Lack of English players in the squad

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Well done Jason!

[Tomo 21,751]

Yes we would be because Alex would cost us a fortune to acquire. We need to develop HG talent not buy it.

Not so much now but more when he was at Southampton.

Yes I agree we need to develop aswell, but if there are good players around who will fit the system, we should atleast explore the possibility.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Not so much now but more when he was at Southampton.

Yes I agree we need to develop aswell, but if there are good players around who will fit the system, we should atleast explore the possibility.

Arsenal have a better relationship with Southampton than Chelsea do.

I don't think the Board have made any poor decisions with regards to the youth policy. We are challenging the youth to play at an extremely high level, if they get in they will be exceptional. If they fail to get in they have studied at one of the best academies in the country and will go play for a lesser side, it still helps England in the end.

[zolayes 14,489]

there is a lack of quality in young English players.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

If you have actually read the subsequent posts, you would know that I've named some of them. And regardless of that, it's still silly to generalize (+ too easy to say everyone is bad).

I did, but up until that post you had not.

Anyway, even in the posts after, no one has yet named a realistic and available English talent that could be in our squad.

Chamberlain could be a replacement for Salah, but he is not available at the time and when he was, were not looking for Salah-type signing. Wilshere has been pretty crap for a long while now and on any account he has never been a realistic target and would not join us. Rooney could be in our squad and we tried to get him last season but he declined and got ridiculous wages at united. Barry could be a decent option on the bench and I wanted us to go for him when he was leaving City but he was leaving City because he wasn't getting enough playing time; makes little sense for him to come here. Shaw went for a ridiculous fee and we're not Liverpool to make a signing like Lambert. Sterling is the complete opposite of what Jose looks in his attacking midfielders, he would never be a Chelsea player under him. Lallana is a decent option but we're already overloaded in his position.

We're not trying to avoid signing English players, there just hasn't been English players that suite what we want.

When Shaw is back from injury he will take that LWB back spot quite easily. Even if they revert to 4 at the back he will get that LB spot quite easily as well imo.

Will he? They have plenty of options to play there; he will need to play consistently at his best to keep the spot which is very hard for a 19 year old. Plus, rumors are that he's completely unfit at the moment and has put on weight in the summer; could be a while before he gets into the united XI.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

We're not trying to avoid signing English players, there just hasn't been English players that suite what we want.

Hear, hear!

And this is precisely why we need to cultivate our own english players in the philosophy the club are developing. It will happen, perhaps not this year(though Baker and looks like he's in the squad) or next year(though if Chalobah has a good loan you never know) or the year after that, but Chelsea FC will produce another academy youth into the first team who is English.

What's a few years in the life of a club? Be patient.

[Shane 2,275]

Shaw would have been a great signing bar for his astronomical wages. Paying a 19 year old 100k a week after the fantastic business already done in the transfer window would have been a great shame. That, and the £30m fee for a player who had one full season in the Premiership makes no sense. Seeing as the defensive side of his game is very very questionable.

[Term-X 7,891]

You clearly know nothing about Jose. His first spell here there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING close to a proper youth set up. When he went to Inter he basically built that foundation for them and brought in Balotelli into a treble winning squad... And yes at Real with their high standards he got Varane, Morata and Jese through.

What you guys will all come to understand sooner rather than later is for youth to come through you need stability in the management position. Until Jose is here for 4-5 yrs you won't see youth brought in.

You can wank all you want over Luke Shaw, he hasn't proven anything to me other than having some potential and being an English Chelsea fan... That's it. 30m for him looks ridiculously dumb.

You clearly know absolutely zero about Jose Mourinho, and you are very naive.

Varane was a highly rated foreign youth like Zouma, that's not bringing anyone through! lmao. Highly rated youths like Van Ginkel are killing Chalobah and the like, because their age range blocks the path. Again, Shaw was the best natural left back in the Premier League last season, there is a reason highly rated pundits like Neville rated him above Azpi & Baines. We went for Shaw (as Mourinho mentioned) but his wage demands were too high, so the club itself disagrees with your opinion on him.

The legacy (the type that matters) he left behind at Inter was only negative, old & past it players on big contracts, he left a mess behind. Clubs in general eventually revamp their youth setup, and let a few of them sit on the bench etc, integrating them is another thing altogether. Mourinho can change all that at Chelsea though, not this season however, the pressure to win is too high after last season. I personally expect and hope to see changes in the 3rd year.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

You clerly know absolutely zero about Jose Mourinho, and you are very naive.

Varane was a highly rated foreign youth like Zouma, that's not bringing anyone through! lmao. Highly rated youths like Van Ginkel are killing Chalobah and the like, because their age range blocks the path. Again, Shaw was the best natural left back in the Premier League last season, there is a reason highly rated pundits like Neville rated him above Azpi & Baines. We went for Shaw (as Mourinho mentioned) but his wage demands were too high, so the club itself disagrees with your opinion on him.

The legacy (the type that matters) he left behind at Inter was only negative, old & past it players on big contracts, he left a mess behind. Clubs in general eventually revamp their youth setup, and let a few of them sit on the bench etc, integrating them is another thing altogether. Mourinho can change all that at Chelsea though, not this season however, the pressure to win is too high after last season. I personally expect and hope to see changes in the 3rd year.

Yes a highly rated foreign youth who wasn't expected to break into the side for a few years! Pepe, Ramos and Carvalho(long in the tooth) were still in his plans at the time of the purchase. The fact that Jose went against the popular decision and played Varane and endured LOADS of criticism because of it PROVES he plays who he thinks is best for the team!

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it truthful, in no way is Van Ginkel blocking anyone... If they are good enough they will play, Van Ginkel is just potential not a definite! Same with Baker and Chalobah... Jose will show preference to English talent because we need them for the quota but aside from that its whoever is best for the team.

He didn't go for Shaw yes because his wage demands weren't in line with his skill level on the pitch. Shaw has potential but it needs to be realized! Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Go back and do you homework, son. Jose completely rebuilt Inter's youth set up... Not even worth debating, the owner said it with his own mouth.

[Term-X 7,891]

Yes a highly rated foreign youth who wasn't expected to break into the side for a few years! Pepe, Ramos and Carvalho(long in the tooth) were still in his plans at the time of the purchase. The fact that Jose went against the popular decision and played Varane and endured LOADS of criticism because of it PROVES he plays who he thinks is best for the team!

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it truthful, in no way is Van Ginkel blocking anyone... If they are good enough they will play, Van Ginkel is just potential not a definite! Same with Baker and Chalobah... Jose will show preference to English talent because we need them for the quota but aside from that its whoever is best for the team.

He didn't go for Shaw yes because his wage demands weren't in line with his skill level on the pitch. Shaw has potential but it needs to be realized! Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Go back and do you homework, son. Jose completely rebuilt Inter's youth set up... Not even worth debating, the owner said it with his own mouth.

I don't care what he did with Inter's stone age youth setup, no point building a house only to abandon it, he left Inter in a mess when he left for Real, old washed up has-beens on big contracts. Hopefully we can keep him long enough to actually see a youth project like that through to an end.

Paying a premium for highly rated foreign 'yet still raw like Chalobah' youths kills the academy, it's fact; if this was a queue, these guys would be jumping the line.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

I don't care what he did with Inter's stone age youth setup, no point building a house only to abandon it, he left Inter in a mess when he left for Real, old washed up has-beens on big contracts. Hopefully we can keep him long enough to actually see a youth project like that through to an end.

Paying a premium for highly rated foreign 'yet still raw like Chalobah' youths kills the academy, it's fact; if this was a queue, these guys would be jumping the line.

But its not a queue now is it? You sound like you're straight out of the stone ages... This is football, the best will play! No one is given preference! You have to fight hard to get into a top 5 side in the world! Lukaku was purchased for something like 18m and found this out too! Nothing is promised to you because of you birth paper or your transfer fee.

[Term-X 7,891]

But its not a queue now is it? You sound like you're straight out of the stone ages... This is football, the best will play! No one is given preference! You have to fight hard to get into a top 5 side in the world! Lukaku was purchased for something like 18m and found this out too! Nothing is promised to you because of you birth paper or your transfer fee.

Nobody knows the inner workings of the club, I just think my guess is better than yours. Mourinho will have to deal with the politics that goes on, it's about ROI, Van Ginkel & Zouma have pound signs over their heads; they can't go to waste like a mere academy prospect who's arguably just as raw. The spending on the academy doesn't go on the FFP books, Zouma & Van Ginkel's deals do.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Nobody knows the inner workings of the club, I just think my guess is better than yours. Mourinho will have to deal with the politics that goes on, it's about ROI, Van Ginkel & Zouma have pound signs over their heads; they can't go to waste like a mere academy prospect who's arguably just a raw. The spending on the academy doesn't go on the FFP books, Zouma & Van Ginkel's deals do.

If you really think the 12M spent on Zouma is gonna keep an English young up and comer from getting into a squad that needs HG talent then I don't know what else to say to you... If it doesn't work out its a nominal investment for a young promising talent, he'll be sold on! Zouma likely will get into our first team before the English youth you've cited, not because of the 12M we paid, but because he's better! Period end of story....

[Term-X 7,891]

If you really think the 12M spent on Zouma is gonna keep an English young up and comer from getting into a squad that needs HG talent then I don't know what else to say to you... If it doesn't work out its a nominal investment for a young promising talent, he'll be sold on! Zouma likely will get into our first team before the English youth you've cited, not because of the 12M we paid, but because he's better! Period end of story....

Van Ginkel is not a better player than Chalobah.

Yet.. he will get 'preferential' treatment because of the fee involved (ROI), because of how the FFP system works, there is no risk in the academy, if you spend £8m on Van Ginkel.. you need to see him being given some sort of chance, whether that's being involved in the side or high profile loans. Mourinho works closely with Emenalo and the board, there is a element of politics.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Van Ginkel is not a better player than Chalobah.

Yet.. he will get 'preferential' treatment because of the fee involved (ROI), because of how the FFP system works, there is no risk in the academy, if you spend £8m on Van Ginkel.. you need to see him being given some sort of chance, whether that's being involved in the side or high profile loans. Mourinho works closely with Emenalo and the board, there is a element of politics.

LOL!

He's a freaking Dutch international you melt!

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Well best English players in the England squad, how many will make it into the Chelsea squad, lets look at them compared to our squad now:

Hart-LOL

Johnson-Past it about 3 years now, even Liverpool fans want him out

Jagielka-Raped by Costa last week

Baines-Fair enough but already got someone as good in Dave and Filipe, maybe even better and much younger

Wilshere-LOL him vs Fab or Matic?

Lallana-No where near good enough compared to our 5 cam, maybe better than Salah but that doesn't say much

Sterling-only player will likely start but then again he is a young super star already so never gonna happen

OX-again not as good as 5 CAM, got potential to be better but injury prone as hell

Sturridge-Probably backup to Costa, but then again his story with Chelsea is what we all know

Rooney-would have taken him last summer but now Costa is arguably a better ST so no need, won't even good at CAM either and not that fast

Barkley-again potential but atm probably on par with Schurrle/Willian at best and injured

Welbeck-trolollolololool

Henderson-again good but not good enough to start for Chelsea ahead of Matic or Fab

Shaw-could have been but overpriced as fuck

Lambert-Remy is better backup

Walcott-again probably on par with Schurrle and Willian but injured and unclear how will do when comeback

Milner-not good enough

and the rest are shit that can't even get into Spurs, Arsenal, MU...etc 11

There you go, probably 3 English players(Rooney, Sterling and Sturridge) along with 2 potential in OX and Barkley who could broke into our 11 if in the squad. The rests are no where near good enough, not even for back up and as one of the best club in the world, we should have the best players. Just because we are a English club and they are English doesn't mean we have to chase after them, unless you want them to make our squad look 'British' and 'respectable' then promoting the likes of Baker, Bamford to the 1st team is better.

Then will you have Barkley for 50-60m or Reus for 30m? one is infinitely better and cheaper, much easy to get as well...explains why lack of English players in the top, top clubs like us.

[Shane 2,275]

If a big fee came in for Oscar I think he should sell him and bring in Barkley.

[lionsden 4,689]

There hasn't been an English talent worth buying for first team purposes they say. The amount of bullshit that get spewed on here is ridiculous sometimes. Sterling and Barkley are attacking mid I had take over oscar every day of the week, Sturridge is clearly better than our striker options bar Costa, If you gave me Walcott, I had personally drive Willian to the airport myself, Wilshere obviously over Ramires and mikel, Stones and Calum chambers I had takle over Zouma and Shaw would more than hold his own against any left back. But carry on with the old and tired "Englsih talents are overrated" narrative

[zolayes 14,489]

There hasn't been an English talent worth buying for first team purposes they say. The amount of bullshit that get spewed on here is ridiculous sometimes. Sterling and Barkley are attacking mid I had take over oscar every day of the week, Sturridge is clearly better than our striker options bar Costa, If you gave me Walcott, I had personally drive Willian to the airport myself, Wilshere obviously over Ramires and mikel, Stones and Calum chambers I had takle over Zouma and Shaw would more than hold his own against any left back. But carry on with the old and tired "Englsih talents are overrated" narrative

did you watch England v Norway , Your hatred of Oscar has scrambled your brain .. seems you are becoming increasingly xenophobic ... What next who should replace mourhino and lets pray Levy buys out

Roman

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

There hasn't been an English talent worth buying for first team purposes they say. The amount of bullshit that get spewed on here is ridiculous sometimes. Sterling and Barkley are attacking mid I had take over oscar every day of the week, Sturridge is clearly better than our striker options bar Costa, If you gave me Walcott, I had personally drive Willian to the airport myself, Wilshere obviously over Ramires and mikel, Stones and Calum chambers I had takle over Zouma and Shaw would more than hold his own against any left back. But carry on with the old and tired "Englsih talents are overrated" narrative

And what price do you place on these players who are supposedly better than we have?