James Rodríguez

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

3 hours ago, Cranky said:

How is that even trolling, Willian wouldn't get bought by any top club, let alone get his contract extended for 4 free kicks which were more or less deflected. James is class and the fact we are willingly to try and look at other places despite reports saying he wants to join us, baffles me. We aren't even breaking the bank for him just using the Oscar money.

I think that the presumed Oscar money is a non-argument.

If James wasn't worth €70 million before we had the Oscar cash, then he isn't suddenly worth it now. What's the point collecting a good fee, if all you do then is blow it on a player you don't consider to be worth the cost of his transfer?

The primary factors to consider are; does the manager want the player, and does the player warrant the size of transfer fee likely to be negotiated.

The only way the Oscar deal should come into the equation is if we always believed James to be worth his fee, but we could not previously afford it. If that's the situation, then fine. I say again however, if James wasn't thought worth €70 million to Chelsea before then he still isn't worth it now, no matter how much we get for Oscar. 

[LAM09 6,744]

There isn't one which is precisely why you don't lump up 60m or whatever it is unless you get exactly what you need. For what James offers there are cheaper options.

I agree and said as much a few pages back. Better options available that suit our needs.

[LAM09 6,744]

There isn't one which is precisely why you don't lump up 60m or whatever it is unless you get exactly what you need. For what James offers there are cheaper options.

I agree and said as much a few pages back. Better options available that suit our needs.

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, the wes said:

http://www.espnfc.com/story/3024932/juventus-interested-in-madrids-james-rodriguez-but-no-julian-draxler-bid

Juventus are interested in rodriguez 

Putting us aside for a moment, why the hell would Juve want Rodriguez? Haven't they got enough players already?

[the wes 7,212]

4 minutes ago, Jason said:

Putting us aside for a moment, why the hell would Juve want Rodriguez? Haven't they got enough players already?

I know mate they seem to be after axel witsel aswell

http://www.espnfc.com/story/3024554/juventus-happy-to-bide-time-to-sign-axel-witsel-from-zenit-st-petersburg

[BlueLyon 9,359]

46 minutes ago, Jason said:

Putting us aside for a moment, why the hell would Juve want Rodriguez? Haven't they got enough players already?

They were linked with Hamsik in summer but deal fell off.

Not sure if Pjanic was replacement, but probably not.

Funny tho, how juve is splashing the cash these days and they have worst team than one under Conte where they paid less than half of Higuain fee for Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba and Tevez.

If Conte was given those funds, he would probably win CL at one point. Current Juve, I doubt.

[Socur Toxanarosa 145]

2 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I think that the presumed Oscar money is a non-argument.

If James wasn't worth €70 million before we had the Oscar cash, then he isn't suddenly worth it now.

But he is/was. In this market, 60M is a minimum for a player of his calibre.

[Leif 6,006]

58 minutes ago, Socur Toxanarosa said:

But he is/was. In this market, 60M is a minimum for a player of his calibre.

It doesn't have to be that way. If some key teams simply refuse to play to this silly game of inflated fees, like ourselves, Arsenal (lol), 'Pool, Spurs, all the German teams bar Bayern, Juve, & then again all La Liga teams bar the top 2; so essentially anyone not named City, Bayern, Barca or Madrid; things will return to normality in European football. Those who'd be willing to pay more than us, only those 4 teams, can buy only so many players. Once they're full of players, any teams selling players wouldn't find any teams they're able to extort, since the rest of us would be rooted in reality. With a world class scout team & board members who see that big names aren't necessarily better than cheap, hidden gems, we'd always be able to compete at the top, with the rare splash on someone worth the sickening fee. (Just look at Atletico/Seville, Dortmund, Napoli.)

Summary: We should and perhaps must refuse to pay over the odds for players. Don't adjust to the demands of other teams. Only weaklings allow others to dictate the value of what they seek. 

[Cranky 0]

50 minutes ago, Leif said:

It doesn't have to be that way. If some key teams simply refuse to play to this silly game of inflated fees, like ourselves, Arsenal (lol), 'Pool, Spurs, all the German teams bar Bayern, Juve, & then again all La Liga teams bar the top 2; so essentially anyone not named City, Bayern, Barca or Madrid; things will return to normality in European football. Those who'd be willing to pay more than us, only those 4 teams, can buy only so many players. Once they're full of players, any teams selling players wouldn't find any teams they're able to extort, since the rest of us would be rooted in reality. With a world class scout team & board members who see that big names aren't necessarily better than cheap, hidden gems, we'd always be able to compete at the top, with the rare splash on someone worth the sickening fee. (Just look at Atletico/Seville, Dortmund, Napoli.)

Summary: We should and perhaps must refuse to pay over the odds for players. Don't adjust to the demands of other teams. Only weaklings allow others to dictate the value of what they seek. 

Juventus paid 80 mil liquid for Higuain. Hold that thought for a second..

[BlueLyon 9,359]

31 minutes ago, Cranky said:

Juventus paid 80 mil liquid for Higuain. Hold that thought for a second..

If everything was black and white, Leicester would demand 50m for Kante if they thought "well Higuain was 80m, Kante is surely worth half".

There are crazy deals in football with fees that players are never worth in first place, but reach it because of club owners or marketing like Pogba, Bale, Higuain,...but you also have reasonable, sometimes very very cheap deals like Kante to Chelsea, Ozil to Real etc.

Just because Higuain cost 80m, it doesnt mean Costa would cost 100m if he was to return to Atletico in summer.

There are gentelman deals based on actual worth of players and for the sake of players wishes.

Those who are paying 100m for Pogba, 70 for James are crazy.

The only two fees of giant proportions worth of it are Ronaldo to real and Zidane to Real.

[Socur Toxanarosa 145]

1 hour ago, Leif said:

It doesn't have to be that way. If some key teams simply refuse to play to this silly game of inflated fees, like ourselves, Arsenal (lol), 'Pool, Spurs, all the German teams bar Bayern, Juve, & then again all La Liga teams bar the top 2; so essentially anyone not named City, Bayern, Barca or Madrid; things will return to normality in European football. Those who'd be willing to pay more than us, only those 4 teams, can buy only so many players. Once they're full of players, any teams selling players wouldn't find any teams they're able to extort, since the rest of us would be rooted in reality. With a world class scout team & board members who see that big names aren't necessarily better than cheap, hidden gems, we'd always be able to compete at the top, with the rare splash on someone worth the sickening fee. (Just look at Atletico/Seville, Dortmund, Napoli.)

Summary: We should and perhaps must refuse to pay over the odds for players. Don't adjust to the demands of other teams. Only weaklings allow others to dictate the value of what they seek. 

There's no going back, it will only get worse, if we don't pay, PSG/City/United will, that's it.

[DDA 9,690]

On 21/12/2016 at 6:37 PM, Leif said:

ie, the most handsome players get the biggest cheques? If Ronaldo looked like Ronaldinho he'd be playing 2nd-tier football & sponsored by Colgate 

Ronaldinho was sponsered by colgate ?? How did I miss that!

[BlueLyon 9,359]

28 minutes ago, Socur Toxanarosa said:

There's no going back, it will only get worse, if we don't pay, PSG/City/United will, that's it.

And? United paid 90m for Pogba.

They are 13 points behind us.

Signing quality players is one thing, signing overpriced marketing stars is another.

[Leif 6,006]

If we refuse (which we seem to have) the asking price for James, I believe it'll motivate any other suitor (Man Utd) to negotiate a slightly lower fee. That in itself sends a reminder to Real that they cannot ask for whatever price they want and get it with ease. This could be the start of a knock-on effect to reverting things to how they should be. 

[The Skipper 20,593]

3 hours ago, Leif said:

It doesn't have to be that way. If some key teams simply refuse to play to this silly game of inflated fees, like ourselves, Arsenal (lol), 'Pool, Spurs, all the German teams bar Bayern, Juve, & then again all La Liga teams bar the top 2; so essentially anyone not named City, Bayern, Barca or Madrid; things will return to normality in European football. Those who'd be willing to pay more than us, only those 4 teams, can buy only so many players. Once they're full of players, any teams selling players wouldn't find any teams they're able to extort, since the rest of us would be rooted in reality. With a world class scout team & board members who see that big names aren't necessarily better than cheap, hidden gems, we'd always be able to compete at the top, with the rare splash on someone worth the sickening fee. (Just look at Atletico/Seville, Dortmund, Napoli.)

Summary: We should and perhaps must refuse to pay over the odds for players. Don't adjust to the demands of other teams. Only weaklings allow others to dictate the value of what they seek. 

Yes, let's delay the club's progression even further.... 

[quickpassnmove 924]

don't give a fuck what happens to this player in the market. we can get a potentially better player with more pace and a better mindset. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

2 hours ago, Leif said:

If we refuse (which we seem to have) the asking price for James, I believe it'll motivate any other suitor (Man Utd) to negotiate a slightly lower fee. That in itself sends a reminder to Real that they cannot ask for whatever price they want and get it with ease. This could be the start of a knock-on effect to reverting things to how they should be. 

What?!? If we refuse then someone else will come in with whatever they want and sign him instead of us, particularly someone like Man United, who have shown they aren't worried about spending huge sums on players in last few years like they did on Pogba, Di Maria, Bailly, Shaw... so yeah lets just start trying to tell Real Madrid 70M is too much for a player with atleast 3-4 years of a contract left, who originally cost them something similar and will attract interest from other huge clubs. If we want him get him, no point fucking about trying to lower a fee with Real Madrid, they'll just sell to highest bidder, we arent Arsenal. Also Real Madrid along with Barcelona are the BIGGEST clubs in the world, as if it wasn't hard enough trying to buy off them. 

[Chelsea? 892]

4 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

And? United paid 90m for Pogba.

They are 13 points behind us.

Signing quality players is one thing, signing overpriced marketing stars is another.

lol it's been 17 games. I doubt united regret their decision yet.