Rumoured Yoshinori Muto

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

he actually did not say that at all, but some people here are trying to get on their confirmation bias I guess. He hinted at the fact that there is obviously a clear commercial benefit\aspect on the operation, but also stressed that the club would not sign a player whose quality is in discussion.

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I think you need to learn to read between the lines a bit.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

Until he's loaned out\doesn't play, the "Chelsea brand" won't grow much in actual generated revenue in Japan, though. Actually, the club who gets him on loan would probably benefit more from it, lol.

If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if United's brand got a "depreciation" in Japan after how they treated Kagawa after Ferguson left. So it's not going to be that simple, these type of fans are not just "product consumers", they must be emotionally invested.

However, as I said, I find disrespectful to assume that "it's all about" this or that. Nah. It's about getting a potentially talented player which could end up in first team or resold for a profit, and a potentially lucrative deal on the commercial side.

True, like i said it will all depend on how long he stays and how successfull he his here. If we just constantly loan him out then we'll get little to no benefit.

I agree. Like i said it'll take years to benefit from this as ,like you say, they need to become emotionally invested.

Again i agree. I don't think we're after him purely because of his marketability or because of some ridiculous clause with Yokohoma.

His marketability definitely plays a part but the main reason why we're interested in him is because he's a genuinely talented player.

You put it best : " It's about getting a potentially talented player which could end up in first team or resold for a profit, and a potentially lucrative deal on the commercial side."

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Why do people think that signing a Japanese player will make the club more popular in Japan? Timmy Cahill is one of my all time favourite players and I don't support Everton.

Do a lot of the American users on here support Everton because of Donovan and Howard? Do they support Fulham because of Clint Dempsey, Marcus Hahnemann and Eddie Lewis?

To be honest it depends.

Chelsea picked up more of an African fan base when players like Mikel, Kalou, Drogba and Essien all played here so it does work but also we signed a lot of Portuguese players in Jose's first spell and I think it had a similar effect. Also with Abramovich being Russian you heard about Russian players being Chelsea fans... Dzagoev and Zhirkov especially were the one we always heard about. Markovic at Liverpool... Chelsea fan... despite being Serbian but yeah.. depends really, doesn't always work that way.

[Joker10 946]

Why do people think that signing a Japanese player will make the club more popular in Japan? Timmy Cahill is one of my all time favourite players and I don't support Everton.

Do a lot of the American users on here support Everton because of Donovan and Howard? Do they support Fulham because of Clint Dempsey, Marcus Hahnemann and Eddie Lewis?

It works in this sense buddy.

Say hypothetically it is the first day of class and the setting is a typical university in America, and everyone in the class are complete strangers to you. Say you notice that someone else is also from Australia. You will take a more liking to this person then everyone else, because you two share a similarity. Does that mean you two are going to be friends because of that sole reason? probably not.

Same thing with Howard and Everton. I personally like Everton over Sunderland, West Ham, Spurs, Southampton, etc. But i am not going to follow Everton because of an American player only. There are other factors that comes into play.

With Muto and Japanese market: Muto playing for Chelsea plays a factor for someone choosing to support and follow Chelsea. But it wouldn't be the only factor, but undoubtedly it will play a big factor for a typical person.

Why would the rest of Asia support Chelsea because of a Japanese player?

Japan is not equal to an entire continent.

I maybe wrong, but i have noticed Ozil is quite and more then usual more popular among middle easterns football supporters. He is German, with Turkish decent.

[Strike 7,503]

Why do people think that signing a Japanese player will make the club more popular in Japan? Timmy Cahill is one of my all time favourite players and I don't support Everton.

Do a lot of the American users on here support Everton because of Donovan and Howard? Do they support Fulham because of Clint Dempsey, Marcus Hahnemann and Eddie Lewis?

i think it makes a big impact on viewers new to football. a teenager in Japan just getting into football would support Chelsea because Muto is here.

Don't think it will have much effect on people who are already fans of another team. nothing more than developing a soft corner for the club anyway

[CHOULO19 24,332]

ANd yet I was the only one you decided to quote...

Because you are the only one I saw trying to prove or disprove that using previous "examples" that are only apparently similar on the surface....and being pretty cocky about it

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Why do people think that signing a Japanese player will make the club more popular in Japan? Timmy Cahill is one of my all time favourite players and I don't support Everton.

Do a lot of the American users on here support Everton because of Donovan and Howard? Do they support Fulham because of Clint Dempsey, Marcus Hahnemann and Eddie Lewis?

Mourinho already answered that some time ago.

Pity, I couldn't find the exact quote from the article, however he said something like that :

"In Europe, and especially in England, you can't change someone's favourite team and team he supports, but in Asia you can ... then blah blah blah ... we go to Asia and we feel the love from fans there"

And BTW, if anyone remember when Chelsea went to Japan in December 2012 to play FIFA Club World Cup. It was sick. Crazy fans everywhere, at the airport, at the hotel, whenever players go to walk they follow him, when they drive to stadium, there's already lots of people outside the stadium. It seemed like if Chelsea were there to promote the brand not to play competitive football.

[David88 3]

Clubs bent over all the time in sponsors deals.. Nothing unusual.

Jose doesn't even know who this guy is and when has he ever purchased anyone from Japan, let alone asia? This deal is 100 percent a deal made by the board because of a clause in the contract.

Actually he said that he does know who he is, just can't talk about him because we have not signed him yet.

As for "when he ever purchased anyone from Japan", nobody here is suggesting that Muto is coming because the coach requested him.

But do you have an idea about how many transfers are decided by boards and only agreed with the coach? Do you think that a coach has the time to watch random league matches in search for players?

That's not how football works. It's not the coach who just makes a list of names "and that's it".

If you can't see that this deal is so obviously something that interests both parties from all point of views, it's just your personal choice, hardly the reality. And just to be clear, I'd have even accepted a cynical view like "the club is probably looking for a reselling more than hoping that he becomes first team level".

But the "sponsor clause" is just laughable. Remember that the player has to decide, and that all transfers affect FFP. They could've went for any less expensive japanese talent instead of one of the biggest.

btw, it is a known fact that Mou wanted Kagawa at Real (a google will have the story pop up) but I understand what you mean, he was playing in Dortmund already. He certainly has no prejudice towards japanese players, though.

I think you need to learn to read between the lines a bit.

This is José Mourinho, possibly the most straightforward coach in the world. Which is why he had no problem in talking about the commercial aspect. He was being honest, to the point that he specified "a very good player, or a very good prospect".

Even if I wanted to assume that he lied, then what should I think, that the board went on a non skilled player? I've seen him, currently there is nothing that makes he doesn't have potential. He's even an international.

I heard he might be injured now but I'll watch him play tomorrow morning just for the sake of.

[David88 3]

It seems that the news was previously reported on the japanese press (google translate).

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sponichi.co.jp%2Fsoccer%2Fnews%2F2015%2F04%2F10%2Fkiji%2FK20150410010141100.html&edit-text=

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

This is José Mourinho, possibly the most straightforward coach in the world. Which is why he had no problem in talking about the commercial aspect. He was being honest, to the point that he specified "a very good player, or a very good prospect".

Even if I wanted to assume that he lied, then what should I think, that the board went on a non skilled player? I've seen him, currently there is nothing that makes he doesn't have potential. He's even an international.

I heard he might be injured now but I'll watch him play tomorrow morning just for the sake of.

Are we talking about the same Jose Mourinho???? The media master and mind game king????

Jose is not at all straightforward in the media especially when it comes to transfers. One minute we're not buying anyone and no one leaves, the next minute Mata, DeBruyne and Lukaku are out the door.

In the interview what was clear to me is Jose drove home the fact that football is changing and with FFP you have to play the corporate game in order to survive. This is a corporate signing, its so obvious... And no Jose isn't gonna throw the guy under a bus by saying he's shit! He's basically said we signed the best player in Japan for our sponsor.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

It seems that the news was previously reported on the japanese press (google translate).

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sponichi.co.jp%2Fsoccer%2Fnews%2F2015%2F04%2F10%2Fkiji%2FK20150410010141100.html&edit-text=

So basically we've found our loan partner.

[David88 3]

Are we talking about the same Jose Mourinho???? The media master and mind game king????

Jose is not at all straightforward in the media especially when it comes to transfers. One minute we're not buying anyone and no one leaves, the next minute Mata, DeBruyne and Lukaku are out the door.

In the interview what was clear to me is Jose drove home the fact that football is changing and with FFP you have to play the corporate game in order to survive. This is a corporate signing, its so obvious... And no Jose isn't gonna throw the guy under a bus by saying he's shit! He's basically said we signed the best player in Japan for our sponsor.

By straightforward I didn't mean he's always "honest", just someone who's not afraid to say what he thinks.

He hasn't said we have signed the best player in Japan o_O (which is probably Takashi Usami) nor he has said that we signed him for our sponsor... I don't know how you came by these conclusions.

I'm okay "with people reading between the lines" but that shouldn't mean going for their own interpretation :/

So basically we've found our loan partner.

I'd be okay with it but I suspect they were only interested in a buy

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

By straightforward I didn't mean he's always "honest", just someone who's not afraid to say what he thinks.

He hasn't said we have signed the best player in Japan o_O (which is probably Takashi Usami) nor he has said that we signed him for our sponsor... I don't know how you came by these conclusions.

I'm okay "with people reading between the lines" but that shouldn't mean going for their own interpretation :/

I'd be okay with it but I suspect they were only interested in a buy

Brother... I know nothing about the J-league at all, its a tiny league that gets no coverage where I'm from. I don't even know one team from there. If we weren't in for the player and it didn't have corporate interest Jose would've just rubbished it and moved on. Instead he mentions how football is changing and how satisfying the sponsor is part of the game. Without being too presumptuous I think its safe to say Jose is basically saying "this is not my signing!"

You can spin it any way you want whats clear to me is Jose is OBVIOUSLY telling us that we are signing this guy with corporate interest at the heart of it. He's not just any player, he is one of the better players in the league I would imagine since that would be the reason why our sponsors would like to utilize him in marketing.

Anyways, I really don't care too much... At the end of the day this guy is either a loaner or end of the bench fodder, if it helps appease our sponsors who are helping us secure some of the best players in the world so be it.

[Oscar 441]

Actually he said that he does know who he is, just can't talk about him because we have not signed him yet.

As for "when he ever purchased anyone from Japan", nobody here is suggesting that Muto is coming because the coach requested him.

But do you have an idea about how many transfers are decided by boards and only agreed with the coach? Do you think that a coach has the time to watch random league matches in search for players?

That's not how football works. It's not the coach who just makes a list of names "and that's it".

If you can't see that this deal is so obviously something that interests both parties from all point of views, it's just your personal choice, hardly the reality. And just to be clear, I'd have even accepted a cynical view like "the club is probably looking for a reselling more than hoping that he becomes first team level".

But the "sponsor clause" is just laughable. Remember that the player has to decide, and that all transfers affect FFP. They could've went for any less expensive japanese talent instead of one of the biggest.

btw, it is a known fact that Mou wanted Kagawa at Real (a google will have the story pop up) but I understand what you mean, he was playing in Dortmund already. He certainly has no prejudice towards japanese players, though.

This is José Mourinho, possibly the most straightforward coach in the world. Which is why he had no problem in talking about the commercial aspect. He was being honest, to the point that he specified "a very good player, or a very good prospect".

Even if I wanted to assume that he lied, then what should I think, that the board went on a non skilled player? I've seen him, currently there is nothing that makes he doesn't have potential. He's even an international.

I heard he might be injured now but I'll watch him play tomorrow morning just for the sake of.

Your definitely Japanese.

IS he better than any AM on loan right? NO

Is he even the best asian player right now? NO

Best asian young player? no

[David88 3]

Brother... I know nothing about the J-league at all, its a tiny league that gets no coverage where I'm from. I don't even know one team from there. If we weren't in for the player and it didn't have corporate interest Jose would've just rubbished it and moved on. Instead he mentions how football is changing and how satisfying the sponsor is part of the game. Without being too presumptuous I think its safe to say Jose is basically saying "this is not my signing!"

You can spin it any way you want whats clear to me is Jose is OBVIOUSLY telling us that we are signing this guy with corporate interest at the heart of it. He's not just any player, he is one of the better players in the league I would imagine since that would be the reason why our sponsors would like to utilize him in marketing.

Anyways, I really don't care too much... At the end of the day this guy is either a loaner or end of the bench fodder, if it helps appease our sponsors who are helping us secure some of the best players in the world so be it.

I don't know anything from the JLeague either. I knew about Usami because I do follow the Bundesliga though, he was a nice player and I know he's back there.

As you said, Jose didn't say no we're not on him so yeah he's going to be signed probably. As for the rest, I said the same. It's pretty obvious that this isn't a request from the coach, I've never heard about a coach requesting a player from the JLeague either! Yet many clubs, esp. in Buli sign them.

But, he didn't randomly mention "how satisfying the sponsor is part of the game" by his own initiative, as if he wanted to send a message. If you remember his first answer, he just didn't want to talk about a transfer that hasn't happened.

He was then specifically asked if a commercial aspect could have an impact on a transfer.

And he spoke about that commercial aspect that is clearly there, which is something that refers to the whole club, not about "satisfying the sponsor".

The only thing I'm rejecting here, is this idea that only the sponsor is interested in the deal, or that the player was just selected by them. It's unrealistic, and disrespectful towards the club, and the player too, probably.

Then again, as you say, it won't have any particular impact on the Chelsea's team anyway.

Your definitely Japanese.

IS he better than any AM on loan right? NO

Is he even the best asian player right now? NO

Best asian young player? no

LOL I'm not japanese bro othewise I would've gladly translated what's reported 'round there or I would be here talking about how good he is as a fan him. Unfortunately I didn't even know who this guy was instead, thought it was weird.

Not sure why you're making and answering yourself those questions btw lol

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Anyone seen his last goal? What a screamer that was. If he can do it in a Chelsea shirt, then welcome aboard.

[David88 3]

Seems that he just scored in the league

I tried to watch the match this morning but honestly, I resisted like 10 minutes lol

[the wes 7,212]

Muto won't rush Chelsea decision

http://www.foxsportsasia.com/football/asian-football/news/detail/item44636/Muto-won't-rush-Chelsea-decision-?

[Jase 43,479]

Chelsea transfer news: Yoshinori Muto turns down Stamford Bridge move

[OhForAGreavsie 6,078]

Chelsea transfer news: Yoshinori Muto turns down Stamford Bridge move

Understandable, and sensible choice, if true. A shame from our point of view though. Interesting looking player.