Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Blue_Fox_ said: That was in my first post. Was it not? Ya that's what I thought... So you see him getting in ahead of our player of the year? Willian? In any variation of 4-4-2 Willian is wide right more often than anything else. Its clear a two striker system leaves us with one less attacking mid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said: Ya that's what I thought... So you see him getting in ahead of our player of the year? Willian? In any variation of 4-4-2 Willian is wide right more often than anything else. Its clear a two striker system leaves us with one less attacking mid. A number of things can happen. As I've already explained it might be we'll keep using a 4-2-3-1 (something I don't really want) It might be we'd be going with a 4-4-2 Diamond (Interesting idea) In a 4-4-2 (4-2-4) for Conte, it might happen that Hazard plays as the second striker (If our Morata chase will fail) And to be honest if we manage to get a proper cm I can see him getting in ahead of Willian a fair number of times. As I've said, he is a fantastic player, even more so than Schurrle in my opinion, and it would be a waste to keep him on the bench more minutes than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Just now, Blue_Fox_ said: A number of things can happen. As I've already explained it might be we'll keep using a 4-2-3-1 (something I don't really want) It might be we'd be going with a 4-4-2 Diamond (Interesting idea) In a 4-4-2 (4-2-4) for Conte, it might happen that Hazard plays as the second striker (If our Morata chase will fail) And to be honest if we manage to get a proper cm I can see him getting in ahead of Willian a fair number of times. As I've said, he is a fantastic player, even more so than Schurrle in my opinion, and it would be a waste to keep him on the bench more minutes than not. lets assume the obvious is the case. We sign Candreva and Morata... Have you ever seen a Conte side play 4-2-3-1? By all accounts we're playing a two striker system and in no way is are interest in Morata a sign that Hazard will play in the secondary striker role. I appreciate your love of Candreva, I like him too but if all things are equal and we are interested in him to play a known Conte formation, I think its safe to say its Candreva and not Willian who will be coming off the bench. Candreva gives us more flexibility in shapes but as an out and out winger (4-4-2 or 4-2-2 or whatever) Willian offers more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said: lets assume the obvious is the case. We sign Candreva and Morata... Have you ever seen a Conte side play 4-2-3-1? By all accounts we're playing a two striker system and in no way is are interest in Morata a sign that Hazard will play in the secondary striker role. I appreciate your love of Candreva, I like him too but if all things are equal and we are interested in him to play a known Conte formation, I think its safe to say its Candreva and not Willian who will be coming off the bench. Candreva gives us more flexibility in shapes but as an out and out winger (4-4-2 or 4-2-2 or whatever) Willian offers more. Conte did play 4-2-3-1 a few matches (as I've said already it's not my favourite option) Again, IF our chase for Morata should fail, I can see Hazard getting minutes as a second striker, because his work rate is shite and Conte doesn't really do free roles. Are you sure in a 4-4-2 under Conte, Willian would get more minutes than Candreva? I'm not so sure, looking at their traits, and what they like to do during the course of a match, I think Candreva has every opportunity to start AT LEAST (again you seem to want to read only what suits you) as much minutes as Willian. And again, it might be (pure speculation I know, and something you conveniently left out) Conte could feel like fielding a 4-4-2 Diamond for some pure midfield power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Just now, Blue_Fox_ said: Conte did play 4-2-3-1 a few matches (as I've said already it's not my favourite option) Again, IF our chase for Morata should fail, I can see Hazard getting minutes as a second striker, because his work rate is shite and Conte doesn't really do free roles. Are you sure in a 4-4-2 under Conte, Willian would get more minutes than Candreva? I'm not so sure, looking at their traits, and what they like to do during the course of a match, I think Candreva has every opportunity to start AT LEAST (again you seem to want to read only what suits you) as much minutes as Willian. And again, it might be (pure speculation I know) Conte could feel like fielding a 4-4-2 Diamond for some pure midfield power. Not his preferred shape. Lets deal with the ideal world first.... If we don't get Morata we will likely look to buy another striker, Hazard doesn't possess natural goalscoring instincts. That much to me is clear... And yes I'm sure Willian will get into the XI more often than Candreva, he's simply the better player. This conversation has gone well off the deep end. You keep bringing up scenarios that are far fetched... I like Candreva, think he's a useful player. I don't think he will start over Willian, no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said: Not his preferred shape. Lets deal with the ideal world first.... If we don't get Morata we will likely look to buy another striker, Hazard doesn't possess natural goalscoring instincts. That much to me is clear... And yes I'm sure Willian will get into the XI more often than Candreva, he's simply the better player. This conversation has gone well off the deep end. You keep bringing up scenarios that are far fetched... I like Candreva, think he's a useful player. I don't think he will start over Willian, no chance. in what way is willian better?, certainly not in shooting and crossing, which is what we need from the winger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said: This conversation has gone well off the deep end. You keep bringing up scenarios that are far fetched... I like Candreva, think he's a useful player. I don't think he will start over Willian, no chance. That might be if you keep acknowledging only what you think useful to your own points. Ya. "Conversation" over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Just now, lucio said: in what way is willian better?, certainly not in shooting and crossing, which is what we need from the winger Exactly. It is more about the system than the individual player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, lucio said: in what way is willian better?, certainly not in shooting and crossing, which is what we need from the winger Much more industry on and off the ball. blazing pace on counter scenarios. Better technique on the ball, better ball retention. We need more than shooting and crossing but I'll let you go on thinking Candreva is gonna start over willian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, Blue_Fox_ said: Exactly. It is more about the system than the individual player. Agreed. And I still think Willian offers more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said: Much more industry on and off the ball. blazing pace on counter scenarios. Better technique on the ball, better ball retention. Which is why, as already mentioned before, if we do manage to get a b2b I can easily see Candreva getting AT LEAST ( ) as much minutes as Willian. The system could be much more effective then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, Blue_Fox_ said: Which is why, as already mentioned before, if we do manage to get a b2b I can easily see Candreva getting AT LEAST ( ) as much minutes as Willian. The system could be much more effective then. you need to explain that. What does having a b2b have to do with Candreva and Willian's minute distribution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 12 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said: you need to explain that. What does having a b2b have to do with Candreva and Willian's minute distribution? You surely must be joking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, Blue_Fox_ said: You surely must be joking? what a weird response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 If Conte wants him, get him. Looks like an easy enough target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 53 minutes ago, manpe said: If Conte wants him, get him. Looks like an easy enough target. Except on Football Manager where Lazio only sell him for over 25,000,000 Some of those crosses he swings into the box are bloodly well fantastic. Seems like he is an awesome winger from what I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 Chelsea want to sign #Lazio winger Antonio Candreva. #CFC are understood to be rivalling #Inter Milan for the versatile 29-year-old (Mirror) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Great player and well known to Conte but can't see him signing without significant departures, especially if Cuadrado is given another shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eidur the Spider 4,515 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Candreva,has reportedly told #Lazio he wants to join #Inter but #CFC hope Conte will be able to beat Mancini to him for around £25m. (Sun) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Antonio Candreva wants to follow Antonio Conte to Chelsea, according to Italian football journalist Emanuele Giulianelli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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