CHOULO19 24,332 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I expect we won't see the Mikel lovers until his next 'amazing performace' sometime next year....Nop, still here. I didn't watch the match so I can't comment on his performance. But seeing as we conceded two and only managed to have 4 shots on target against Southampton, I'm guessing we had bigger problems than Mikel today.You can go on bashing Mikel all you want, which I'm sure you'll do, but fact is he will still be there on Monday starting against utd as will he still be in the starting lineup next season. Manuf and Amblève. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 The last 9 games that John Obi Mikel started in the Premier League, Chelsea have won 1, drawn 3 and lost 5. A grand total of 6 points in those 9 games. #CFCAnd i bet now is the moment we aren't allowed to use stats to support our opinion, lmao the irony if someone actually says this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Nop, still here. I didn't watch the match so I can't comment on his performance. But seeing as we conceded two and only managed to have 4 shots on target against Southampton, I'm guessing we had bigger problems than Mikel today.You can go on bashing Mikel all you want, which I'm sure you'll do, but fact is he will still be there on Monday starting against utd as will he still be in the starting lineup next season. I swear you feel like you've manouvred yourself into a position where you'd rather be right about Mikel being in the team than seeing Chelsea do well. You're starting to sound like Backstreet sounds about Torres.BTW, why watch the match - he had 84% pass completion. That's good enough to vote for him as MOTM isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I literally can not comprehend how badly he played today. His positioning literally made me angry. Maybe one of his worst performances.Mikel can be a great player. CAN. He seems to excel in a three man midfield, when the team is playing slower more deliberate football. If the team wants to be an attacking expansive sort of side, Mikel isn't the type of player that can do the job. If the teams wants to play rigid, disciplined football, he is the man we want in the side, one of the better players for this style. Make a choice, he just can't cut it at a high tempo all guns blazing style.He is a water carrier, an anchor man. A type of player that is being phased out of world football. The Mak, Peace. and laura90 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Mak 4,459 Posted March 30, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted March 30, 2013 Nop, still here. I didn't watch the match so I can't comment on his performance. But seeing as we conceded two and only managed to have 4 shots on target against Southampton, I'm guessing we had bigger problems than Mikel today.You can go on bashing Mikel all you want, which I'm sure you'll do, but fact is he will still be there on Monday starting against utd as will he still be in the starting lineup next season. Not bashing at all mate, just taking the piss out of some who got completely carried away with ONE really good performance, that's all.We also just differ on what we believe a CDM should do. You believe he should keep it nice and simple and protect the back four, I believe, at this level, he should be able to do that and more, i.e. have pace/quick decision making/good passing range. Mikel couldn't even do the simple stuff today against a team fighting relegation. Kojo, Blue Armour, The only place to be and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Right, I can reply by saying that you would rather see Chelsea fail when Mikel plays just to feel you are right, but that's a completely pointless argument.PS: Just for the record, I've been on this forum for about two season and as far as I can remember, I voted Mikel as MOTM on two occasions only. Sorry if that doesn't fit the image of me you're trying to paint.The image I'm trying to paint is of someone who has ignored the performances Mikel has put in on the pitch and defended him blindly for fuck know's what reason.People are frustrated with his lacklustre performances and you mock them by saying that 'he'll be in the team next season'. You've nailed your colours to his mast and seem unable to admit you were wrong. The Mak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pHaRaOn 2,131 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Mikel-Lampard partnership in double pivot - utopia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Not bashing at all mate, just taking the piss out of some who got completely carried away with ONE really good performance, that's all.We also just differ on what we believe a CDM should do. You believe he should keep it nice and simple and protect the back four, I believe, at this level, he should be able to do that and more, i.e. have pace/quick decision making/good passing range. Mikel couldn't even do the simple stuff against a team fighting relegation. I agree that a CDM should be dynamic. I for one want a player like Cambiasso was as a younger man. He was incredibly dynamic and criminally underrated. He has/had sublime technique, positioning and tackling. He and Makelele were the defining CDMs of the 00s. Two very different players also. The Mak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I agree that a CDM should be dynamic. I for one want a player like Cambiasso was as a younger man. He was incredibly dynamic and criminally underrated. He has/had sublime technique, positioning and tackling. He and Makelele were the defining CDMs of the 00s. Two very different players also.Agreed mate. I also agree about the 3-man-midfield. This is what I was trying to say when I suggested a 4-3-3 or a 4-3-2-1, much more time and space for the more, let's say, laboured CDM. I think Romeu would fit that category too.But this 4-2-3-1 is heavily reliant on quick movement, passing and quick everything really, which I don't feel Mikel is suited to whatsoever. He had an amazing game against United, but they let us have the ball and, with Ramires as more of a CM, Mikel was the only CDM in that match really - making it more akin to a 3 man midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaan 263 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Right, I can reply by saying that you would rather see Chelsea fail when Mikel plays just to feel you are right, but that's a completely pointless argument.PS: Just for the record, I've been on this forum for about two season and as far as I can remember, I voted Mikel as MOTM on two occasions only. Sorry if that doesn't fit the image of me you're trying to paint.And how many times have you liked almost each and every post in this thread that is in favor of Mikel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I've said even at the end of last season he's not good enough, defensive midfielders MUST be consistent, we can't just have on and off.He's also very limited in abillity, but no doubt when our team wins he will be the one who gets highly praised out of the rest of the team. Choulo said Mikel proven everyone wrong after the United game, despite the rest of the team also having the front foot. But no as usual he gives Mikel all the credit, and just wait for it, he will be in another game when we win 4-0 or something and Choulo will strike again. Shaan, The Mak and Backstreet09 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I don't rate this fella highly at all. and by the way you can shot any stat, game or even contribution at me, he simply is one of the most limited players I have seen for a long time, that and he has the turning circle of a truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I don't rate this fella highly at all. and by the way you can shot any stat, game or even contribution at me, he simply is one of the most limited players I have seen for a long time, that and he has the turning circle of a truck.I think you're ignoring his 84% pass completion stat. Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I think you're ignoring his 84% pass completion stat. Yeah he's good at two yard passes to Terry and ten yarders to Cech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 The image I'm trying to paint is of someone who has ignored the performances Mikel has put in on the pitch and defended him blindly for fuck know's what reason.People are frustrated with his lacklustre performances and you mock them by saying that 'he'll be in the team next season'. You've nailed your colours to his mast and seem unable to admit you were wrong.You're completely right. And same goes for every Chelsea manager for the last 7-8 seasons. In fact, those managers were not hired by Roman, they were hired by Mikel so they would play him despite every one knowing he's completely shit.. Manuf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Just not dynamic enough, especially on the defensive end. Solid player and unfairly criticised but time to cut our losses in my opinion. English Freak, The only place to be, Peace. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backstreet09 499 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 HE'S FUCKING USELESS, CALL ME A RACIST BASTARD OR ANYTHING . BUT HE HAS NO TALENT OR SKILL WHATSOEVER. Kojo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 You're completely right. And same goes for every Chelsea manager for the last 7-8 seasons. In fact, those managers were not hired by Roman, they were hired by Mikel so they would play him despite every one knowing he's completely shit..He's not completely shit, but he's not good enough for us. You'll note that each of those managers has been sacked, although I think it's entirely irrelevant. He's a decisive player, who looks great on the stats sheet but fails to convince so many supporters in games. His supporters like to imply that he's underrated or that what he does is so subtle, so magical and mysterious that mere mortals fail to recognise his talents.He's just an average player who has managed to get a lot of appearances at this club, but fortunately we have players coming through who are going to surplant him in the near future. I personally can't wait for that day. Peace., Blue Armour and The Mak 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Mikel-Lampard partnership in double pivot - utopia.A nightmare against teams that press them.They can't carry the ball, they are so slow to turn. Some good midfielders have no pace either but they have some tricks to put their markers in the wrong path. The Mak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 this thread is hilarious. we had 2 useless wingers, 2 fullbacks u had a horrendous match, a striker who dint win a single aerial challenge when i think we might have punted about 20-30 balls from the defense, a center back who has continously been falling in standards (ivanovic), a center attacking midfielder whole role should have been to be a link up between the pivot and the forward but instead he (oscar) got what 5-10 useful touches all match long, a manager who put a 2nd string team for the no.1 priority match and trusted in a already known fucked up pivot of lamps-mikel and yet if u read the last 2 pages of this thread u would feel mikel was the soul reason for this shambolic performance and defeat.mikel might not be good enough for chelsea's supposed ambition but this is absolutely ridiculous. The Skipper, Amblève. and Manuf 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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