John Terry

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Former Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho provided a written character witness statement.

"I am certain that John Terry is not a racist."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9392669/Jose-Mourinho-I-am-certain-John-Terry-is-not-a-racist.html

[magicrico 175]

Just Reading the live updates here: http://live-blog.sport.uk.msn.com/Event/John_Terry_race_trial

the words 'and' and 'fucking' ? Can someone explain this to me, confused?

It's applarently said "you f****** b**** C***?" whats with the 'and'?

If he was repeating it then there isn't anything wrong with the f****** part if thats what he heard?

[Leif 6,006]

I'm sorry, but John Terry's lawyer isn't as good as I expected.

He keeps on fking up.

"Prosecutor says there's 'profound irony' that mag (?) is asked to discount lip reader evidence then rely on Cole saying he 'saw' what Ferdinand said. Prosecution lip readers watched television reply. Cole 'saw' what Ferdinand said from 25 yards away in a game."

[Superblue 6,372]

I'm sorry, but John Terry's lawyer isn't as good as I expected.

He keeps on fking up.

"Prosecutor says there's 'profound irony' that mag (?) is asked to discount lip reader evidence then rely on Cole saying he 'saw' what Ferdinand said. Prosecution lip readers watched television reply. Cole 'saw' what Ferdinand said from 25 yards away in a game."

Not really. If they rely on the lip reader then they also have to consider cole's evidence. If they discard the lip reading, then it helps terry.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

If they discard Cole's testimony because lipreading is inaccurate the Terry should not even be in court.

[Superblue 6,372]

If they discard Cole's testimony because lipreading is inaccurate the Terry should not even be in court.

Exactly terry's defence have put the court in a position where they cannot show double standards on the accuracy and validity of the evidences provided.

[Kezza 1,965]

Dan Levene ‏@BluesChronicle

District Judge Howard Riddle a highly experienced lawyer, who sits without a jury. He decides outcome. Normal in London magistrates courts.

Shit...

[Kezza 1,965]

Dan Levene ‏@BluesChronicle

Judge adjourns court until 2pm tomorrow, to reach a verdict. Says not to read anything into long adjournment, as he has other things to do.

[HNKS 508]

Other players have been giving Terry grief over the affair scandal and about his mum for years. Terry is the kind of player who can laugh it off and continue performing week in week out. What a legend! Fucking love you TERRY!!! CAPTAIN!

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Dan Levene ‏@BluesChronicle

Judge adjourns court until 2pm tomorrow, to reach a verdict. Says not to read anything into long adjournment, as he has other things to do.

So, Tomorrow we will know the verdict at 2pm?

[Kezza 1,965]

So, Tomorrow we will know the verdict at 2pm?

Yup! Tomorrow's the day! I'm confident it's gonna end good!

[Muzchap 8,966]

Even if he loses - It will be appealed almost instantly.

To those saying Terry's lawyer isn't smart! You need to understand the game being played - it's very smart! CHOULO19 sums it up perfectly...

The whole case is based on 'admissable' evidence, the only current evidence against Terry is via 'lip reading'.

Anton Ferdinand has also admitted, he didn't know it was racial abuse until pointed out on a 'video' - so the video is the key point.

If 'lip-reading' is deemed as it should be IMHO an 'unreliable science' - then both Anton Ferdinands accusation and Ashley Coles Testimony are invalid - leaving 'no case to answer'...

As with all UK trials, you have to be convicted 'beyond reasonable doubt' - that video clearly shows that there is 'reasonable doubt' as some parts are blocked from view, so it's only speculation what happened there and impossible to prove, that alone should have been the basis for a non-trial, but the media hype has forced the CPS to make a 'show' of it.

In all honesty, if this gets thrown out - Kier Stamma (sp) needs to be removed from office - he's apparently the head of the CPS and is a complete and utter idiot. This country wastes countless money on stupid trivial court proceedings, where the money would be better spent getting rid of people like Abu Hamsa, and deporting people (against EU Law) who don't deserve to be in the UK. I'm not against immigration, far from it - I'm an migrant worker in Salzburg, Austria - I get healthcare provided I work, I won't get any unemployment benefit if I lose my job and I'm not entitled to social housing. If Austria can do this, why can't the UK?

Anyway, back on topic....

I really can't see this turning into a prosecution - although I should imagine EVERYBODY in the CPS is piling pressure on the Judge - to avoid the humiliation of losing.

Take 2 normal people - non-celeb and this would have been dismissed. That's the only 'lottery' element - the perceived 'celeb' status...

So taking it on 'Law' alone - Terry should be found innocent (even if he is guilty) as the only 'proof of offense' is based upon 'unreliable lip reading science'....

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Even if he loses - It will be appealed almost instantly.

To those saying Terry's lawyer isn't smart! You need to understand the game being played - it's very smart! CHOULO19 sums it up perfectly...

The whole case is based on 'admissable' evidence, the only current evidence against Terry is via 'lip reading'.

Anton Ferdinand has also admitted, he didn't know it was racial abuse until pointed out on a 'video' - so the video is the key point.

If 'lip-reading' is deemed as it should be IMHO an 'unreliable science' - then both Anton Ferdinands accusation and Ashley Coles Testimony are invalid - leaving 'no case to answer'...

As with all UK trials, you have to be convicted 'beyond reasonable doubt' - that video clearly shows that there is 'reasonable doubt' as some parts are blocked from view, so it's only speculation what happened there and impossible to prove, that alone should have been the basis for a non-trial, but the media hype has forced the CPS to make a 'show' of it.

In all honesty, if this gets thrown out - Kier Stamma (sp) needs to be removed from office - he's apparently the head of the CPS and is a complete and utter idiot. This country wastes countless money on stupid trivial court proceedings, where the money would be better spent getting rid of people like Abu Hamsa, and deporting people (against EU Law) who don't deserve to be in the UK. I'm not against immigration, far from it - I'm an migrant worker in Salzburg, Austria - I get healthcare provided I work, I won't get any unemployment benefit if I lose my job and I'm not entitled to social housing. If Austria can do this, why can't the UK?

Anyway, back on topic....

I really can't see this turning into a prosecution - although I should imagine EVERYBODY in the CPS is piling pressure on the Judge - to avoid the humiliation of losing.

Take 2 normal people - non-celeb and this would have been dismissed. That's the only 'lottery' element - the perceived 'celeb' status...

So taking it on 'Law' alone - Terry should be found innocent (even if he is guilty) as the only 'proof of offense' is based upon 'unreliable lip reading science'....

Lip reading isn't the only evidence. The second evidence, the indisputable one is that Terry has admitted to saying "Fuck off, fuck off, yeah yeah, you black cunt? You knob head"

So even if the video and lip reading is complete dismissed, you still have Terry's confession of saying that quote. The question then becomes what context it was said in.

Terry has never denied he didn't utter "black cunt" The case is simply regarding the context it was uttered in. Was it simply Terry repeating Anton or was Terry in fact the first one to say it. That's the case.

I thought he was guilty until Cole said he "saw" Anton say "black cunt". So if you dismiss lip reading, which I'm fine with, you can dismiss Cole's testimony. If you do that, I think he's guilty but even then not sure there is enough to convict him.

[Blue Armour 4,436]

Lip reading isn't the only evidence. The second evidence, the indisputable one is that Terry has admitted to saying "Fuck off, fuck off, yeah yeah, you black cunt? You knob head"

So even if the video and lip reading is complete dismissed, you still have Terry's confession of saying that quote. The question then becomes what context it was said in.

Terry has never denied he didn't utter "black cunt" The case is simply regarding the context it was uttered in. Was it simply Terry repeating Anton or was Terry in fact the first one to say it. That's the case.

I thought he was guilty until Cole said he "saw" Anton say "black cunt". So if you dismiss lip reading, which I'm fine with, you can dismiss Cole's testimony. If you do that, I think he's guilty but even then not sure there is enough to convict him.

But isn't the context in which he said "black cunt" the issue here?

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

But isn't the context in which he said "black cunt" the issue here?

Yeah exactly. That's what my point is.

If I look at it logically and use common sense I am pretty confident he's guilty. However, I'm not sure if there is enough evidence to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt in court.