Shkodran Mustafi

[Dazzy_Vance 454]

Lol is this guy any better than Christensen?

[LondonsFinest 692]

4 minutes ago, Dazzy_Vance said:

Lol is this guy any better than Christensen?

Is Gabriel Jesus better than Neymar? Really stupid question given the situation. No offence intended.

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4 minutes ago, LondonsFinest said:

Is Gabriel Jesus better than Neymar? Really stupid question given the situation. No offence intended.

You don't strike me as someone who has the capacity to offend anyone so don't worry

Can you elaborate on how it was a stupid question and what it has to do with GJ and Neymar?

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1 minute ago, Dazzy_Vance said:

You don't strike me as someone who has the capacity to offend anyone so don't worry

Can you elaborate on how it was a stupid question and what it has to do with GJ and Neymar?

Simple. You asked if Mustafi is lesser to Christensen. Bear in mind, Christensen has only 1 professional season with Gladbach, so although his hype is real and he is really good, he is still yet to reach a bigger level. If that happens, he definitely has the higher ceiling out of the two, although we'll see if that's true.(Not doubting Andreas).  Compared to Mustafi, who is a certified World cup winner playing, even if he played at left back. He has 3 very good seasons with Sampdoria and Valencia respectively and he's already one of the if not best, let's say very good defenders in the world. Given the need for a CB addition and his relatively cheap price, even if he isn't going to become better than Christensen(if he fulfills his full potential), at current situation, he is definitely a need.

So, basically, it was something like, the new Ronaldo(GJ) better than current hyped up version(Neymar)? It isn't a 100% dead on comparison, but I couldn't think of anything better in the heat of the moment.

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Valencia and German defender Shkrodan Mustafi is training apart from the rest of the team since he returned from holiday #CFC #AFC #VCF (cm)

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#CFC owner Roman Abramovich would be ready to meet the demand for Antonio Conte allocating €30m for #VCF defender Mustafi. (calciomercato)

[quickpassnmove 924]

I thought Mustafi was average at Sampdoria. Did he actually improve at Valencia?

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Buy  Mustafi please 

 

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#CFC and #AFC derby for VCF's Shkodran Mustafi, but Wenger also think of the #WBA Jonny Evans to solve the problems in defense (Mediaset)

Evans... Lol!

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BREAKING | Valencia have rejected #Chelsea's £25m bid for Mustafi #VCF #CFC

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I just kill someone in my thought seeing all this rejected rejected of chelsea offers

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Death, taxes, and Chelsea bids being rejected in summer 2016.

If the media is to be believed we've been rejected for Nainggolan, Andre Gomes, Koulibaly, Morata, Lukaku, and Mustafi. Getting a bit ridiculous.

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Alex Göldie ‏@AlexisGoldie  2h2 hours ago

Wenger says he likes Walcott at ST and that Bielik, Holding and Chambers will fight for CB spot. So, as predicted, we ain't signing anyone

 

Just had a quick browse of the Arsenal forum thread for Mustafi, they seem less confident now that we're apparently in for him

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

Is this guy even any good? Comes across as very very average. 

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2 hours ago, quickpassnmove said:

I though Mustafi was average at Sampdoria. Did he actually improve at Valencia?

My thoughts exactly. Chelsea MUST buy a new CB to slot into the starting line-up automatically, but unfortunately I do not think Mustafi is the answer. Seems like your regular defender to me and frankly nobody would have heard about him if it wasn't for Reus' last minute injury before the World Cup in 2014. We was basically called up for the NT just hours before they departed for Brazil. Do not get the hype, not really an improvement on Cahill IMO and he was pretty much poor since arriving in La Liga.

Chelsea should have made the move for Napoli's Koulibaly in big style, from the very first offer, instead of penny pinching hole summer. Call them Italians, ask them how much they want and pay the money. In the end we're probably missing on a very good defender (and an ideal partner for Zouma), all for something like 7-8m difference in what the club was ready to pay and what Napoli wanted.

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20 minutes ago, petre.ispirescu said:

My thoughts exactly. Chelsea MUST buy a new CB to slot into the starting line-up automatically, but unfortunately I do not think Mustafi is the answer. Seems like your regular defender to me and frankly nobody would have heard about him if it wasn't for Reus' last minute injury before the World Cup in 2014. We was basically called up for the NT just hours before they departed for Brazil. Do not get the hype, not really an improvement on Cahill IMO and he was pretty much poor since arriving in La Liga.

Chelsea should have made the move for Napoli's Koulibaly in big style, from the very first offer, instead of penny pinching hole summer. Call them Italians, ask them how much they want and pay the money. In the end we're probably missing on a very good defender (and an ideal partner for Zouma), all for something like 7-8m difference in what the club was ready to pay and what Napoli wanted.

So Petre, you call Napoli, you ask them how much they want. They tell you the player is not for sale. Your move. What do you do? 

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7 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

So Petre, you call Napoli, you ask them how much they want. They tell you the player is not for sale. Your move. What do you do? 

You call it a day and move to the next target, I agree. But what makes me think Napoli was ready to negociate is the amount of offers that Chelsea has made. It was just that Napoli wanted a certain amount, whereas Chelsea was always close, but never there. That's why probably Napoli got frustrated and quit the negociations. 

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25 minutes ago, petre.ispirescu said:

You call it a day and move to the next target, I agree. But what makes me think Napoli was ready to negociate is the amount of offers that Chelsea has made. It was just that Napoli wanted a certain amount, whereas Chelsea was always close, but never there. That's why probably Napoli got frustrated and quit the negociations. 

But do we really know we made multiple offers? It was thought we made multiple ones for Lukasku and it turbs out we haven't even sent one ny carrier pidgeon.

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10 hours ago, petre.ispirescu said:

You call it a day and move to the next target, I agree. But what makes me think Napoli was ready to negociate is the amount of offers that Chelsea has made. It was just that Napoli wanted a certain amount, whereas Chelsea was always close, but never there. That's why probably Napoli got frustrated and quit the negociations. 

First of all of course, whether a player is actually for sale or not, "not for sale", is always the opening gambit by the selling club. Secondly any speculation you and I get into as to what might have happened in the course of this negotiation is just guesswork.

Let's say however that it went as you suggest, and Chelsea picked up a vibe that Napoli actually were prepared to sell. I'd suggest that gives Chelsea two potential moves they might make, urge Napoli once again to name a price or put in a bid. In either case, nothing will come of it.

To start with, Napoli will not weaken their negotiating position by naming a price. At least not one which is anything less than twice as much as they calculate Chelsea might actually be prepared to pay tops. This leaves the other option which is to put in a bid. Chelsea know full well however that any bid which is less than the think of a number and double it figure will automatically be rejected. That's the way the game is played.

Dealing in the real world, the club must walk away or engage in the negotiating game. Either way, they face criticism from people who know the process is not as simple as they portray it, but who like to imagine that Chelsea can behave as if it was.

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Assuming he's good, I really hope we sign him. Come the end of this season, we will have 32 year old Gary Cahill, 33 year old Ivanovic and 36 year old John Terry. Considering the way prices are going, 30mil for Mustafi is alright, and he's only 24 at the moment.

 

Mustafi aside, I can only see Koulibaly and Manolas as viable CB targets at the moment, and we haven't had much success in getting them. I really hope we don't enter this season with our current defensive lineup. It's not that I think they are awful, but we should sign at least a full back and a centre back to add more depth the team at least.