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[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

1 minute ago, Vesper said:

yes

hate to say it, but Willian, if not injured, would have helped a lot in the 2nd half versus the washed up Pedro

Pedro has a cracker every now and then, but on a consistent basis, he is general pretty poor, his race is run

Yeah, Pedro has to go in the summer. 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

8 minutes ago, Vesper said:

4th is still possible, Spuds probably wrapped up 3rd now, as they can now loss 1, win 3 and still go through on GD against us, I cannot see them dropping more than 2 or 3 points versus the teams they play, if they did get 2 draws, or a loss and a draw, we would, if we win out, be 3rd or 4th guaranteed

we MUST win v Manure

and now we need for sure to Arse to LOSE one of their 4 remaining games

this was not a complete disaster

it just removed Arse getting a draw as a way to 4th for us IF we win out, as if we win out and they win 3, draw 1, they beat us on GD (unless we go wild in goals, which is so not happening)

 

 

That's the problem us winning all of ours. Which based on recent performances isn't happening.. Europa atm is our level especially if we do have a ban. 

Then again even without a ban our transfers have hardly been amazing if late. 

[Vesper 30,193]

Mee was a monster tonight

no one else on the pitch was close to him on either side

played like prime Vidic or Terry almost

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

Losing Kante and CHO killed us. It really did. 

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

1 minute ago, Laylabelle said:

That's the problem us winning all of ours. Which based on recent performances isn't happening.. 

With Kante and Rudiger now injured we are not even making it to the Europa League. Wish this season could  just end now. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Losing Kante and CHO killed us. It really did. 

Kante yes because his energy is huge for us in midfield but disagree about Callum, not for the first game in the last few he was pretty ineffective. All for giving him a chance but you have to hold every player to the same standards and he wasnt anything more than ordinary. Neither were Pedro or Willian but again if they had played that first half it would be same things said.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Just now, OneMoSalah said:

Kante yes but disagree about Callum, not for the first game in the last few he was pretty ineffective. All for giving him a chance but you have to hold every player to the same standards and he wasnt anything more than ordinary.

We actually missed Willian. If Willian is injured I hope he moves RLC to the RW he is better than Pedro who is just a clown at this point.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

Just now, OneMoSalah said:

Kante yes but disagree about Callum, not for the first game in the last few he was pretty ineffective. All for giving him a chance but you have to hold every player to the same standards and he wasnt anything more than ordinary.

I disagree completely. He was taking players on and offered a direct style of play. It may have been ineffective, but it kept Burnley on their feet. It's no wonder Dave looks better with CHO vs Pedro and Willian. 

Pedro comes on, we lose all that direct attacking play. Instead, Pedro recycles it back to the midfield every time. This in turn makes our right side so utterly predictable and all Burnley have to focus on is marking Giroud and Hazard. 

[manpe 10,861]

I was wondering why Kante was subbed, didn't make any sense. Injured you say? NOOOOOOOOO  How serious?

[Laylabelle 9,535]

3 minutes ago, Vybz Kartel said:

With Kante and Rudiger now injured we are not even making it to the Europa League. Wish this season could  just end now. 

Its has felt like a really long slightly testing season.. And still going 

[Vesper 30,193]

Just now, Laylabelle said:

That's the problem us winning all of ours. Which based on recent performances isn't happening.. 

even if we had won thsi, we still basically needed to win out to guarantee CL via 4th

if all 3 teams (us, Arse and the yids all won out, including us tonight) we still would have finished 5th on GD to Arse, unless, like I said, we went wild in goals, but if they also had won out, their GD would have went to a plus 29 MINIMUM

lets say Eden had dumped in a 89th winner tonight

we would be at plus 22

we would have to hit plus 30 to grab 4th, as they have scored far more goals than us (that's the GD tie breaker) IF Arse only won by 1 in each of their last 4

even if we won the last 3 games by 2,2,and three, we would fail by the goals scored tie breaker

the odds of us winning the next 3 by an average of almost 3 a game is super unlikely

the main thing now is pretty simple

win the last 3 and Arse lose one of their 4, OR we win the EL or, best outcome, we do BOTH

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

3 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

Its has felt like a really long slightly testing season.. And still going 

I wish we were 8th so that we dont actually get Europa league.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

Not knowing the outcome of the transfer ban makes everything seem pointless almost. Stuck in limbo. 

 

[Vesper 30,193]

13 minutes ago, Vybz Kartel said:

With Kante and Rudiger now injured we are not even making it to the Europa League. Wish this season could  just end now. 

we are in the EL already, lolol

probably next year too, although I still think, as long as we beat Manure, we have a great shot at 4th, over Arse and perhaps can even beat Frankfurt and then Arse (or Valencia) in the final

Frankfurt are not that strong on defence, but Jovic and Haller, and Rebic terrify me

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Just now, Vesper said:

we are in the EL already, lolol

probably next year too, although I still think, as long as we beat Manure, we have a great shot at 4th, over Arse and perhaps can even beat Frankfurt and then Arse (or Valencia) in the final

Frankfurt are not that strong on defence, but Jovic and Haller  and Rebic terrify me

Nah we are done! We cant even beat Burnley on our own patch and you expect us to get 9 points from Watford, Leicester and Man Utd?? Not happening. Even the Europa League is done, we conceded 3 goals against farmers on our own ground, no way we win 3 games in Europa with that current defence. 

[Vesper 30,193]

12 minutes ago, manpe said:

I was wondering why Kante was subbed, didn't make any sense. Injured you say? NOOOOOOOOO  How serious?

his back, and we do not know how bad

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

17 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I disagree completely. He was taking players on and offered a direct style of play. It may have been ineffective, but it kept Burnley on their feet. It's no wonder Dave looks better with CHO vs Pedro and Willian. 

Pedro comes on, we lose all that direct attacking play. Instead, Pedro recycles it back to the midfield every time. This in turn makes our right side so utterly predictable and all Burnley have to focus on is marking Giroud and Hazard. 

Pedro ran in behind though. Burnley were happy to let us get the ball wide because they tucked in with a narrow back 4 and their wingers coming back to help their full backs, knowing all too well we would just cross it and thats their bread and butter, how many headers did we win inside the box? Callum or Eden barely made penetrating runs in behind their full backs or between their CB and FB, Pedro did 2 or 3 times and while nothing came of it, variation was needed, there was one he was arguably blocked off on that could have been a foul. Once we lost Kante we lost another guy who makes runs into the box at times, as his goal proves too. Burnley CBs would win the majority of any high balls coming in because thats how they play week in week out, packing the midfield, being compact, narrow, letting teams play through the wings and cross it.

[Vesper 30,193]

Just now, Vybz Kartel said:

Nah we are done! We cant even beat Burnley on our own patch and you expect us to get 9 points from Watford, Leicester and Man Utd?? Not happening. Even the Europa League is done, we conceded 3 goals against farmers on our own ground, no way we win 3 games in Europa with that current defence. 

explain how we are not in the EL

we are in the semis this year

and we have clinched at least 6th place and thus EL for next year, with CL still a possibility

the most any other non top 6 team can have is Watford at 61 points if they win out in last 4, we have 67 now

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29 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

CHO took players on and offered directness. 

Pedro recycled the ball to the midfield every time. 

Simple to analyse why our right side looked toothless that second half. 

That’s basically what I said: Odoi was having a decent game and Pedro had a poor game. Again, different times. Odoi would be having a good game if he was beating players with all that directness, he wasn’t. So while, I like the quick passing and movement, he wasn’t really influencing the game the way you may be suggesting, imo.

So, you are establishing causation where there is likely none, or very little. That was my point. The odds that odoi would’ve been better than Pedro are very high because we agree that he was. The odds that we’d have won the game had he stayed becomes a little more difficult to establish, and imo aren’t very good.

Even Eden was having trouble crossing the ball today, again, because of the opposition and the way they play.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Just now, Vesper said:

explain how we are not in the EL

we are in the semis this year

and we have clinched at least 6th place and thus EL for next year, with CL still a possibility

the most any other non top 6 team can have is Watford at 61 points if they win out in last 4, we have 67 now

No I meant we are done in the Top 4 race.