldn't be good enough for chelsea anyway. Matic and Mikel in the Pivot would make it a very slow "pivot" indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachikethas 1,154 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 a great user comment from the article mentioned above"Ed Dove please save us this your rubbish write-up, because you know nothing about football. For your information Joe Cole, Raul Meireles, Lassana Diarra, Michael Ballack, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Steve Sidwell, Deco, Oriol Romeu, Michael Essien, Claude Makélélé, Michael Mancienne, Mineiro, Yuri Zhirkov, Yossi Benayoun, Ramires even the so called Nemanja Matić..... still John Obi Mikel got 301 chelsea appearances. we all know knows this is not a fluke. " didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 a great user comment from the article mentioned above"Ed Dove please save us this your rubbish write-up, because you know nothing about football. For your information Joe Cole, Raul Meireles, Lassana Diarra, Michael Ballack, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Steve Sidwell, Deco, Oriol Romeu, Michael Essien, Claude Makélélé, Michael Mancienne, Mineiro, Yuri Zhirkov, Yossi Benayoun, Ramires even the so called Nemanja Matić..... still John Obi Mikel got 301 chelsea appearances. we all know knows this is not a fluke. "Yeah I too think that people who proclaim "facts" like his pass accuracy, or how many "appearances" he's got, know absolutely nothing of football; but I normally keep that to myself, and focus on specific points.If the fact Chelsea signed Matic, and before that have employed Luiz in midfield a number of times (esp in big matches), does not tell you what role Mikel has in the squad, I really think nothing else will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachikethas 1,154 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Yeah I too think that people who proclaim "facts" like his pass accuracy, or how many "appearances" he's got, know absolutely nothing of football; but I normally keep that to myself, and focus on specific points.If the fact Chelsea signed Matic, and before that have employed Luiz in midfield a number of times (esp in big matches), does not tell you what role Mikel has in the squad, I really think nothing else will.i wouldnt call a match against united big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 i wouldnt call a match against united big Nah... mid table United?! Would everton be a big match then?You are probably talking about the away game I suppose - that (draw) was a bad result as small sides have won there.Yes, Jose was playing Mikel some start of the season, so he got a run of games, but he hasn't had many *starts* lately. I thought he only had 8 starts in how many matches?I'm confused though. Do you really think Mikel is going to play more now that we've got Matic?! Reckon we'd not have gotten Matic if Jose and Chelsea had confidence in Mikel as a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachikethas 1,154 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Nah... mid table United?! Would everton be a big match then?You are probably talking about the away game I suppose - that (draw) was a bad result as small sides have won there.Yes, Jose was playing Mikel some start of the season, so he got a run of games, but he hasn't had many *starts* lately. I thought he only had 8 starts in how many matches?I'm confused though. Do you really think Mikel is going to play more now that we've got Matic?! Reckon we'd not have gotten Matic if Jose and Chelsea had confidence in Mikel as a starter.i dont belive matic is gona start every match for mikel he can also rotate for ramires(i mean mikel-matic pairing is possible). but only time will tell.what i dont agree is that is mikel gona thrown away like that article is suggesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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