English Freak 456 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Mata is only our best player when he's playing the best football. He's not irreplaceable and to be quite honest Oscar has had an impressive start to the season now that he's been given the chance. I think you're completely wrong about Roman by the way.He's not Brazil's number 10 (technically Neymar is, but hey ho) for nothing. I don't think the problem is Mata...it's the other players.Like last season, Mata knew he would be playing alongside Hazard, Oscar & Moses. There was no confusion about which position they should play and due to the lack of options, the manager couldn't afford to 'chop and change'.But this season, Mourinho just keeps changing the three AM's starting each game...and this is creating confusion amongst the players.You can't expect Mata to magically play at his best if he doesn't know who will be playing alongside him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 why i use great is that, if jose aint great, then no other manager is greatSeriously, he's been a good manager, but how can you back that up with facts. What makes him so much better than other top managers?He did two crazy things as a manager: he won the CL with Porto, and he won it again with Inter.-At Chelsea, he had the absolute best squad in the league. Only Man Utd came close, and they beat him in the final.-At inter, he had the absolute best squad in Italy, all the other major teams were recovering from the scandals.=> Winning national titles with these teams is something nearly every decent manager would have been able to do.-At Real, he had a phenomenal squad. Just look at the bench they had, most of those players would have started in nearly every English team.Well, he made them play like shit most of the time. Sorry to say it, but it's true. Every time he played a good team, he made them play defensively, which didn't really matter against Barça for example, because I remember a sound 5-0 defeat. He just can't seem to come up with good tactics on how an offensive team should play.Once again, i'm not saying he's a bad manager, he's one of the best of his time, but a lot of the buzz of him being viewed as "the special one" was created and strengthened by himself, being the funny guy during interviews, always acting like he's confident, creating news, creating feuds... If you look through that, you'll see that he only won 1 or 2 decent trophies in a 3 year Real run (where he was able to buy almost every player he wanted), and that he was practically spit out by what's almost the entire team near the end... couris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Oh yeah?Does the name Torres rings any bells?And that guy was and is useless! How much more for someone like Mata? To the moon and back me thinks! You see, Roman is like a fan. For him his player are the best ever and it's always the managers fault. Sort of like Mexico that always blame the coach after sucking ass! How do you replace 50m Torres ? As we have seen, Torres stays despite his inability to score, but all others are moved out, Sturridge, Lukaku loaned.To say, Mata could be sold is just plain shortsightedness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Then do something with his trolling, please.If he's annoying you, then just put him on ignore for a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 If he's annoying you, then just put him on ignore for a few days.Excuse me, but I already posted it. I can only have so much patience, I read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Oh yeah?Yep. He's not an idiot. He knows that right now he has one of the best coaches in world football at the helm and the clusterfuck of last season was a result of a lack of patience - why else would he re-hire Mourinho?I pray he has the patience that I think he does, and I hope the Chelsea supporters do too. It's at times like this when the wheat is sorted from the chaff because supporting a club isn't just about getting your new shirt with the gold Premier League badges printed on and the commemorative Champions League stitching.You can't expect Mata to magically play at his best if he doesn't know who will be playing alongside him...I don't. I just expect him to do a little better than he has done, and for me not to worry when he comes on. Like I said, I like him and he was our best player over the last two years but I've not seen any reason for him to be selected over Oscar in the number 10 shirt. Oscar is playing well.To say, Mata could be sold is just plain shortsightedness.Not if there are adequate replacements. Oscar has shown that he is starting to fulfil that massive potential whilst De Bruyne seems to have all the tools needed to be a top-class player.6 players for 3 positions is looking like a bit of a problem right now. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,602 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Yep. He's not an idiot. He knows that right now he has one of the best coaches in world football at the helm and the clusterfuck of last season was a result of a lack of patience - why else would he re-hire Mourinho?I pray he has the patience that I think he does, and I hope the Chelsea supporters do too. It's at times like this when the wheat is sorted from the chaff because supporting a club isn't just about getting your new shirt with the gold Premier League badges printed on and the commemorative Champions League stitching.I don't. I just expect him to do a little better than he has done, and for me not to worry when he comes on. Like I said, I like him and he was our best player over the last two years but I've not seen any reason for him to be selected over Oscar in the number 10 shirt. Oscar is playing well.Not if there are adequate replacements. Oscar has shown that he is starting to fulfil that massive potential whilst De Bruyne seems to have all the tools needed to be a top-class player.6 players for 3 positions is looking like a bit of a problem right now.Fair enough. I will hold me head under water and hope 3 months from now are doing much better. But like I said I still have the doubt of weather Mourinho is the right man in term of philosophy. The philosophy has to be hand in hand with what the owner wants. If one is pulling one way, and the other another way it will never work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Still to sell your best, as Mata is, it makes no sense, at all. Those who think, Mata should be moved might as well stick to watching darts, instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott 2,732 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Excuse me, but I already posted it. I can only have so much patience, I read.Looool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Still to sell your best, as Mata is, it makes no sense, at all. Those who think, Mata should be moved might as well stick to watching darts, instead.Sorry to correct you, but I don't think anyone has said he should be sold only that he could be if he doesn't find a place in the team and other players begin to shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Anyone who thinks Mata should be sold even slightly, still should give up watching Chelsea. xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,582 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Avram Grant insists Chelsea have the best squad in the Premier League - and claims they have the quality to turn around their poor early season form.http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-grant-chelsea-have-talent-turn-around-poor-form-13091960687Andy Gray believes Jose Mourinho made a major mistake in loaning out Romelu Lukaku after seeing Chelsea slip to a second successive defeat.http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-gray-tells-mourinho-you-blundered-letting-lukaku-leave-13091960652 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edetarod 2,155 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Luiz Terry in defenseMikel Rami in the pivotMata in the middlefor the next 5 games at least please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 I hope we will have success but the more I think about it the more I see Mourinho at PSG in a not so long future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 I hope we will have success but the more I think about it the more I see Mourinho at PSG in a not so long future.Then who will be our manager? Mourinho not going anywhere for a long time. He will get whatever time he wants to fix the squad, simply because a manager of his quality deserves just that. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 I hope we will have success but the more I think about it the more I see Mourinho at PSG in a not so long future.Come on now. Jose is good enough to turn things around, soon. Don´t be so skeptical over two losses. Still too early in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Then who will be our manager? Mourinho not going anywhere for a long time. He will get whatever time he wants to fix the squad, simply because a manager of his quality deserves just that.I don't know but PSG has money and it's more a Mourinho squad with more physical players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Mourinho should stop his experiments. One day we have Ramires+Mikel, the other day Van Ginkel + Lampard, then here we go with Ramires + Lampard. Then here comes Schurle, 4 days later he is not even on the bench. Etoo is the new face in town, and suddenly he became the 1st choice striker, playing 90m, even if he is out of form. Willian first match was in Europe, even tough he wasnt even on the bench against Everton.I'm still believe in Jose, but until this moment he has been 100% poor.It's called rotation, you cant expect him to use the same eleven for every single match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 It's called rotation, you cant expect him to use the same eleven for every single match. Think what we want to see is Mourinho picking his best XI and then making subtle changes here and there. Right now, he's playing different pivot combo from game to game and is doing the same with the attacking 4 ahead of the two. There's no consistency, cohesion or understanding between the players right now. All look rather lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Think what we want to see is Mourinho picking his best XI and then making subtle changes here and there. Right now, he's playing different pivot combo from game to game and is doing the same with the attacking 4 ahead of the two. There's no consistency, cohesion or understanding between the players right now. All look rather lost.Tbf, he has to give everyone their chance, by next month we will have our main team that will start all the big games. bababoom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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