Mason Mount

[SUNZ 155]

You always have to be weary of an 'attacking player' who does his best work off the ball. Sure, he can press and be a good option for tactical reasons in certain games (Tottenham away for example). But there's hardly any quality or imagination from Mount in the final third. He rarely makes the the right pass; sometimes he doesn't even see the pass which is even worse. The problem now isn't that he's playing games - it's the untouchable status he has when, clearly, the quality to deserve such status isn't there.

[Special Juan 28,113]

Should be trying to fight his way into the side yet he's gifted it nigh on every game.

[MoroccanBlue 5,377]

He needs a break on the bench 

[Superblue 6,372]

16 hours ago, positivefootball said:

Bang average, same as all the other youngsters unfortunately ...

The only thing unfortunate is this seems to be a typical comment from Chelsea fans on forums and social media, overreacting to everything.

When they were all playing well at the start of the season they were hyped beyond belief and now they're struggling they're all viewed as not good enough for the club.

The reality is they are all somewhere in the middle. It's far too early to make judgements on any of them. They have all shown this season periods where they are all capable of being very good Premier League footballers, and rightly should be viewed as very good potential players for the long term future of this club. The problem is fans nowadays aren't prepared to give time and patience to allow them to develop. This isn't just a problem at Chelsea, it's football in general nowadays but we are one of the worst for it when we've experienced unprecedented levels of success in the last 15 years through a policy which is purely short termism.

Tomori was doing really well earlier in the season and I do believe long term he has all the attributes to be a mainstay in our defence but he did start making some mistakes and his form went off the boil. These players all need to experience that and the harsh realities playing Premier League football that if you're not at your best week in week out you will drop points and lose games. Lampard had the luxury with Rudiger returning to bring Tomori out of the side. Same goes for CHO who was struggling, but now looks like he is getting some sharpness back in recent games after a spell as a sub.

At the moment though James, Mount and Abraham have to play because there are no alternatives without sufficiently weakening our team. James is the only full back we have capable of offering an offensive output. With Pulisic and RLC out and Pedro a shadow of the player he once was, the options to bring Mount out are limited. Barkley looks poor as a number 10 and seems more suited to playing deeper and the only other option is to play a midfield 3 instead which takes away from our offensive game in a period when we're struggling for goals. I believe if RLC had been fit this season the two would have rotated the role and Mount would have not played as much and stayed fresh. With Abraham the options to replace him at the moment are even worse.

i would question more why we have more experienced players in the squad who should now be stepping up when these younger players need them to but are seemingly incapable of doing so. It's pretty damning how reliant we've become on our younger players this season to 'step up' and as a result take the brunt of criticism when they don't.

[SUNZ 155]

18 hours ago, positivefootball said:

Bang average, same as all the other youngsters unfortunately ...

Very harsh on Tammy and Reece James. They are a different level to the likes of Mount and Odoi.

[nyikolajevics 2,690]

2 hours ago, SUNZ said:

Very harsh on Tammy and Reece James. They are a different level to the likes of Mount and Odoi.

*Very stupid on Tammy and Reece.

 

Hudson and Mount are not average aswell. They are both out of form(CHO seems to be going upstairs) but still they are very talented and have the potential to be great.

 

I agree Mount should not be played this much as his form is bad but this doesn't make him deadwood at the age of 20.

[Special Juan 28,113]

They just need to grow and mature as well as being nurtured. There is always going to be ups and downs, they have all made massive strides from going from Championship football to PL in the blink of an eye.

But simply put it's cut throat business, if they aren't performing they need to be replaced and not continually played. Our squad depth is OK and behind Mount is Kovacic, and for me he's been our best player this season, he needs to be playing ahead of MM right now.

[Superblue 6,372]

1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

They just need to grow and mature as well as being nurtured. There is always going to be ups and downs, they have all made massive strides from going from Championship football to PL in the blink of an eye.

But simply put it's cut throat business, if they aren't performing they need to be replaced and not continually played. Our squad depth is OK and behind Mount is Kovacic, and for me he's been our best player this season, he needs to be playing ahead of MM right now.

It's hardly like for like though. If we were talking RLC then I'd agree but Kovacic isn't going to play as advanced as Mount and that essentially means replacing an offensive minded player for a deeper player which I don't think is the answer against the likes of Newcastle. Barkley could maybe play there but I think he's shown in recent times that he's actually better suited to playing deeper where he can pick the ball up with time facing in front of him.

I'm all for a midfield three of Kante, Kova and Jorginho against the big teams and trying to be a little more solid, but against the rest of the league who will mostly sit back and try to contain us it is far less effective.

I think the question marks around Kante's suitability in these sorts of games is more of a topic. Our run at the start of the season coincided with Kante's absence and I think Lampard should go back to trying Kova and Jorginho for these types of games. Earlier in the season Mount seemed to be finding it much easier to find pockets of space which likely stems from playing in front of the two best passers in our team who could find him quickly and decisively. 

[NikkiCFC 8,288]

Some probably think I'm Mount's h8er or something but I'm not. I didn't say one bad word about him in August - September. Just like I don't mind Tomori being one of four CBs I don't mind Mount being one of our six midfielders. But the fact that he played more minutes in the PL than every other outfield player is just crazy. Kovacic and Barkley are better players. But Mount seems the only undroppable midfielder in the squad. 

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Some probably think I'm Mount's h8er or something but I'm not. I didn't say one bad word about him in August - September. Just like I don't mind Tomori being one of four CBs I don't mind Mount being one of our six midfielders. But the fact that he played more minutes in the PL than every other outfield player is just crazy. Kovacic and Barkley are better players. But Mount seems the only undroppable midfielder in the squad. 

No one called you out. Why so sensitive? 

[El P. 1,354]

He has too much Oscar vibes about him. Not too optimistic about his development, but hope he does it eventually.

We are even starting to have same story as with Oscar - he isn't in form, he is inconsistent. Nope, for now he is just what we are seeing in recent games.

Massive improvement in terms of creativity is needed (passing intelligence and accuracy first and foremost).

[Tomo 21,751]

32 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Some probably think I'm Mount's h8er or something but I'm not. I didn't say one bad word about him in August - September. Just like I don't mind Tomori being one of four CBs I don't mind Mount being one of our six midfielders. But the fact that he played more minutes in the PL than every other outfield player is just crazy. Kovacic and Barkley are better players. But Mount seems the only undroppable midfielder in the squad. 

Well he was dropped for Ethiad and two do or die CL games so that's hardly true.

And Barkley isn't better, sorry but that's typical absence makes the heart grow fonder syndrome right there.

[Fernando 6,585]

He has been a bit up and down in form but that's expected for youth. 

I'm not mad nor surprised as I actually expected this with youth. 

So it's all good for me. 

[Special Juan 28,113]

There are senior players in this team right now performing as bad, if not worse than Mount.

[NikkiCFC 8,288]

33 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Well he was dropped for Ethiad and two do or die CL games so that's hardly true.

Best players of all top clubs don't start every game, that's completely normal especially when you have games every three, four days. Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Aguero, KDB, Salah and others started some league and CL games from the bench. 

Not saying Mount is in that category of course. But him being dropped against strongest opponents (City and Liverpool in Super Cup) and in most important CL games make it look even worse. Basically massage Lamps is sending is that he don't trust Mount to play when we face best clubs and when we have most important games where we must take the result. I bet he won't start against Bayern either. I see hypocrisy there.