🇬🇭 Baba Rahman

[Parky 739]

Easy to blame a youngster and claim he hasn't performed. But Baba truly needs the full backing of the manager which means he should be starting LB regularly allowing him to grow in confidence and reach his potential. I've seen enough in the handful of games he has played for us to say he has the potential to be a fantastic LB except here at Chelsea we'd rather play a right footed RB as LB paired with an old donkey in Ivanovic.

I am empathic to Baba speaking to the media like he has. Seems like he's not a stupid kid just to sit and warm the bench while watching donkeys like Ivanovic and Oscar starting every game irrespective of performance and ability. Maybe with the stupid hierarchy we have at Chelsea he will become another Bertrand or De Bruyne and shipped out as shit goods but turn out to be a gem in another team where they appreciate investing in youth with great potential on the pitch and not just in their transfer & profit policies.

 

 

 

[Special Juan 28,141]

35 minutes ago, Tomo said:

35 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Then he should up his game, he has been awful every time bar the Kiev game.

Then he should up his game, he has been awful every time bar the Kiev game.

Up his game? He can't even get in the side to up his game. I'd love to you know your take on Sir Ivanovic on the other side if you think Baba has been awful...

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, DYC. said:

You always sugarcoat Ivanovic's performances but him you call awful. Come on, Tomo.

I don't sugarcoat Ivanovic performances, far from it, what I do say is him out of the team won't change an awful lot to the team dynamic, same will be case with Baba in/out but still....

Also I don't think Baba is awful, he's just been bad for us, he's young so got time, but right now all that will change swapping Ivan for him is what side flank the opposition target.

56 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Up his game? He can't even get in the side to up his game. I'd love to you know your take on Sir Ivanovic on the other side if you think Baba has been awful...

Ivanovic has also been bad, but two wrongs don't make a right, also due to Ivans shit form has probably came the desperation to over rate Babas perfomances and make him sound better than he has been, Choulo touched up on it after one game where Baba was average but you think he was amazing looking at the comments.

If I had it my way we would sign a new fullback this January and have both as back up, Baba is young so has time to improve, but apart from Kiev at home, were in his defense he kept Yarmalenko on a leash all night, I've seen nothing from him that excites me, compared to Kenedys displays at left back which massively got my attention.

[Azul 1,615]

Chelsea defender Baba Rahman: It's frustrating to watch from the stands... I don't want to experience that any longer

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3397371/Chelsea-defender-Baba-Rahman-s-frustrating-watch-stands-don-t-want-experience-longer.html#ixzz3x8GwuBFc 

 

Then he should up his game, he has been awful every time bar the Kiev game.

Ivanovic has been much worse. We know that Ivanovic wont improve but Baba has potential.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Just now, Tomo said:

I don't sugarcoat Ivanovic performances, far from it, what I do say is him out of the team won't change an awful lot to the team dynamic, same will be case with Baba in/out but still....

Also I don't think Baba is awful, he's just been bad for us, he's young so got time, but right now all that will change swapping Ivan for him is what side flank the opposition target.

Ivanovic has also been bad, but two wrongs don't make a right, also due to Ivans shit form has probably came the desperation to over rate Babas perfomances and make them sound better than they are, Choulo touched up on it after one game where Baba was average but you think he was amazing looking at the comments.

If I had it my way we would sign a new fullback this January and have both as back up, Baba is young so has time to improve, but apart from Kiev at home, were in his defense he kept Yarmalenko on a leash all night, I've seen nothing from him that excites me, even compared to Kenedys displays at left back which massively got my attention.

Nobody is over-rating Baba, they can't, he's hardly played. The annoyance comes because Brana has been so poor yet nothing has changed, his poor form never even saw him dropped, he only missed out due to injury. Baba will not get better on the bench, he should of got more game time but due to a stubborn manager who thought the sun shone out of Iva's arse we have had to put up with his shit performances week in and week out. 

So when does he get a chance? We have a natural right back playing LB and a kid who needs blooding sat on the bench rotting at the expense of a bloke who hasn't put in a decent game this season for me.

So much wrong with this football clubs outlook it's fucking scary.

[LemmeBorrowThat 124]

Play the man and let him learn. Its not like Ivanovic is outplaying him...

[OhForAGreavsie 6,075]

1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

Nobody is over-rating Baba, they can't, he's hardly played.

 

That's exactly why they can.

1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

[Baba] should of got more game time but due to a stubborn manager who thought the sun shone out of Iva's arse we have had to put up with his shit performances week in and week out.

Baba has not convinced either of the Chelsea managers he's played for that he merits a place in the side. Baba can hope that Guus's mind is not already set against him but it's a mistake to see this a Mourinho issue.

1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

So when does he get a chance?

When, and only when, he convinces the manager to pick him. Barring your appointment to the hot seat that's his only route into the team. You are clearly unhappy about it but does it tell you nothing that both Guus & Jose have preferred Branna, even at his at his present level, over Baba?

[didierforever 7,349]

53 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

When, and only when, he convinces the manager to pick him. Barring your appointment to the hot seat that's his only route into the team. You are clearly unhappy about it but does it tell you nothing that both Guus & Jose have preferred Branna, even at his at his present level, over Baba?

we are 14th in the league table or is it 15th? i dont know, dont remember and honestly dont even want to look at the table this season. and iva is one of the main reasons of why we are in this position. so it only tells me that one of the manager (who has already been sacked) made a massive massive mistake adn the other one is doing the same.

 

[Parky 739]

Not even on today's bench. Poor kid must feel devastated and his confidence will probably be at rock bottom.

 

 

 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,075]

4 hours ago, didierforever said:

we are 14th in the league table or is it 15th? i dont know, dont remember and honestly dont even want to look at the table this season. and iva is one of the main reasons of why we are in this position. so it only tells me that one of the manager (who has already been sacked) made a massive massive mistake adn the other one is doing the same.

 

Well, let's see how Guus's opinion on Baba develops but why do you think he has, up to now, made the same decision Jose did?

[didierforever 7,349]

31 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Well, let's see how Guus's opinion on Baba develops but why do you think he has, up to now, made the same decision Jose did?

probably for the same reason Oscar starts every game over RLC. the fact that they are "big names" or "big money signing" or something. but it surely has no relation to their ability whatsoever.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,075]

10 minutes ago, didierforever said:

probably for the same reason Oscar starts every game over RLC. the fact that they are "big names" or "big money signing" or something. but it surely has no relation to their ability whatsoever.

Is it worth considering that they have seen more than you have of the younger players and that both managers simply think you are wrong?

[didierforever 7,349]

8 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Is it worth considering that they have seen more than you have of the younger players and that both managers simply think you are wrong?

the results and performances beg to differ. also, they are humans. who seem to err. just more than most of the other managers in the world.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,075]

5 hours ago, didierforever said:

the results and performances beg to differ. also, they are humans. who seem to err. just more than most of the other managers in the world.

No they don't. Just because the road travelled ain't good don't mean the road not travelled is better.

Perhaps the managers who err less do so because they don't have the privilege of calling you a fan.

[didierforever 7,349]

24 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

No they don't. Just because the road travelled ain't good don't mean the road not travelled is better.

Perhaps the managers who err less do so because they don't have the privilege of calling you a fan.

perhaps. or maybe those managers have the balls to drop underperforming players and actually put faith in others. be it lukaku, kdb, bertrand, baba, luis. the list goes on and on.

pep dropped yaya toure for sergio busquets the KID. people laughed at him at that point, look at things now.

also, iva is 31 already. baba is 21 and has a good future ahead of him. instead of investing our time in giving baba the required experience, we wasted it on playing iva match after match. now, dont get me wrong. i have nothing against iva i love the guy just like jose, but not when it harms the club. but then again, not every one can be as good a fan as you. or maybe you just love the moral high ground. oh well.

[The Skipper 20,609]

5 hours ago, didierforever said:

pep dropped yaya toure for sergio busquets the KID. people laughed at him at that point, look at things now.

Baba is not as talented as Busquets is though, you can't say the talent is equivalent. It's a poor comparison.

[11Drogba 2,000]

23 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Baba is not as talented as Busquets is though, you can't say the talent is equivalent. It's a poor comparison.

Iva is also not as good as Toure. 

[didierforever 7,349]

1 hour ago, The Skipper said:

Baba is not as talented as Busquets is though, you can't say the talent is equivalent. It's a poor comparison.

l know, but like @11Drogba said, iva is no yaya. pep replaced yaya at his peak, this was iva at his worst.

also, it was an example to show that sometimes risks have to be taken, that tried and tested is not the only right way.

 

[Tomo 21,751]

8 minutes ago, didierforever said:

l know, but like @11Drogba said, iva is no yaya. pep replaced yaya at his peak, this was iva at his worst.

also, it was an example to show that sometimes risks have to be taken, that tried and tested is not the only right way.

 

If we are going to take the risk then Kenedy at left back is probably a better bet at the minute, his display against Norwich is better than anything we've seen from Baba so far, in my opinion, I really hope Guus carries on that expierment.

With the Baba vs Ivanovic thing, Baba has been very shaky so far, so easing him into it is the right thing, having so many bad expierences at a young age in football can affect you mentally, you only need to look at Scott Carson as proof of that, he was developing very nicely until Croatia gate happened.

[The Skipper 20,609]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

If we are going to take the risk then Kenedy at left back is probably a better bet at the minute, his display against Norwich is better than anything we've seen from Baba so far, in my opinion, I really hope Guus carries on that expierment.

With the Baba vs Ivanovic thing, Baba has been very shaky so far, so easing him into it is the right thing, having so many bad expierences at a young age in football can affect you mentally, you only need to look at Scott Carson as proof of that, he was developing very nicely until Croatia gate happened.

Yup. Baba has not impressed much at all in the limited time he's been given. I can only assume he isn't impressing much in training either. Compare it with someone like RLC who has had just as many limited minutes but has looked far more impressive than Baba. I actually think (unfortunately) that Azpi and Ivan are our best fullbacks by some distance, which is a shame.

Never convinced by the signing and he's not doing anything to prove me wrong so far but time will tell. Thought we should've got a more established fullback like Kurzawa or maybe Gaya in the summer.