🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Callum Hudson-Odoi

[the wes 7,212]

10 hours ago, Vesper said:

1000000000000% agree. I just wrote on this in my BATE lineup post

I will start to turn on Sarri if he doesn't start to play CHO

dead serious

OUTRAGEOUS if Sarri runs him out the door

we already are so fucked at multiple positions, plus the Hazard non renewal nightmare, so potentially losing the only true other LW (and a super young, super talented HOMEGROWN academy player at that!) is fucking beyond the fucking pale.

I think Callum Hudson-Odoi injured 

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Dortmund's interest in Hudson-Odoi opens door to Christian Pulisic deal

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/columnist/dortmunds-interest-in-hudson-odoi-opens-door-to-christian-pulisic-deal/

Reports are emerging claiming that Borussia Dortmund are interested in signing Callum Hudson-Odoi. The success of fellow English youngster Jadon Sancho at Dortmund has convinced the German giants to invest in Hudson-Odoi.

Their interest in the 17-year-old could open up a deal from which all parties could gain. It is in Hudson-Odoi’s interests to play regularly and at a high level. Sancho has received ample playing time. Hudson-Odoi would also play a lot of games, most importantly, in the Champions League.

Chelsea could send him to Germany on a two year loan or even on a permanent transfer. After Hudson-Odio has developed and Eden Hazard has started to slow down or even leave, the Englishman could return to Chelsea at a reduced price.

Of immediate benefit, Chelsea could use Dortmund’s interest in Hudson-Odoi to leverage the Germans into selling right winger Christian Pulisic.

Chelsea are interested in signing Pulisic, although a massive price tag is a big stumbling block. A player of the American’s quality would be a great asset for Chelsea. They are in need of an attacking threat from the right who can take the load off Eden Hazard.

 

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only if he renews

OR

a buyback clause inserted

plus

I am not 100% sold on Pulisic yet

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I think we should sell him and put a buy back clause on him. We cant make the mistake of slowing down his progress because Sarri clearly doesnt rotate.

[Chelsea_firstlove 178]

What happened?

[herpthederp 122]

He needs to leave one way or another. He clearly has the physicality and the technical ability to play in the men's game.

[manpe 10,861]

Since he is not getting game time here, I would be intrigued to see him play regularly in a top league. Would prefer an EPL or Bundesliga loan move. If we could get Pulisic out of this CHO deal and ship out Willian, I'd be over the moon.

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21 minutes ago, manpe said:

Since he is not getting game time here, I would be intrigued to see him play regularly in a top league. Would prefer an EPL or Bundesliga loan move. If we could get Pulisic out of this CHO deal and ship out Willian, I'd be over the moon.

Problem with Dortmund is that they have ome of the hottest players on the planet at LW already in Jadon Sancho and another great young LW in Jacob Bruun Larsen. They also use their LB Raphaël Guerreiro there at LW. CHO would be buried.

Look at Willian. He is right footed and is far better at LW than RW. And Eden will obviously be our starting LW whenever he is healthy.

[Tomo 21,751]

37 minutes ago, manpe said:

Since he is not getting game time here, I would be intrigued to see him play regularly in a top league. Would prefer an EPL or Bundesliga loan move. If we could get Pulisic out of this CHO deal and ship out Willian, I'd be over the moon.

If the worst happened and we lost CHO i would rather drop a big sum on Sancho himself, it would be our karma with City after the KDB situation plus i don't rate Pulisic.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

39 minutes ago, Tomo said:

If the worst happened and we lost CHO i would rather drop a big sum on Sancho himself, it would be our karma with City after the KDB situation plus i don't rate Pulisic.

Yeah, I have been thinking about Sancho alot too. Quality talent and has that end product like Mbappe had.

Bvb is reportedly interested in Clarke-Salter and we could do some sort of deal for Sancho (and also give them CHO with buy back clause if he doesnt get playtime here)

I would prefer Cho to develop here, but if he doesnt get the chances, its pointless to keep him here. After all, he is only our biggest talent in long time, what is there to lose.

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4 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Yeah, I have been thinking about Sancho alot too. Quality talent and has that end product like Mbappe had.

Bvb is reportedly interested in Clarke-Salter and we could do some sort of deal for Sancho (and also give them CHO with buy back clause if he doesnt get playtime here)

I would prefer Cho to develop here, but if he doesnt get the chances, its pointless to keep him here. After all, he is only our biggest talent in long time, what is there to lose.

If Sancho tracks out the whole year as he has started, he will have 20 goals and 32 assists.

Those are better numbers than Ousmane Dembele had by far, and Barca dropped a potential 145m euros (£130m or so) on Dembele.

Zero chance (if he comes close to those numbers) Dortmund would sell him for less than £110 to £125m including add-ons.

His contract has NO release clause BTW, as those are illegal in Germany.

Shitty so so so fucked up , especially as they are not exactly happy with Sane atm, and also want to shop Sterling. Like I always say, I think they make a move for Mbappe eventually.

If they do make a move for Mbappe, I would be more than happy to take Bernardo Silva off their hands (bye bye RW issues, woot woot, he would be a fucking MONSTER in Sarriball), and (if Eden leaves) Sane as well, lololol

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Chelsea must handle their CHO-sen one with care

https://www.footballwhispers.com/blog/chelsea-must-handle-their-cho-sen-one-with-care

So let’s get the staple sentences that are in almost every article about a Chelsea youth player out the way.

No, the Blues haven’t had an English player come through their Academy and break into the first-team since John Terry. Yes, there have been a number of false dawns; Josh McEachran, Nathaniel Chalobah and probably Ruben Loftus-Cheek. And yes, the club do have a surprisingly large number of players out on loan.

Right. That’s done. Nice to have ticked them off early, right?

 

What is clear from the above is that it can be very easy to bash Chelsea for how they handle young players. The Blues haven’t had – and still don’t – clear pathways in place to the first-team. Of that there can be no debate.

But the club deserve to be lauded for the quality footballers they are producing on a yearly basis. Chelsea haven’t won the past five FA Youth Cups, the last of which was by a 7-1 aggregate score against Arsenal, by accident. They’ve done so because of excellent coaching at various youth levels.

The CHO-sen one

The best example of this is Callum Hudson-Odoi, the talented winger who has been with the Blues since he was just seven years old. Clearly he had potential as a young boy yet it needed developing. And that is what Chelsea have done over the last decade.

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Ridiculous CHO has 1 game, 30 minutes ALL YEAR so far!

 

Teenagers starting or getting significant minutes at big or pretty big clubs (some are simply so good now that I list them even though not at a huge club, as they would still be getting big minutes at a bigger club)

 

GK Gianluigi Donnarumma   AC Milan  (for years now)  
GK Alban Lafont    Fiorentina (for 4 years now)

CB Boubacar Kamara  at Marseilles

CB Matthijs de Ligt  at Ajax multi year starter as a teen, WC, top 10 CB already

CB/DMF Declan Rice at West Ham

CB Malang Sarr Nice (for years now)

CB Ibrahima Konaté  RB Leipzig

CB Dan-Axel Zagadou at Dortmund

 

RB Trent Alexander-Arnold  Victimpool (just turned 20, but started as teenager)

RB Achraf Hakimi at Dortmund (best under 20yo RB in world, has exploded this year)

RB Diogo Dalot at Manure (started 2 of his 5 games as well, and would have more, but he was injured for first 2 months)

 

DMF Arne Maier Hertha Berlin (tonnes of starts)

DMF Dennis Geiger at Hoffenheim (31 starts, including CL)

 

CMF Houssem Aouar at Lyon (close to WC already)

CMF Amadou Haidara  at RB Salzburg (deep run in EL as a teen)

CMF Christopher Nkunku  at PSG  over 60 games as a teen, over 20 as a starter AT PSG

CMF Phil Foden   at Shitty

CMF Mattéo Guendouzi   at Arse

CMF Tom Davies at Everton

CMF Weston McKennie at Schalke, started on a team that captured a CL place

CMF Fran Beltrán  at Celta Vigo

 

RMF Abdülkadir Ömür at our new sister club Trabzonspor (he was a starter at 17)

 

LMF/LW/LB  Ryan Sessegnon  at Fullham

 

AMF Nicolò Zaniolo  at Roma

AMF/SS  João Félix at Benfica

 

LW Jadon Sancho at Borrusia Dortmund        turned 18 a few months back, already starting and one of hottest players in world football

LW Rodrygo at Real Madrid (in January) £41m for a 17yo

LW Vinícius Júnior at Real Madrid      £42m for a 18yo 7 games, 2 starts 4 goals, 2 assists

LW Paulinho  at Bayer Leverkusen  £23m for a 17yo 7 games 3 starts

LW Justin Kluivert  at Roma multiple starts as 19yo

LW Willem Geubbels at Monaco (started a game as a 17yo, injured now, back soon)

LW Alphonso Davies at Vancouver (full time starter at 17)

LW Jacob Bruun Larsen   at Borrussia Dortmund   20 games, 10 goals 6 assists as a teen part-time starter

LW Ismaïla Sarr   at Stade Rennais in Ligue 1  27 games, 5 goals, 9 assists as part time teen starter

 

RW Kylian Mbappé PSG

RW Moussa Diaby PSG    BEHIND MBAPPE but STILL 8 games , including 2 starts 2 goals 3 assists as a teen

RW Christian Pulisic  at Borrussia Dortmund  full-time starter as a teen for a team sitting on top in the Bundesliga

RW Reiss Nelson at Hoffenheim   part-time starts as a teen for a CL club

RW Ferrán Torres  at Valencia 18yo 6 games already including 2 starts, one of them La Liga

RW Yann Karamoh  at Inter had 18 games including multiple starts as a teen, played 35 games the year before as a part-time starter (in Ligue 1) at 17 and 18yo

 

CF Luka Jovic at Eintracht Frankfurt  part-time starter as a teen

CF Patrick Cutrone at AC Milan  part-time starter as a teen

CF Myziane Maolida  at Nice, teenage starter 

CF Matheus Cunha     at RB Leipzig, teenage starter 

CF Timothy Weah   at PSG, 18yo,  3 games 1 start, 2 goals

CF Moussa Sylla  at Monaco, part time starter since 17

CF Jann-Fiete Arp   at Hamburg part-time starter since 17

CF Moise Kean  at Juventus, dozens of games as a teen there and on loan to Serie A Hellas Verona

CF Pietro Pellegri   at Monaco  part time starter at Genoa since 15, now at Monaco as a 17yo

 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

He turns 18 this month. He'll get minutes this season but dont expect him to be a regular, too much expectation too soon.

If anybody expected him to amass even a quarter of the minutes guys like Mbappe, de Ligt, Kluivert, Auoar, Sancho etc have or will amass this season then they are dreaming. When have Chelsea ever done this with youth players? 

I did hope he'd feature more in the Europa, Carabao Cup, FA Cup etc and he still might do to be honest the seasons still young. Jadon Sancho's rise at Dortmund has shown that it can be done by young Englishmen in foreign league but that has raised the expectations and now the likes or Foden, Hudson Odoi or every second, third or fourth PL youngster is being linked with moves to Germany etc. 

Think we shouldn't panic yet. Him and Ampadu still have plenty of matches to contribute to. I think he'll pen a new deal, Sarri was impressed with him the same way Conte was.

Hopefully we shift Moses, Drinkwater and Cahill in January, that will free up more chances of Europa/Cup matches for the two of them to play in some capacity.

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

I did hope he'd feature more in the Europa, Carabao Cup, FA Cup etc

thats mainly what I wanted, with some cameos in EPL games

NONE of it has happened, except for that 30 minute mini shift v BATE

 

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Think we shouldn't panic yet.

He may not renew, then either we sell him for shit or let him walk on a free

that my main concern with his lack of playing time

plus, to start a hack converted wing like Moses over him is a slap in the face, as was tonight, starting a MF over him

we could have used CHO's pace and dynamism

Willian was horrid, as usual, and this time ON HIS GOOD SIDE, LW, FFS

I am just reallllly sick of seeing Willian's mug on the pitch for us, same for Cesc and surely for Cahill as well

They offer next to nothing almost every game, and they fucking both bore and piss me off, a bad combo

CHO is the opposite

Also, I am just overall REALLY sick of hearing the same fucking old, tired excuses about us not selling all these cunts we have

its the same thing every fucking year

ever since the WILFULLY stupid, arrogant, idotic, foolish bollocks move that was the Drinkwater buy, and then the failure to sell off deadwood this summer, I am at wits end with our divvy, fucked up board

 

[Tomo 21,751]

12 hours ago, Vesper said:

thats mainly what I wanted, with some cameos in EPL games

NONE of it has happened, except for that 30 minute mini shift v BATE

 

He may not renew, then either we sell him for shit or let him walk on a free

that my main concern with his lack of playing time

plus, to start a hack converted wing like Moses over him is a slap in the face, as was tonight, starting a MF over him

we could have used CHO's pace and dynamism

Willian was horrid, as usual, and this time ON HIS GOOD SIDE, LW, FFS

I am just reallllly sick of seeing Willian's mug on the pitch for us, same for Cesc and surely for Cahill as well

They offer next to nothing almost every game, and they fucking both bore and piss me off, a bad combo

CHO is the opposite

Also, I am just overall REALLY sick of hearing the same fucking old, tired excuses about us not selling all these cunts we have

its the same thing every fucking year

ever since the WILFULLY stupid, arrogant, idotic, foolish bollocks move that was the Drinkwater buy, and then the failure to sell off deadwood this summer, I am at wits end with our divvy, fucked up board

 

As much as im disappointed he's only had 30 minutes so far we have to factor in the fact he's only in his second year as a full time pro.For all the talk about Sancho and what a good career move he has made he had only 16 minutes of first team action this time this year.

If he's still struggling for significant minutes this time next year then yes Sarri's policy with youth players needs assessing, but right now it really isn't too big an issue.

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12 minutes ago, Tomo said:

As much as im disappointed he's only had 30 minutes so far we have to factor in the fact he's only in his second year as a full time pro.For all the talk about Sancho and what a good career move he has made he had only 16 minutes of first team action this time this year.

If he's still struggling for significant minutes this time next year then yes Sarri's policy with youth players needs assessing, but right now it really isn't too big an issue.

I see what you are saying. My worry is that if teams put in offers for him in the summer with 1 year left remaining on his contract and he refuses to sign on, we will probably be forced to sell him so he does not run out his contract here and then we may not get the opportunity to show that he will get enough chances. So if he does not sign a contract it becomes a big issue because if he wants to leabe come summer and does not sign a contract, we will sell him imo like City done with Sancho, which is why I am surprised about the limited chances he has got this season so far.

[Tomo 21,751]

Just now, Stats said:

I see what you are saying. My worry is that if teams put in offers for him in the summer with 1 year left remaining on his contract and he refuses to sign on, we will probably be forced to sell him so he does not run out his contract here and then we may not get the opportunity to show that he will get enough chances. So if he does not sign a contract it becomes a big issue because if he wants to leabe come summer and does not sign a contract, we will sell him imo like City done with Sancho, which is why I am surprised about the limited chances he has got this season so far.

Players won't see it in the same way the fans do, if CHO see's that there's a genuine progression plan for him behind the scenes i am fairly confident he will sign. I read somewhere (can't find the article again but if i do ill link it here and tag you) that Marcin Bulka stuck around this summer because Sarri has a plan for him.

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14 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

He turns 18 this month. He'll get minutes this season but dont expect him to be a regular, too much expectation too soon.

If anybody expected him to amass even a quarter of the minutes guys like Mbappe, de Ligt, Kluivert, Auoar, Sancho etc have or will amass this season then they are dreaming. When have Chelsea ever done this with youth players? 

I did hope he'd feature more in the Europa, Carabao Cup, FA Cup etc and he still might do to be honest the seasons still young. Jadon Sancho's rise at Dortmund has shown that it can be done by young Englishmen in foreign league but that has raised the expectations and now the likes or Foden, Hudson Odoi or every second, third or fourth PL youngster is being linked with moves to Germany etc. 

Think we shouldn't panic yet. Him and Ampadu still have plenty of matches to contribute to. I think he'll pen a new deal, Sarri was impressed with him the same way Conte was.

Hopefully we shift Moses, Drinkwater and Cahill in January, that will free up more chances of Europa/Cup matches for the two of them to play in some capacity.

I honestly don't see where these minutes are going to come from, if none of our attackers move on (putting the prospect of someone getting injured aside). EL group stages were his main chance to impress, so he has three more chances IMO to change the course of his season.

His eagerness or reluctancy to sign a new contract is totally up in the air. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

15 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

He turns 18 this month. He'll get minutes this season but dont expect him to be a regular, too much expectation too soon.

If anybody expected him to amass even a quarter of the minutes guys like Mbappe, de Ligt, Kluivert, Auoar, Sancho etc have or will amass this season then they are dreaming. When have Chelsea ever done this with youth players? 

I did hope he'd feature more in the Europa, Carabao Cup, FA Cup etc and he still might do to be honest the seasons still young. Jadon Sancho's rise at Dortmund has shown that it can be done by young Englishmen in foreign league but that has raised the expectations and now the likes or Foden, Hudson Odoi or every second, third or fourth PL youngster is being linked with moves to Germany etc. 

Think we shouldn't panic yet. Him and Ampadu still have plenty of matches to contribute to. I think he'll pen a new deal, Sarri was impressed with him the same way Conte was.

Hopefully we shift Moses, Drinkwater and Cahill in January, that will free up more chances of Europa/Cup matches for the two of them to play in some capacity.

I wonder if it is like in Germany where for an underage person to work i.e. to play football at senior level on Sundays or after 10pm he has to be granted a special permission every single time by some federal youth protection office so I could understand if a club would not want to put up with that bureaucratic struggle every time we have a cup/EL match or play on sunday which is probably 50% of our games just to have him in the matchday squad when we have tons of overage players in his position that maybe could explain his lack of action in some cases but less in other cases like last week vs Bate. 

I think it is too early to judge both situations i.e. Jadon sancho's and CHOs so far. Obviously I would love to have us only play world class talents and make them the next Messi but I have not really seen enough of either of them to be dead cert they will make it in the long run. 

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On 10/28/2018 at 11:26 PM, Vesper said:

Shitty so so so fucked up , especially as they are not exactly happy with Sane atm, and also want to shop Sterling.

They are desperate to keep Sterling.