The Mourinho Thread

[Muzchap 8,966]

For me Mourinho just hasn't adapted.

Real Madrid broke him

We got sloppy seconds - gone was the Mourinho I remember, instead we got a paranoid, grumpy little man!

Towards the end was unbearable - if it was up to me, I would have put him out of his misery earlier, excruciating watching him unravel in front of the world and cameras.

The Mourinho Mk1 - I will always love

The Mourinho Mk2 - I will thank for his effort, but could never love him as before

I think he needs to go back to Real Madrid and battle whatever demons are still eating away at him. It's sad to see him like this.

I guess Mourinho is one of those people with the rare ability to make you feel 10ft tall or 1ft high. I suspect, that as his mood intensified the former became scarcer and the latter more prevalent, that's a quick way to lose a dressing room.

I will still advocate that the players have not forced him out - just that the dynamic was no longer working - Mourinho tried everything and all it did was alienate the players further.

I get people are emotional, but life moves on, remember the good times as nobody can predict the future ?

Let's get our support on for the next game and pick up a much needed 3 points.

A winning streak until the end of the season and who knows - could potentially nick a CL spot or lift the big eared trophy ? again

[Fernando 6,585]

The last 2 weeks summed up the players attitude for whole of this season, miserable, terrible against Bournemouth at home, get up for it against Porto (to ensure they've still got something to play for after Jose is sacked) then back to another half arsed can't rebothered performance against Leicester!

Yes Jose made mistakes & those have done the rounds in here over & over, unfortunately the club were backed into a corner with us being 1 point off a relegation place & with this spineless bunch it was never going to change, they literally threw him under that bus!

Going to be an interesting transfer window in January, hopefully Roman will get rid of some of the gutless arseholes & start to give the growing list of talented young players we have in the ranks a chance & yes I do think Jose should have implemented this (said so a while back) & my biggest beef this season mainly because I think it could of saved him his job. Young players are hungry, they will give you that desire, enthusiasm & show some fight week in week out, José tried everything with the senior players but its been transparent they weren't having any of it. The team lacks leaders & a bond between them, pretty clear there are fractions amongst the squad which doesn't bode well for the interim?!

There might be an initial improvement but I can see us continually flaunting around the relegation zone unless there is one almighty shake up.

As for a new manager, well I don't see Guardiola coming, not sure why Simeone is being touted on here as members have got the arse about Jose defensive style so why would they want him? Think the interim could be in for a hiding to nothing but for me I would upset Spurs & go all out for Pochettino in the summer, this guy is brilliant in bringing through the youth talent & not frightened to either, we have a golden conveyor belt for him to chose from, these lads have been winning things together over the last 4/5 seasons, their all champing at the bit to impress & what better appointment than Poch who has proved it at Southampton too, yes there might be a trophyless season but in the long-term we could be entering a golden era if all that talent is nurtured in a couple of years.

Pochetino is of the Bielsa school. Him and pep are.

This is why I wanted to have someone like Bielsa to prepare the grounds for someone else to take over.

But Bielsa is like Mourinho, too crazy personality and these are not good for long term.

Prefare someone like Pochetino, so that's a good shout out for someone like him.

The only problem would be his experience in Europe but who cares about that just as long as we can get back on track.

[The Skipper 20,609]

That's fair enough. I don't think times had passed by the guy who won the league last season, and if they have then what does that say about the managers he beat and who are now above him? Maybe it comes down to the form is temporary and class is permanent stuff....

but if that's not true about Jose why would it be true about the players under a new manager? Can't have it both ways unfortunately.

Not each transfer is equal though. Mata wasn't needed by United and was a panic buy.

Cech was EXACTLY what Arsenal needed both on the pitch and in the locker room. It's what they needed for years and Roman undermined his coach by selling him to them against his wishes.

Maybe that's where we're different. I think Jose (like Eden) was right for us in May, is right for us now and will be right for us next season. You only believe that about Eden and you think Jose isn't.

So you're trusting the board based on what they did in 2014-15 and you hope that they'll turn it around?

I felt the same about Jose.

Fair comments.

I have to say, it's different when it comes to hiring a new manager than what went on with Jose in the last few months. The psychological aspect of the game is very underrated, and it seemed to me that the players didn't lose belief in Mourinho per se, more so in his footballing ideas. As a manager, it's important to stop individuals from becoming complacent, but Jose did not manage that and we now find ourselves in this situation.

Just to clarify on what I meant about the board - what they did in the 14/15 season was very good, but the ground work coming up to that; specifically after 2012, where they invested smartly in players such as KDB, Lukaku, Courtois, Eden, Oscar, Azpi etc... I commend them for their work there - that is the direction I saw the club going into.

It's been a pleasure debating with you, but a man has to go to bed and get ready for work. I must say again that you do come across very well in your posts, so keep it up. Hope that you stick around and become an active member here, it's nice to have different views that are put across eloquently.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Hey does this mean Lionsden is allowed back on the board now? As ultimately he was right all along?

I'm picturing and hearing the voice of vadar as he's dying in ROTJ - tell Lionsden he was right...

Nice Star Wars twist to today's saga

[y10edn 185]

Did JM leave with his back room staff? maybe Holland will take the game on Saturday but they all seem loyal to him and usually go with him.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Did JM leave with his back room staff? maybe Holland will take the game on Saturday but they all seem loyal to him and usually go with him.

Fuck me - I would go with him too - massive payout every couple of years! Boom, early retirement beckons!

[Ossie the King 634]

Fair comments.

I have to say, it's different when it comes to hiring a new manager than what went on with Jose in the last few months. The psychological aspect of the game is very underrated, and it seemed to me that the players didn't lose belief in Mourinho per se, more so in his footballing ideas. As a manager, it's important to stop individuals from becoming complacent, but Jose did not manage that and we now find ourselves in this situation.

I agree and you've used the word complacent as I did earlier. But when there's no additions to the squad of note, why wouldn't a player become complacent. When there's no ambition in the transfer market and your closest rivals spend double or triple what you have, what's to stop complacency?

We showed absolutely no ambition to improve on this squad and I think the players recognised that. It was as if we saw City spend £90 million on two players and said, here ya go.

Just to clarify on what I meant about the board - what they did in the 14/15 season was very good, but the ground work coming up to that; specifically after 2012, where they invested smartly in players such as KDB, Lukaku, Courtois, Eden, Oscar, Azpi etc... I commend them for their work there - that is the direction I saw the club going into.

From a business standpoint brilliant, but who is making these purchases and how do they see them fitting in? Half of those players were bought with Guardiola in mind weren't they? Again, what philosophy are they fitting into? Roman's eye for an appreciating asset?

It's been a pleasure debating with you, but a man has to go to bed and get ready for work. I must say again that you do come across very well in your posts, so keep it up. Hope that you stick around and become an active member here, it's nice to have different views that are put across eloquently.

Naah, I'll probably get complacent when the excitement of the day has worn off. Enjoyed the discussion though, very cathartic until I realise I have no idea what this club is doing anymore.

[Clockwork 1,794]

Pochetino is of the Bielsa school. Him and pep are.

This is why I wanted to have someone like Bielsa to prepare the grounds for someone else to take over.

But Bielsa is like Mourinho, too crazy personality and these are not good for long term.

Prefare someone like Pochetino, so that's a good shout out for someone like him.

The only problem would be his experience in Europe but who cares about that just as long as we can get back on track.

I am an avid follower of Bielsa, pochetino in noway is similar to Bielsa or comes from his school of thought.

Jorge Sampaoli is the closest thing to Bielsa, but the pupil has surpassed the mentor. Mainly due to his personality, which allow him to be more flexible.

Just want to point that out.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

With social media you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Being such high profile it's difficult, Cesc has done it and had pelters, best let leave it lie if it was me.

I know but as I remember the whole real squad thanked Ancelotti in summer...think if the players were in such great relationship as they were saying in media then they would definately say something regarding this in public too, like Azpi did.

But then again they aint as big divas as madrid players indeed and might just do it privately (or not at all because Im positive the relaions werent as bright as they made it look like, that was impossible by seeing what was going on on the pitch)

[Jase 43,479]

Did JM leave with his back room staff? maybe Holland will take the game on Saturday but they all seem loyal to him and usually go with him.

[mccg 1,528]

For a club now as big as ours ,it is unacceptable to have lost this many games at this time of the season, never mind 10+games in a whole season.I didnt want Jose to get sacked but to walk away,now we have another £$ payout grrr.Jose thx 4 the good times!

[Fernando 6,585]

I am an avid follower of Bielsa, pochetino in noway is similar to Bielsa or comes from his school of thought.

Jorge Sampaoli is the closest thing to Bielsa, but the pupil has surpassed the mentor. Mainly due to his personality, which allow him to be more flexible.

Just want to point that out.

Not similar but he came from that school.

I guess I meant it wrong.

I meant it more like avb.

He was with the man and learned a lot from him.

[Clockwork 1,794]

Not similar but he came from that school.

I guess I meant it wrong.

I meant it more like avb.

He was with the man and learned a lot from him.

Ok I get what you are saying.

Throughout his career Pochetino has taken things from Bielsa and crated his own managerial ways.

AVB on the hand I can definitely see much more of a similarity. Sampaoli is pretty much almost replica of Bielsa, but more pragmatic some way.

Sampaoli is definitely the manager I would love to see at Chelsea over anyone( pep included)

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

JT was the best defender in the league last season, unfortunately he's being found out because he hasn't the protection infront of him as Matic has been largely poor & also covering too much ground trying to cover Fabs arse! I maybe wrong but I don't see JT as a starter next season, would be good to have him around as player coach or involved in some description.

I believe our midfield needs major surgery & legs! Yes there are problems at the back but if we kept the ball more often instead of giving it away after 2 passes then we wouldn't be under so much pressure, it nay not of been the right time to play the highline under AVB but I want us to play further up the pitch, we are far too deep!

Not heard of Tuchel, Poch already has the experience of the Prem league so he'd be my outstanding choice but obviously I'm open to suggestions.

Tuchel has taken over at Dortmund post Klopp. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2554744-breaking-down-how-thomas-tuchel-has-changed-borussia-dortmund-tactically

[Fernando 6,585]

Playing for Jose Mourinho 'very exhausting,' says Demba Ba

http://espnfc.com/chelsea/story/2761206/playing-for-jose-mourinho-very-exhausting-demba-ba