DYC. 7,542 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 His injury record since 2007 isn't irrelevant, but ok. I get what you're saying about less strain and better medical staff and that is right.As for him, Costa and Remy being injured all at once, why not? Take last season for example, there was a period around October-November when Costa missed 4 games through injury and 1 thorugh suspension, Remy missed 7 games through injury and in that time period IIRC RVP was injured too. That'd be 5 games in a row RVP would have to have played, even if he was fit. Also in April-May time, Costa missed 8 games through injury, Remy 5 games and RVP 9. There's 1 instance where we would've been without a striker, so I can't see how you could say it would never happen? Also, having only 1 of 3 striker available at any one time is bad enough, you're relying fully on that striker then and have no differing style on the bench. We should want to have at least 2 strikers around at any 1 time.Look, I get that RVP is your fellow countryman and so you're going to back him to the hilt, that's understandable. But I really don't think he'd fit at this club or is what we need right now. Of course his wages would be lower but I seriously doubt if he goes from a club that's competing for 4th place to a team that has just become the champions of the same league he's going to take much of a pay cut. Even if he drops down to 150k p/w that's still extortionate, even 100k p/w is far too much for a 3rd choice and he'd never halve his wage demands.As for him not being good enough to back up... He only scored 10 goals in 29 appearances this season, having played 2197 minutes (that's a goal every 219.7 minutes) which is hardly top class. For comparison Remy got 9 goals this season in 1176 minutes (that's a goal every 130 minutes). Obviously he has been brilliant in the past so i'm not writing him off yet but like you said yourself, the past is irrelevant, it's the now that matters. And the now is telling me that RVP is out of form, on the decline and still has injury problems.If we're going to buy a 3rd choice striker then why don't we actually buy someone young? We have Remy who is 31 or so and Costa is no spring chicken. Why not bring in a youngster rather than another old player? What about Charlie Austin? Icardi? Dybala? Batshuayi? Ings? Tbh my choice is that we don't buy anyone and promote Bamford to this 1st team because he's more than good enough to be our 3rd choice IMO. But if we insist on buying someone I would much rather 1 of the lot i've mentioned who would be far more of a safe choice than RVP or Falcao, much younger and have much lower wages.Van Persie and I sharing a nationality has nothing to do with it. This is the first time I've been called biased towards Dutch players, I guess it was bound to happen. There are only two Dutch players I've been a fan of, Bergkamp and Robben. They've could've been Nigerian for all I care. Being a fan or being biased towards a player that was born in the same country as yourself is something I find utterly ridiculous and have never understood. I judge based on quality.Looking at his minutes per goal is fine and all, but that's not what you focus on in a back up striker. And Van Persie has never been a pure goal-scorer, he offers more than that.Remy is 28 if I'm not mistaken. Costa is 26. They have plenty of years ahead of them, and then there's Solanke. Chelsea can also buy players every summer and winter, not every signing has to be and can be long term.You seem to be part of the group that places a lot of importance on having two quality (even though Van Persie is still quality imo) strikers on the bench. Take a look at the other elite clubs in Europe and look at their options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Van Persie and I sharing a nationality has nothing to do with it. This is the first time I've been called biased towards Dutch players, I guess it was bound to happen. There are only two Dutch players I've been a fan of, Bergkamp and Robben. They've could've been Nigerian for all I care. Being a fan or being biased towards a player that was born in the same country as yourself is something I find utterly ridiculous and have never understood. I judge based on quality.Looking at his minutes per goal is fine and all, but that's not what you focus on in a back up striker. And Van Persie has never been a pure goal-scorer, he offers more than that.Remy is 28 if I'm not mistaken. Costa is 26. They have plenty of years ahead of them, and then there's Solanke. Chelsea can also buy players every summer and winter, not every signing has to be and can be long term.You seem to be part of the group that places a lot of importance on having two quality (even though Van Persie is still quality imo) strikers on the bench. Take a look at the other elite clubs in Europe and look at their options. I never accused you of bias mate. Read what I said again. I said you back your countrymen to the hilt, as does everyone. I'm the same, I'm loyal to Chelsea players and England players and will defend them as much as I can. It wasn't an accusation of bias. It's a natural thing that we all have.As for the minutes per goal thing. Well yeah I agree that's not everything but I don't see what more RVP offers? He's not quick around the park, doesn't work particularly hard with or without the ball and doesn't often get assists. He's an underrated passer of the ball I grant you, but I'd much rather a player who's going to work hard and can score goals when the team is under intense pressure. RVP's greatest strength IMO is his finishing. When on form his finishing is easily one of the best in the world. I mean, look at some of the goals he's scored in recent years, ridiculous. You are right actually I thought Remy was older for some reason. I don't think we should have 2 quality strikers on the bench no, all the players I suggested are not exactly the best in the world!! Ok, Real Madrid have Benzema, CR7, Javier Hernandez and Jese Rodriguez. Barcelona have Neymar, Messi and Suarez. I don't think it's unreasonable to want Costa, Remy and Bamford/Austin/Ings/Icardi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I never accused you of bias mate. Read what I said again. I said you back your countrymen to the hilt, as does everyone. I'm the same, I'm loyal to Chelsea players and England players and will defend them as much as I can. It wasn't an accusation of bias. It's a natural thing that we all have.As for the minutes per goal thing. Well yeah I agree that's not everything but I don't see what more RVP offers? He's not quick around the park, doesn't work particularly hard with or without the ball and doesn't often get assists. He's an underrated passer of the ball I grant you, but I'd much rather a player who's going to work hard and can score goals when the team is under intense pressure. RVP's greatest strength IMO is his finishing. When on form his finishing is easily one of the best in the world. I mean, look at some of the goals he's scored in recent years, ridiculous.You are right actually I thought Remy was older for some reason.I don't think we should have 2 quality strikers on the bench no, all the players I suggested are not exactly the best in the world!!Ok, Real Madrid have Benzema, CR7, Javier Hernandez and Jese Rodriguez. Barcelona have Neymar, Messi and Suarez.I don't think it's unreasonable to want Costa, Remy and Bamford/Austin/Ings/Icardi.Haha I even disagree with that. Backing your countrymen... I really don't understand that. But I'll leave that alone, it's not important.Fair enough, I misunderstood then. I don't understand why a young player would leave being first choice role at their club to become a back-up though.Jese never plays up top, Cristiano only plays centre-forward with a partner. Benzema and Hernandez are Real's strikers. Neymar never plays striker for Barca. Once Suarez claimed the #9 spot, Barca never looked back and only use him. If he's injured or rested. Pedro comes in, a natural wide man.Most top teams with a one-striker system have two strikers, with a wide man or attacking midfielder (or youth player) as the third option. It's not an crucial role that needs to be stocked with a great option imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaFanUK 1,014 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 SSN just reported that they understand Falcao is speaking to Chelsea ahead of a move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Yes, sounds like it could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,054 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Not surprised. It's not secret that Mourinho prefers experienced players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 It's seems close now. But still waiting for confirmation. This is the kind of deal that could falls through anytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,700 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Falcao has been on his way to Chelsea for 2009. Sign him already and get over it because I'm sick of the constant rumours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Falcao has been on his way to Chelsea for 2009. Sign him already and get over it because I'm sick of the constant rumours.This time is more possible than ever though. We don't have any real competitors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,700 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 This time is more possible than ever though. We don't have any real competitors.Well, according to Sky there are several other clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I'm trusting Jose's judgment here and if Chelsea's medical team will give the green light on this, then hell yeah, bring El Tigre here. As much as I love Diego Costa, I think Falcao is a better all round player and I feel Chelsea will benefit so much from this signing.A monster of a striker before that injury, his work rate is still amazing and if he can get back to his old form, than Chelsea will have a hell of a strikeforce next season. Another positive in this is that Diego and Falcao have played together for Atletico, so they know each other very well. The fact that he is willing to take a huge pay cut in his wages and play for Mourinho shows his desire to get back to his old form and bang goals for fun. He is simply too good to pass on. Hopefully that injury is behind him now after a season of accomodation in England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Well, according to Sky there are several other clubs.I mean in England. Heard he want to play in England really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Well, according to Sky there are several other clubs.Probably would have been named , if we weren't clear frontrunners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,909 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 So long as we also sign Griezmann then I'm fine with Falcao. We need an attacking player that directly and instantly improves our first XI and Falcao isn't that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 If Falcao is able to recovers his performance prior to February 2014 (I trust Jose and our medical staff) we would have the first or second best pure forward in the world. I think his signing is a risk we have to take.Jose used the experience to compete for Champions League. Facao is perfect in experience. A key player on each Final that he has played.Falcao also bring us the tactical ability to play with two forwards (Diego Costa - Falcao) at certain times of the season (not always) as a very interesting tactical variant.Diego and Falcao are understood in the grass to perfecion.And Falcao could motivate Diego Costa to make Diego the best forward in the world. Competition and meritocracy for our forward.That would be a great signing. Hopefully the rumors are confirmed soon.Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosuke Aizen 46 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 As I have already said, I am not too fond of this move. But if he takes a massive cut, as is being suggested and Jose thinks he can be our 3rd choice striker, which he seems like he does, I am going to trust Jose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1chelsea 864 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Since Aguero signing I never hunger for a technical powerful striker as Radamel Falcao, I would love this to go through. I bet some still want Aguero here I would have been happy to have Falcao whom I place on same level with Aguero.Sign Him up!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Falcao has been on his way to Chelsea for 2009. Sign him already and get over it because I'm sick of the constant rumours.I imagine we'll be linked with Cavani and Aguero too at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boshman 1,073 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Well Bamford ain't playing here next season then if this true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 dont get why people are backing this. pre-injury falcao is history. who cares about this, what counts is the presence and he was dogshit playing for United. he looked like a kid playing football for the first time and completely got bullied. couldnt cope with the tempo neither with the physicality of the game. Mourinho aint a magician, unlike some people in here seem to think. would be a complete disaster to sign him, especially with his salary (even if taking a pay cut, he would still be one of the best earning players) and his injury profile. hopefully we will dodge this bullet. Futhermore he wont have any re-sell value at all if he flops.dont get why we arent interested in Vietto for example. 20 m euros is his clause and he is one of the best talents in the world..instead we are going for dead wood. Icardi would be an option too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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