🇧🇷 Kenedy

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

9 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Honestly wouldn't mind Azpi staying at left back providing a quality right back is acquired, he is better going forward from that position than made out, he has been involved in a fair few goal chances since Guus came in.

Nah fam, that Azpi ar LB gig is up. Right footed RB, Left Footed LB. enough is enough. 

we're not a reinventing the wheel here at Chelsea by playing ONE inverted full-back. If it were two, maybe, but playing one has seriously hampered our attacking play.

 Azpi's not ambidextrous like Baba,  and even after playing at LB for 2 years now, he has no confidence in his left foot. Seeing Azpi have to shift the ball to his right foot to play any type of pass wastes so much time.

Secondly, Hazard is left to do all the leg work by himself on the wing, and defenders can easily double team him. Atleast with Baba/Kennedy, there's a threat of a dangerous ONE-TIME cross being played if he lays off the pass to the runner, but any pass to Azpi becomes a labored exercise in seting up the ball so he can whip it in with his preferred right.

Scenes, if Conte continues the Azpi at LB massacre. 

Hazard needs all the attacking help  we can devise for him so he isn't going up against 2 defenders every time on the wing. 

[Tomo 21,751]

13 hours ago, Blue-in-me-Veins said:

Nah fam, that Azpi ar LB gig is up. Right footed RB, Left Footed LB. enough is enough. 

we're not a reinventing the wheel here at Chelsea by playing ONE inverted full-back. If it were two, maybe, but playing one has seriously hampered our attacking play.

 Azpi's not ambidextrous like Baba,  and even after playing at LB for 2 years now, he has no confidence in his left foot. Seeing Azpi have to shift the ball to his right foot to play any type of pass wastes so much time.

Secondly, Hazard is left to do all the leg work by himself on the wing, and defenders can easily double team him. Atleast with Baba/Kennedy, there's a threat of a dangerous ONE-TIME cross being played if he lays off the pass to the runner, but any pass to Azpi becomes a labored exercise in seting up the ball so he can whip it in with his preferred right.

Scenes, if Conte continues the Azpi at LB massacre. 

Hazard needs all the attacking help  we can devise for him so he isn't going up against 2 defenders every time on the wing. 

Sorry but i disagree, i think Azpi has been top notch at left back, i always believed his lack of forward play under Jose was more down to instructions and the play he has been involved in under Guus has vindicated that thought.

Since the Dutchman has came in he has has two shots well saved by De Gea and Hennesy respectively, assisted Rubens first Chelsea goal, scored against West Brom, was directly involved in the link up play for two clear cut chances against Everton and sent in the cross for Willians chance at The Emirates. If Baba in a five game spell did even half of that there would be post after post about how we've missed that type of play from a left back, also a right footed left back helps against the growing influx of left footed right winger, as it stands who would you rather go up against Messi? Baba or Cesar? I think even the biggest "Cesar back to right back" campaigner will say the Spaniard.

Don't get me wrong i wouldn't complain if he's moved back to the right next season and we give Ake or Kenedy a shot at left back but equally i wouldn't be too upset if we sign a top right back (Aurier any one?) and keep Cesar on the left for the reasons i gave.

If the links for Bonnuci wanted by Conte are true, imagine this back four with Tibo behind them.

Aurier---Bonnuci------Zouma-----Azpi

Not many would be breaking that down.

[lucio 5,418]

even if azpi contributes some moments on the left, his whole awkwardness on the ball and one footedness will limit our play

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Kenedy is not a left back. Please stop playing him there. Redmond beat him a fair bit, I don't care how talented Redmond is (hes alright nothing special to be honest) a proper LB would of done better. Great goal though, shows why he should be playing as close to the opposition net as possible. 

[LAM09 7,056]

Showed tonight that LB isn't his position, full stop.

[the wes 7,212]

i like this kid but hes a waste at left back 

[nyikolajevics 2,700]

Man of the match: Lee Mason.

[Miguelito 459]

Well he definitely showed he's not a natural left back. But his positioning was the bad part. Obviously he's going to struggle in that aspect since he hasn't played there much. Only way to improve that is practice and play there in the game.

We should definitely keep him there though. I don't think he has quite enough talent to be a top class winger, but he definitely has the potential to be a top left back.

He certainly wasn't that great today but I thought it was encouraging display

[manpe 10,861]

He has played some two matche in total at LB, of course he's not going to look natural. Taking that into consideration I thought he did really well, but I felt safer soaking the pressure with Baba and I think this substitution was exactly for that.

Btw didn't Mourinho give him his first game at LB against Norwich too?

[Yeboii 1,844]

16 minutes ago, manpe said:

He has played some two matche in total at LB, of course he's not going to look natural. Taking that into consideration I thought he did really well, but I felt safer soaking the pressure with Baba and I think this substitution was exactly for that.

Btw didn't Mourinho give him his first game at LB against Norwich too?

His first start as a LB was against Norwich I think. Maybe some tactical reasons there that we can't see, but the coaches can see?

[manpe 10,861]

Just now, Yeboii said:

His first start as a LB was against Norwich I think. Maybe some tactical reasons there that we can't see, but the coaches can see?

Mourinho gave a tactical reason for that game and it made sense because of Ivanovic playing at RB being able to convert to CB if need be. Now we had no options to switch to three central defenders, so the reasons must have been different.

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Kenedy is not a left back. Please stop playing him there. Redmond beat him a fair bit, I don't care how talented Redmond is (hes alright nothing special to be honest) a proper LB would of done better. Great goal though, shows why he should be playing as close to the opposition net as possible. 

He picked up the ball overlapping Hazard then ran into the space he had and got his shot away, space he wouldn't have been granted playing left wing.

His goal if anything strengthens the argument to play him at full back.

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

He picked up the ball overlapping Hazard then ran into the space he had and got his shot away, space he wouldn't have been granted playing left wing.

His goal if anything strengthens the argument to play him at full back.

That's just one example. You're saying as if he wouldn't be able to score at all if he was playing as an attacking wide player instead.

[Tomo 21,751]

Just now, Jason said:

That's just one example. You're saying as if he wouldn't be able to score at all if he was playing as an attacking wide player instead.

Of course not, but Robert has not got great close control and decision making, at full back that isn't much of an issue going forward because of the more space they get, as shown by his goal tonight.

I see his potential at as left side version ofAlves, Pep played Dani as a winger a few times and he was average, at right back he's devastating, from what I've seen of Kenedy, if he can improve on his defence, his future is left back.

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Of course not, but Robert has not got great close control and decision making, at full back that isn't much of an issue going forward because of the more space they get, as shown by his goal tonight.

I see his potential at as left side version ofAlves, Pep played Dani as a winger a few times and he was average, at right back he's devastating, from what I've seen of Kenedy, if he can improve on his defence, his future is left back.

I would rather get a proper left back rather than trying to fit square pegs in round holes. It's not like an actual left back can't score goals like Kenedy did earlier!

[Yeboii 1,844]

5 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Of course not, but Robert has not got great close control and decision making, at full back that isn't much of an issue going forward because of the more space they get, as shown by his goal tonight.

I see his potential at as left side version ofAlves, Pep played Dani as a winger a few times and he was average, at right back he's devastating, from what I've seen of Kenedy, if he can improve on his defence, his future is left back.

Kenedy can also score and play well as a winger. See his game against Walsall.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Just now, Tomo said:

He picked up the ball overlapping Hazard then ran into the space he had and got his shot away, space he wouldn't have been granted playing left wing.

His goal if anything strengthens the argument to play him at full back.

He was in a left wing position, Hazard was more central, hes not going to have that many chances to score goals from LB considering Hazard usually plays on left more often than not, sure Hazard comes inside but he is still mainly on the left side of the pitch. If Kenedy was playing LW he would have exactly the same space and opportunities to do what he did tonight but more often. Also why play a left winger as a left back, who struggled defensively all game against a poor side who clearly targeted him, where the winger doesn't offer as much protection as is given on the right side? 

 

In my opinion Kenedy has deserved to play left wing ahead of Hazard for 3/4s of the season so far and its a shame he hasn't because he really looks like he could become an excellent and exciting wide player. His key attributes when he signed were meant to be dribbling and shooting, hes not going to get many chances to shoot if hes playing left back, Hazard isn't untouchable and if Kenedy was competing directly for a left wing spot I think he would give Hazard more motivation to play at a higher level again. I think the fact Baba hasn't been given a long run in the team and the fact Eden Hazard is Eden Hazard makes people want to see Kenedy as a left back instead of his best position, left wing. 

[Unionjack 7,531]

Hed probably make a good wing back if Conte does his 3-5-2

[Tomo 21,751]

Just now, Jason said:

I would rather get a proper left back rather than trying to fit square pegs in round holes. It's not like an actual left back can't score goals like Kenedy did earlier!

 

Just now, Jason said:

I would rather get a proper left back rather than trying to fit square pegs in round holes. It's not like an actual left back can't score goals like Kenedy did earlier!

Full backs are always square pegs in round holes, as Carra said no one starts in that position they end up there, Lucas Pizsczek was a striker till mid 20s and hes done all right.

Way I see it with Robert as a winger his potential is a decent standard hardworking little player, nothing bad about that but I believe he can be absolute top bracket as full back, so we will in my opinion be mad not to try and develop him there.

Also although he ended up in another position from the left wing imagine if Wenger decided to sign a new striker and play Henry in his "natural" left wing position?

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Just now, Tomo said:

 

Full backs are always square pegs in round holes, as Carra said no one starts in that position they end up there, Lucas Pizsczek was a striker till mid 20s and hes done all right.

Way I see it with Robert as a winger his potential is a decent standard hardworking little player, nothing bad about that but I believe he can be absolute top bracket as full back, so we will in my opinion be mad not to try and develop him there.

Also although he ended up in another position from the left wing imagine if Wenger decided to sign a new striker and play Henry in his "natural" left wing position?

I'm sorry but I am intrigued how someone who cannot position himself well and has struggled defensively at left back when he plays can ever become a top bracket full back? He was caught out easily for the Norwich goal, as well as Ivanovic. Some players do well in a change of position but some don't. Someone who was compared to Hulk, talked about being fast, direct and having a powerful shot surely playing left back would an utter waste. Like I said before I think Eden's presence in the team regardless of his form makes people question whether Kenedy could ever break through in that position but we've seen this season hes been bright and excelled on in bursts. He has a big future ahead of him if his involvement in the team continues, the same with Bertrand Traore. Also regarding Henry comment, big difference going from a left winger to a striker than a left winger to a left back. 

If he keeps playing LB and teams keep exposing him defensively, soon enough fans will criticize him and turn on him and its back to square one with youth. Give them a chance yes but at least don't put too much pressure on them making them play a brand new position than is alien to them where they could really struggle like he did defensively tonight.