Vesper 30,175 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 3 hours ago, 1905didierblue said: Read what I have written about mount. Nothing seems to "fly over people's head". But irrespective of how good he is as a winger, he is still one of our best players and currently much better than pulisic. if you have issues with "fly over people's head" then take it up with the person that said it not me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Vesper said: if you have issues with "fly over people's head" then take it up with the person that said it not me The post dealt with your opinion too. Even as a winger he is a better option than PULI at this moment. Its not a question mark over puli's talent, its a way to give him time to adapt to the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 The way I see it I think the club wanted to make a big move on the American market, but now the young English core is the new flavour of the week, something that the club did not foresee I guess, hence Pulisic going way down the pecking order. I see a lot of bs on social media calling Lamps biased for playing all the English lads, well, I mean, what do you expect really? English club playing its own graduates, Chelsea through and through kids, ofc they are on every people's lips, even I am thrilled to see them in the first team and I am not even British, imagine just the enthusiasm of UK based fans. As a matter of fact I was so happy to see the line up v Lille I did not even notice Pulisic did not make the bench. Vesper, Vybz Kartel and Bosnian Blue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 hour ago, 1905didierblue said: The post dealt with your opinion too. Even as a winger he is a better option than PULI at this moment. Its not a question mark over puli's talent, its a way to give him time to adapt to the league. See what I mean @Vesper? Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 54 minutes ago, Jason said: See what I mean @Vesper? It should probably be "pointless". That's what crying over pulisic's game time is right now. In a game where we did not play a CaM, you wanted Frank to drop our best player so far? Specially after his performance from the wing against Brighton? Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 minute ago, 1905didierblue said: It should probably be "pointless". That's what crying over pulisic's game time is right now. In a game where we did not play a CaM, you wanted Frank to drop our best player so far? Specially after his performance from the wing against Brighton? Lol. Vesper wasn't even making any sort of comparison to Pulisic in that specific post. She was just saying Mount is better playing as an attacking midfielder rather than a winger, which is true if we want to utilize and maximize his talents in the long run. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Jason said: Vesper wasn't even making any sort of comparison to Pulisic in that specific post. She was just saying Mount is better playing as an attacking midfielder rather than a winger, which is true if we want to utilize and maximize his talents in the long run. I know, I said so myself in the post i linked. In a vaccum and an ideal world, thats exactly where mount would play. Unfortunately we dont live in such a world. When we go 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 (enough proof so far that lamps will be shifting from one formation to another), Puli will be contending for a spot with mount as well, which is what fans need to understand meaning unless he can defensively and creatively reach the output that mount gives us from out wide (not his optimum level but still pretty good), till then he will be on the bench sadly. Fans need to be patient with him, he has the talent which will shine through given time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermonkey92 1,428 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 On merit, he doesn't deserve it. Because you have to *compare* him to others. CHO scored against Grimsby, came on and was decent and lively against Brighton and then got an assist against lille (although to be fair the assist was mostly down to Willian's brilliance as opposed to a goal scoring chance created by CHO). Pedro works harder than Pulisic as does Willian. Reading back, everyone's in agreement he doesn't deserve a *start*. However, I think we are all in agreement that he *needs* minutes to improve? You know, 20 minutes at least. He's not getting that. That's problem. Another problem is that he's said Lampard hasn't really spoken to him on what to improve. There's training hard and then there's focusing on improvement. If he doesn't know what he's doing wrong and if he's not being told on what to improve what exactly is he supposed to change in training? Hope Lampard becomes more vocal with him and gives him more minutes as a sub. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk petre.ispirescu and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermonkey92 1,428 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Quick comment on mount, we are fucking atrocious in a 4231. Bottom line Is if we won't to go toe to toe with the top 6 We need kova (who's been great this season) Jorginho and Kante in the middle. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk petre.ispirescu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 11 hours ago, 1905didierblue said: The post dealt with your opinion too. Even as a winger he is a better option than PULI at this moment. Its not a question mark over puli's talent, its a way to give him time to adapt to the league. my post was about Mount I do not think it fair to toss Mount in as a potential block to Pulisic at winger yes, it is my opinion, but if we are going to ramrod in Mount as simply a winger for years, we are wasting the lad's talents my entire thoughts on Pulisic from the beginning was that he was a cynical marketing ploy buy I am on record here saying that multiple times I painstakingly went through and showed his lack of production, for the most part, at Dortmund, especially in terms of goals scored I am willing to go out on a limb, as I did back then, and call it a poor buy, at least so far I DO hope he comes good and proves me wrong, I truly do Also, now that we DID shit out £58m on him, we damn well had better try and play him a lot more than he is getting of late, especially in Euro games and cup ties again, my opinion, but it is madness to not even dress him for the Lille game and to carry THREE strikers on the match day squad (when we only play one at a time in the formations Lamps seems to have settled upon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 I will tell you the two teams laughing all the way to the bank off just 3 players Dortmund and Lille over a quarter of billion pounds for Pepe, Puli, and Dembele all three who have been busts so far killer1257 and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Vesper said: I will tell you the two teams laughing all the way to the bank off just 3 players Dortmund and Lille over a quarter of billion pounds for Pepe, Puli, and Dembele all three who have been busts so far I think that Dembele can easily become world class though. He has all the talent in the world. He only needs discipline and play for a team that does not have Messi in it. He as a right winger is always dangerous, even when he does not score goals , he will be dangerous with his dribblings. Right now, he is very wasteful when he shoots on target and he may lack in confidence, he may lack in quality training but he will get it eventually right. Puli does not have that kind of talent like Dembele has. Supermonkey92, Vesper and 11Drogba 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, Vesper said: again, my opinion, but it is madness to not even dress him for the Lille game and to carry THREE strikers on the match day squad (when we only play one at a time in the formations Lamps seems to have settled upon) I think that Lamps has the problem that he needs to make Giroud and Batsman happy. Both are big names and Pulisic is just a talent. Giroud is a starter for france and he is a world cup winner. Batsman had some successful loans here and there and seems like a confident guy. Pulisic was not a starter last season at Dortmund, he seems not that confident to me at least and he is not that established in world footbal either. It will get worse for Pulisic in the next couple of months because RLC is coming back and he is a monster. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, killer1257 said: I think that Lamps has the problem that he needs to make Giroud and Batsman happy. Both are big names and Pulisic is just a talent. Giroud is a starter for france and he is a world cup winner. Batsman had some successful loans here and there and seems like a confident guy. Pulisic was not a starter last season at Dortmund, he seems not that confident to me at least and he is not that established in world footbal either. It will get worse for Pulisic in the next couple of months because RLC is coming back and he is a monster. people are probably going to lose their minds over this, but maybe we should loan Pulisic out to another EPL club (one where he is starting every or most games) for the 2nd half of the season then take a season-end reconnoitre and perhaps loan him out again or maybe even sell him with a buy-back clause (would much prefer a loan) Crystal Palace would be perfect London, not a threat, and they have SHIT for wingers other than Zaha, plus Roy is a good teacher and a grandfatherly type who can help Puli with his confidence killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, Vesper said: people are probably going to lose their minds over this, but maybe we should loan Pulisic out to another EPL club (one where he is starting every or most games) for the 2nd half of the season then take a season-end reconnoitre and perhaps loan him out again or maybe even sell him with a buy-back clause (would much prefer a loan) Crystal Palace would be perfect London, not a threat, and they have SHIT for wingers other than Zaha, plus Roy is a good teacher and a grandfatherly type who can help Puli with his confidence Actually, it is a decent plan. Wouldn´t mind if Chelsea actually pushed for a loan for Pulisic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutch 84 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 There’s really no reason why Pulisic isn’t playing or didn’t even make the bench in midweek, he is a very good player when healthy and can really help us. He has over 100 matches for Dortmund, 30 in the Champions league. He’s torn Marcelo a new one in two matches. Tore Athletico apart last year, always was Dortmund’s best player vs Bayern. He was one of our better players in preseason. Its also a myth that Sancho took his spot at Dortmund last year, he played very well at the beginning of the season got hurt, was reintegrated back in the team, worked his way back from injury. Then him and Sancho were the starters, Pulisic was actually outshowing him the last few games of the season. The only thing I can think of is he is slight and has an injury history, maybe they are building up his body to handle the premier league. Something is not adding up. This would be a Salah type mistake loaning him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutch 84 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 hour ago, killer1257 said: I think that Dembele can easily become world class though. He has all the talent in the world. He only needs discipline and play for a team that does not have Messi in it. He as a right winger is always dangerous, even when he does not score goals , he will be dangerous with his dribblings. Right now, he is very wasteful when he shoots on target and he may lack in confidence, he may lack in quality training but he will get it eventually right. Puli does not have that kind of talent like Dembele has. Dembele maybe one of the most overrated players out there. For every game he has w a goal or a mazy run there’s two or three more where he looks like he forgot how to play football. Talented player, lost mentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alabama 1,992 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Welcome to TC... Where first few months of a player in a new league is enough to truly evaluate the potential of the player despite the loads of potential the player has... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 23 hours ago, Jason said: The ESPN agenda on this is ridiculous. They ran another video discussion on this TODAY...making it like 3-4 videos this past week! Is it really more of an agenda other than every other press on earth? An American media outlet thinks that the best american player, who isnt good enough currently to play at the club hes at, should go to a place where he will get more consistent gametime. That is fair communicate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,051 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Is it really more of an agenda other than every other press on earth? An American media outlet thinks that the best american player, who isnt good enough currently to play at the club hes at, should go to a place where he will get more consistent gametime. That is fair[emoji4]As they stated, they can't remember someone being talk about so much that isn't starting. This isn't Messi we're talking about, but someone that was fazed out at a lesser club. In addition, they should be encouraging him to put his head down & fight rather than jumping ship ASAP (USA aren't in the Euros). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.