The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 6 hours ago, xPetrCechx said: Another useless signing... What about the defenders?!... Useless? The guy is one of the most talented youngsters in the world. It would be a great signing. Just because we sign him before we sign defenders doesn't mean he's useless. Some flawed logic. It's like saying "hey, let's not sign Lewandowski because most Polish football players aren't top top level". Have you ever seen him play to even call him useless, or a flop? Just because you've never heard of him doesn't mean he is a random player. He is a very highly rated young man. Also, surely you know clubs can negotiate for more than one player at the same time? Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nono 791 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 None of our talented Brazilians have really worked out for us. Ramires, Oscar, Willian, Pato, Kenedy, etc. The level of talent is really low in Brazilian football right now and we should just stay away. He'll probably end up just like Kenedy with us if he signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, nono said: None of our talented Brazilians have really worked out for us. Ramires, Oscar, Willian, Pato, Kenedy, etc. The level of talent is really low in Brazilian football right now and we should just stay away. He'll probably end up just like Kenedy with us if he signs. He's a bigger talent than all of those though. That's like saying let's not sign a young Neymar because Brazil's talent pool is thin. It's ridiculous to judge a player on his nationality, you know maybe try watch him play before making assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nono 791 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 1 hour ago, The Skipper said: He's a bigger talent than all of those though. That's like saying let's not sign a young Neymar because Brazil's talent pool is thin. It's ridiculous to judge a player on his nationality, you know maybe try watch him play before making assumptions. How can you really know that for sure ? If he was a bigger talent more clubs would be into him and the price would be higher. I bet 90% of the people on this forum hadn't even heard of him 1 month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 1 minute ago, nono said: How can you really know that for sure ? If he was a bigger talent more clubs would be into him and the price would be higher. I bet 90% of the people on this forum hadn't even heard of him 1 month ago. Who heard of Cech before we signed him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid Angel 2,130 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Play him with kante and cesc in a midfield 3 or in a midfield 2 with Kante. I'm afraid playing two in midfield without a player like him partnering Kante would be suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I think it's unfair to judge a player nobody seen off one out of ten Brazilians there's always a wee gem that's hope maia is the gem ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, The Skipper said: He's a bigger talent than all of those though. That's like saying let's not sign a young Neymar because Brazil's talent pool is thin. It's ridiculous to judge a player on his nationality, you know maybe try watch him play before making assumptions. I can kinda see what he's saying. Is this guy the real deal? Our past dealings don't exactly inspire that much confidence. We just had Pato on loan ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nono 791 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Tomo said: Who heard of Cech before we signed him? Those signing are exceptions. We already have too many players who play two games and are never heard of again. Our rivals, who were already ahead of us last season have gone and spent record money on established talent. We can't be betting on hopes any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,994 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Why do so many Chelsea fans (on here and especially on Twitter) lump Willian in with "flops?" So unappreciative. He's one of our best players, ffs. Anyways, if this kid being thought of as an immediate first team player or is he "one for the future" who will be loaned out never to be heard from again? Even if he's a replacement if for Matic if he's sold, what would signing this kid mean for Chalobah and RLC? Just seems kinda weird that if we're after another midfield target it wouldn't be a significant upgrade. This seems like huge gamble rather than just going and signing more of a sure thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Ramires wasn't a flop either His Champions League run in 11-12 is the stuff of legends. So many decisive contributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nono 791 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Pizy said: Why do so many Chelsea fans (on here and especially on Twitter) lump Willian in with "flops?" So unappreciative. He's one of our best players, ffs. Anyways, if this kid being thought of as an immediate first team player or is he "one for the future" who will be loaned out never to be heard from again? Even if he's a replacement if for Matic if he's sold, what would signing this kid mean for Chalobah and RLC? Just seems kinda weird that if we're after another midfield target it wouldn't be a significant upgrade. This seems like huge gamble rather than just going and signing more of a sure thing. It's no wonder we finished 10th when he was our best player. Says a lot about both him and us. The days of Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Romario etc are long gone. Nowadays Brazil can't even beat Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azpinator 2,325 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 18 minutes ago, nono said: Our rivals, who were already ahead of us last season have gone and spent record money on established talent. We can't be betting on hopes any more. It's almost always a gamble when you sign a new player, whether he's unknown or a superstar. I thought Chelsea fans already knew this by now after the signing of Torres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,985 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, nono said: It's no wonder we finished 10th when he was our best player. Says a lot about both him and us. The days of Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Romario etc are long gone. Nowadays Brazil can't even beat Iraq. Nono has spoken, Brazil are doomed for evermore! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,994 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, nono said: It's no wonder we finished 10th when he was our best player. Says a lot about both him and us. The days of Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Romario etc are long gone. Nowadays Brazil can't even beat Iraq. One of our best players. As in he's one of our 3-4 best. As for their national team, not that their best team is any good now, but that Olympic side is basically their youth team + Neymar. Can hardly judge them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeboii 1,844 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 42 minutes ago, Tomo said: Who heard of Cech before we signed him? Or KdB, Courtois and Christensen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Gonna have to agree with @nono Brazil is no longer the hotbed for talent it once was. Also, None of you had even heard of this kid before FM 16. Seems to me like another overhyped Brazilian like Piazon... I'd rather play Chalobah then take a chance on this average, overhyped, "brazilian wonderkid" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbol123 175 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Pretty sad that people are dismissing a player due to his nationality rather than what he can actually do on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 3 hours ago, Styles said: I can kinda see what he's saying. Is this guy the real deal? Our past dealings don't exactly inspire that much confidence. We just had Pato on loan ffs! I'm not saying he's talented because he's Brazilian. That'd a daft thing to say. He's actually just a talented young player. I would say he's a bit like Zouma when he signed him - massive potential for a nice price, just needs to develop a bit more and have game time and he could be a huge player. He has all the tools as a midfielder. He's very nice on the ball, and has all the tools to become a very good defensive midfielder. Think a more defensive Modric or Verratti. That sort of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 2 hours ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said: Gonna have to agree with @nono Brazil is no longer the hotbed for talent it once was. Also, None of you had even heard of this kid before FM 16. Seems to me like another overhyped Brazilian like Piazon... I'd rather play Chalobah then take a chance on this average, overhyped, "brazilian wonderkid" No one is saying that he's good because he's Brazilian though... You'd have to be daft to rate a player simply because he's Brazilian, especially when Brazil haven't been one of the top international teams for almost a decade now. He can easily play with Chalobah. If anyone needs to leave it's Mikel. A midfield collective of Fabregas, Kante, Matic, Chalobah, Maia and RLC is pretty impressive. Also, with rumours that Matic has Juventus interested he'd be a pretty sound replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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