Alexandre Pato

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

Much as i dislike beinsports rumours and think they chat rubbish a lot, one of their guys on Twitter reckons we will not sign Pato.  Only him reporting it at the mo though

[Henrique 9,133]

21 minutes ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

Much as i dislike beinsports rumours and think they chat rubbish a lot, one of their guys on Twitter reckons we will not sign Pato.  Only him reporting it at the mo though

Did he gave more info? Pato's agent is in China at the moment.

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

2 hours ago, Henrique said:

Did he gave more info? Pato's agent is in China at the moment.

No just said we won't sign him. No one else at all is backing him up at the moment.   All other media still say he is coming here most likely 

[Rmpr 8,977]

8 hours ago, Spike said:

Merchandising? How? Do they sell fifteen billion t-shirts? I really struggle to see in any way merchandising covers a players salary and transfer costs. A club probably only makes like $10 per shirt sold with most of the money going to the vendor and the kit manufacturer. Hell, a club probably makes no money from shirts sold because they get a lump sum every year from the manufacturer or at the start of the contract. 

In case of big European clubs, its not only the revenue merchandise sales that helps cover a players cost. Publicity is a HUGE factor too. When Real or Barcelona sign a crazily expansive player they make the news in many places they normally would not and this ends up atracting new fans (who later on might buy club products, even if not from that specific player). Sometimes even someone who isnt that much into football but likes certain player for some reason or saw the news and know the club is a powerhouse can end up buying a product just because of notoriety or w/e. Thats the power of publicity. This happens a lot in USA and Asia. That also applies for the players home country, but to a lesser extend imo. For instance, I know for a fact that a lot of Colombians root for Madrid simply because they want James Rodriguez to succeed, even if they are not RM fans, per see.

Nooooow...China clubs dont have that big of an impact to justify such expenses and they will never recover the money back. There is no way. But if u take a more careful look, there are two types of owners behind those clubs (and this goes for Middle Eastern clubs as well). 1) The owner has so much money, but so much money that the team is his bragging toy so he isnt ultimately worried about recouping the investment. Money is not the issue, status amongst his inner circle is more important. 2) The owner has some real shady business, usually already involved in some fisco problems and pouring money into a football club is the perfect way to laundry it. Some cases are actually quite blatant tbh.

So, in resume I believe European clubs do indeed recover most of what is invested, even if it is not that evident. However, when it comes to clubs outside Europe, I cant see any other reason besides those two I pointed out.

[Jcar92 66]

Well, i am a supporter of Corinthians. I disagree of Rmpr, we do have the money to pay Pato's salary every month (even more now that we sold half of the champion team to China, 5 players, FIVE, 2 fucking players from the National Team going after money instead of football), but we are crazy to sell. That guy isn't injury prone anymore, we fixed him... Like we did with Renato Augusto (on Bayern Leverkusen, he wold get hurt every time). Dmytro Chygrynskiy even came to Brazil to treat himself in our club... He said that he didn't had any problems after passing here.

Anyway, the problem with Pato is that he is totally alienated with everything that happens around him, the world may be falling on his feet, but he doesn't show the will to win, he is not hungry for the victory. The talent is still there, you can see the flashy tricks and all, but not like when he was young. Also, he is not as fast as he were... He is still pretty fast, just not so fast as the time he made a goal against Barcelona, letting everyone miles behind. Corinthians is desperate to sell him, but not for money or for injuries, the problem is his personality and intelligence (i particularly think he is kinda dumb).

He coud still work for you guys anyways....

[Spike 12,049]

6 hours ago, Rmpr said:

In case of big European clubs, its not only the revenue merchandise sales that helps cover a players cost. Publicity is a HUGE factor too. When Real or Barcelona sign a crazily expansive player they make the news in many places they normally would not and this ends up atracting new fans (who later on might buy club products, even if not from that specific player). Sometimes even someone who isnt that much into football but likes certain player for some reason or saw the news and know the club is a powerhouse can end up buying a product just because of notoriety or w/e. Thats the power of publicity. This happens a lot in USA and Asia. That also applies for the players home country, but to a lesser extend imo. For instance, I know for a fact that a lot of Colombians root for Madrid simply because they want James Rodriguez to succeed, even if they are not RM fans, per see.

Nooooow...China clubs dont have that big of an impact to justify such expenses and they will never recover the money back. There is no way. But if u take a more careful look, there are two types of owners behind those clubs (and this goes for Middle Eastern clubs as well). 1) The owner has so much money, but so much money that the team is his bragging toy so he isnt ultimately worried about recouping the investment. Money is not the issue, status amongst his inner circle is more important. 2) The owner has some real shady business, usually already involved in some fisco problems and pouring money into a football club is the perfect way to laundry it. Some cases are actually quite blatant tbh.

So, in resume I believe European clubs do indeed recover most of what is invested, even if it is not that evident. However, when it comes to clubs outside Europe, I cant see any other reason besides those two I pointed out.

I know, I know, I know, you are right but we weren't talking about publicity.  

[Jcar92 66]

One thing more to say, he doesn't seen like a player that wants glory in his actions, but he was the only one here that refused a proposal from China (6 million per month as salary and he wold get 15% of the money that they would pay Corinthians to break-contract). That says a lot, after everything that he went trought, he still wants to have sucess in Football.

[Spike 12,049]

Alex Pato choosing a club is a little like that children's game 'Duck, Duck, Goose'.

Pato, Pato, Pato, Pato, Pato, GANSO!

[Jcar92 66]

Oh yeah, 1,5 million dollar is like 6 million brazilian coin. Still think that pretty much a lot of money. Thats how the brazilian economy is right now... 1 dollar was 2 brazilians sometime ago...And now this.

Imagine you trying to hold your best players with things like this. Thats why brazilian footbal has fallen like this, if we had all brazilians that go to other countrys here, we would still be big.

things just seens to get worse every day, Neymar is like the last of the mohicans

[The Skipper 20,609]

On 15 January 2016 at 6:41 PM, Robguima said:

he's in top form as Torres got in top form for us...

after 50 muscle injuries his top form for us was about 70% of his top form at pool... Pato at Milan could be any player on pace... not anymore.

And yes, the brazilian league is on the slow side - seira A style - so Pato will struggle.

Torres cost us £50m and had ridiculously high wages, and was also our number 1 striker. Pato would be none of those. We don't need a number 1 striker, Costa is fine. 

If this deal allows us to get rid of Falcao's wages I'm up for it tbh. 

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Wouldn't be surprised if he did well here at all. Premier League defences are at an all time worst.

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

If we sign Pato cannot let Remy go. Even if it costs us £1m or something around that area to cancel it, then Falcao's loan should be scrapped.  I read an article yesterday where a Colombian journalist was saying that River Plate and the fans want him back, like a hero returning, but this journalist said in his opinion, Falcao should retire.  His injuries have destroyed him and he just cant handle the top level footbal anymore

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

1 minute ago, Gilvorak said:

Wouldn't be surprised if he did well here at all. Premier League defences are at an all time worst.

If it is 11-15m euros, and the rumoured 55k euros a week, its worth a risk.  A loan would be even better but a poster said his deal ends in December, so its kinda worthless for Corinthians.

He can play wide left too, so right now can he be any worse than Pedro?  Can't be no worse than Falcao either

[Chelsea4 1,521]

The Chelsea squad believe forward Pato is close to joining the club. (Telegraph)

[Jcar92 66]

For what he played in Brazil, i have no idea, he can either own it or even be the flop of the year. just lol