Jorginho

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SHEARER SLAMS JORGINHO V WOLVES

https://thisisfutbol.com/2019/03/blogs/shearer-slams-jorginho-v-wolves/

Kinda echoing the repetitive narrative...

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15 hours ago, mccg said:

SHEARER SLAMS JORGINHO V WOLVES

https://thisisfutbol.com/2019/03/blogs/shearer-slams-jorginho-v-wolves/

Kinda echoing the repetitive narrative...

“Jorginho here, okay look forward, don’t do what you’re going to do here, take a touch and then go back because that will suit Wolves. It was no change in the second half either. Sideways. Backwards.”

 

That was really lazy and stupid from Shearer. Jorginho made some excellent passes in the first half. I remember one to Pedro and another to Higuain that could lead to a goal. It was one of those days that if he was playing for City or if it was Hazard in those positions he would end the first half with two assists

 

Also he made at least 4 more passes between lines in the first 40 minutes that created space for a teammate to make an assist. Then when things are not going well and the team is losing, any ball he loses, any mistake will give people a chance to trash him. He played well in the last games.

[OneMoSalah 8,810]

15 minutes ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said:

“Jorginho here, okay look forward, don’t do what you’re going to do here, take a touch and then go back because that will suit Wolves. It was no change in the second half either. Sideways. Backwards.”

 

That was really lazy and stupid from Shearer. Jorginho made some excellent passes in the first half. I remember one to Pedro and another to Higuain that could lead to a goal. It was one of those days that if he was playing for City or if it was Hazard in those positions he would end the first half with two assists

 

Also he made at least 4 more passes between lines in the first 40 minutes that created space for a teammate to make an assist. Then when things are not going well and the team is losing, any ball he loses, any mistake will give people a chance to trash him. He played well in the last games.

Hes been good recently but the whole Kante situation was never going to do him any favors. Media have jumped on thay bandwagon. Honestly what does Alan Shearer know about playing as a deep lying midfielder in a 3 man MF? Does he actually watch all 90 minutes Jorginho has played recently? I doubt it. That guy along with many pundits on MOTD and also BT have shown very little knowledge regarding Jorginhos actual role in that team. Hes struggled yes but if somebody who played at a high level cannot see what Jorginho brings to Chelsea then he should really give up with punditry. Being a good footballer or football team is more than just running, being determined and showing desire as these MOTD pundits seem to say every week about one average player or team without fail. Application helps but theres so much more to it.

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18 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Hes been good recently but the whole Kante situation was never going to do him any favors. Media have jumped on thay bandwagon. Honestly what does Alan Shearer know about playing as a deep lying midfielder in a 3 man MF? Does he actually watch all 90 minutes Jorginho has played recently? I doubt it. That guy along with many pundits on MOTD and also BT have shown very little knowledge regarding Jorginhos actual role in that team. Hes struggled yes but if somebody who played at a high level cannot see what Jorginho brings to Chelsea then he should really give up with punditry. Being a good footballer or football team is more than just running, being determined and showing desire as these MOTD pundits seem to say every week about one average player or team without fail. Application helps but theres so much more to it.

Can't take seriously majority of those former players working as pundits tbh. In the world cup 2014 Roberto Carlos was commenting for a Brazilian tv. In the past i thought he was smart. But my gosh he is so dumb. So dumb. He was saying absurd things like "the German team had no flair or skils and could not play passing football like the Brazilian team"(2014) when it was obvious the German players were more skilful. 

Those former players in general only repeat platitudes and things they think are the average opinion. It seems to me that they have a standard position about players to relief them of the obligation of actually pay attention in every game.

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Also in that shearer clip there wasn't really a forward pass on, which is why he had to go back. Shearers such a prick.

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15 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Hes been good recently but the whole Kante situation was never going to do him any favors. Media have jumped on thay bandwagon. Honestly what does Alan Shearer know about playing as a deep lying midfielder in a 3 man MF? Does he actually watch all 90 minutes Jorginho has played recently? I doubt it. That guy along with many pundits on MOTD and also BT have shown very little knowledge regarding Jorginhos actual role in that team. Hes struggled yes but if somebody who played at a high level cannot see what Jorginho brings to Chelsea then he should really give up with punditry. Being a good footballer or football team is more than just running, being determined and showing desire as these MOTD pundits seem to say every week about one average player or team without fail. Application helps but theres so much more to it.

As I'm listening to all these English ex-players talk about football I'm starting to understand why England hasn't won the World Cup in last 50 years. Their knowledge of football tactics is shockingly bad

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36 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

As I'm listening to all these English ex-players talk about football I'm starting to understand why England hasn't won the World Cup in last 50 years. Their knowledge of football tactics is shockingly bad

They think Jordan Pigford, Maguire, Dier, Lingard, etc at top 10 in world or so at their positions! And dregs like Jordan Henderson, Ashley Young, Luke Shaw, etc etc are good enough to help bring home the trophy. Plus Callum Wilson (who will be almost 31 at the 2022 WC) is a 'bright young thing' and a great option for Kane when he cannot go, lolol.

Hit n' hope. Hit n' hope baby!!!

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13 minutes ago, the wes said:

 

That's why I consider all people who slam him for lack of assists stupid as fuck who take anything what pundits say as gospel. This video shows very well that the players in front of him are mostly toothless who can't even receive the ball properly. Assisting depends on your teammates, not yourself like scoring.

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On 06/04/2019 at 11:58 AM, manpe said:

That's why I consider all people who slam him for lack of assists stupid as fuck who take anything what pundits say as gospel. This video shows very well that the players in front of him are mostly toothless who can't even receive the ball properly. Assisting depends on your teammates, not yourself like scoring.

Fabregas got the same treatment in the second half of the season the year we won the league under Jose. He "wasn't doing enough" although between Costa, Eden, Willian, the amount of chances they squandered was ridiculous. Fabregas is still one of the best players I have ever seen at finding that penetrating or final pass. Jorginho has found some great passes but poor finishing has took assists away from him. That video is proof, just as is the one of Eden providing passes that should have been scored but the difference is Eden does it and it is automatically an issue, Jorginho on the other hand is branded a bang average player and only passes sideways.... although even then his role in the team isn't to provide assists for players, its to control and dictate the tempo. 

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Probably his best game for us last night, and having the options of RLC and CHO certainly improve his game.

if he was in City’s team this season then we’d be saying what a shame it was we didn’t get him, because of the quality and type of player he would have had around and in front of him.

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10 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Probably his best game for us last night, and having the options of RLC and CHO certainly improve his game.

if he was in City’s team this season then we’d be saying what a shame it was we didn’t get him, because of the quality and type of player he would have had around and in front of him.

When we master Sarriball (next season I think) Jorgi will look much, much better.

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Fabregas was pass master but we got completely destroyed in midfield number of times because he was slow, immobile and gobshit under pressure. I remember even prime Matic couldnt do it by himself in that Psg game.

Hopefuly we never target such midfielders again. You need balanced midfielders that can offer something on both ends. 

Lamps, Ballack and Essien did their job in most cases. Players like Jorginho, Cesc they get bullied and destroyed every second game. You cant build a team to go far in europe with those.

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3 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Fabregas was pass master but we got completely destroyed in midfield number of times because he was slow, immobile and gobshit under pressure. I remember even prime Matic couldnt do it by himself in that Psg game.

Hopefuly we never target such midfielders again. You need balanced midfielders that can offer something on both ends. 

Lamps, Ballack and Essien did their job in most cases. Players like Jorginho, Cesc they get bullied and destroyed every second game. You cant build a team to go far in europe with those.

Spain, Barca, Real Madrid and Man City are all proof you can. While I agree some teams can still bully some teams but you definitely can go far in European competitions, which are also far less physical than English football as referees are stricter, with those sort of teams made up of more technical players. Even now Barca are still doing it with guys like Artur, Alba, Semedo, Roberto, Messi, Dembele, Coutinho, Alena etc. 

Regarding Matic there were times where he was very poor and left Cesc struggling too. That game he got subbed om and subbed off basically summed him up that season. Although Cesc wasnt hugely impressive that year either but one thing I would disagree about is that he could definitely keep the ball under pressure and would want to get the ball whenever he could take it unlike many others in our team in that period who just stood around waiting for shit to happen.

 

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15 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Spain, Barca, Real Madrid and Man City are all proof you can. While I agree some teams can still bully some teams but you definitely can go far in European competitions, which are also far less physical than English football as referees are stricter, with those sort of teams made up of more technical players. Even now Barca are still doing it with guys like Artur, Alba, Semedo, Roberto, Messi, Dembele, Coutinho, Alena etc. 

Regarding Matic there were times where he was very poor and left Cesc struggling too. That game he got subbed om and subbed off basically summed him up that season. Although Cesc wasnt hugely impressive that year either but one thing I would disagree about is that he could definitely keep the ball under pressure and would want to get the ball whenever he could take it unlike many others in our team in that period who just stood around waiting for shit to happen.

 

I didnt mean any small, weaker player. Cesc had bad balance and Jorginho has weak frame, which makes them a target for pressing. 

We have little Hazard, but he is doing great in PL. 

And we are discussing DM, all teams you mentioned above had strong or quick DM in Busquets, Casemiro, Fernandinho etc. Its not so much problem with AMs where you can put Modric, Silva who can be smaller. But even then, these guys are well balanced with superb hold up unlike Fabregas or to a lesser extent Jorginho who sometimes plays quite ferocious, but sometimes he gets completely bullied and doesnt even fight back.

 

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17 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Probably his best game for us last night, and having the options of RLC and CHO certainly improve his game.

if he was in City’s team this season then we’d be saying what a shame it was we didn’t get him, because of the quality and type of player he would have had around and in front of him.

It will be interesting to see if teams will play the diamond formation and man mark Jorginho with RLC and CHO on the team. Because those two create a lot of dilemma if they set up like that. CHO ability to create width really makes it troublesome for teams trying to play narrow. Kovacic and Barkley had incredible amount of space when teams tried to man mark Jorginho, they couldn't capitalize on the oppertunity. RLC is incredibly dangerous when giving space to run into. 

Not as cut and dry anymore for the opposition. Stop Jorginho, stop Chelsea. 

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19 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

if he was in City’s team this season then we’d be saying what a shame it was we didn’t get him, because of the quality and type of player he would have had around and in front of him.

Jorginho is a player who needs protection if he is playing for your side specially in the PL. Even if he was in City he would have been exposed if not given protection ... he on his own is not able to stand ground, when pressed aggressively he runs out of idea. Now whether it is just a Chelsea/Sarri thing or not is difficult to stay just like it is difficult to say that he would have done well at City. For me after seeing him for most of season, he is still the weak link whether at Chelsea or City. 

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5 minutes ago, coolhead23 said:

Jorginho is a player who needs protection if he is playing for your side specially in the PL. Even if he was in City he would have been exposed if not given protection ... he on his own is not able to stand ground, when pressed aggressively he runs out of idea. Now whether it is just a Chelsea/Sarri thing or not is difficult to stay just like it is difficult to say that he would have done well at City. For me after seeing him for most of season, he is still the weak link whether at Chelsea or City. 

Disagree. I mean he’d need protection in any other system than the one we try to implement.

passing is as much about movement of your teammates as it is about the passing ability of a given player, and make no mistake Jorginho is a great passer.

he’s far more easily pressed at Chelsea than he’d be at city. At city he’d have a lot more options for passing and they don’t chase players as much as we do.

while we try to rely on possession for defending, city actually does that. When they don’t have the football every player (even aguero) swarms the opposition to regain it. They still struggle without it and are vulnerable to a direct style... classic paper scissors.