Cesc Fàbregas

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Mechromancer, on 02 Oct 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:

The board and his fans can't do so much. They don't sign the guy because he is a middlefield who can do 20 assist in a season, i don't believe that. They want domain, not numbers. And in three years, the best of him is in the striker position. The old ones are better. That says a lot. Even in the national team, the most dominant in the last lustrum.

Be an amazing player with a great productivity is one thing, be a good player with a great productivity is another. Koke is a great example of that; in my opinion, a good launcher and not more. Even a player like Song do 14 assist in one season. And that's their best argument.

Like i said, see a player like Zidane, who won a Ballon d'Or, by the way. His numbers can't be an argument, right?

Even for the striker the productivity isn't the best argument. I think in Huntelaar, Cavani, Gómez... ¡Chicharito!(yeah, maybe not).

And Modric is better, yes, technically. If his objective is creates more chances and be more free, maybe his numbers can grow up. Why not? With his wonderful partners is possible. He has the ability to do everything. But his team no need that and isn't his great value. Is more than that.

You do realize that creating big chances and racking up assists isn't just a matter of technical ability, right? If it was, Willian would have been (one of) our most creative players and assisters. It takes excellent vision, decision-making, the ability to provide the final ball(not the same thing as general passing ability), through balls, and the ability to read the game in attack. You also do realize that Cesc is playing in the pivot, in a deep midfield role that is as far from free as it can get, right?

But then again, I remember how you once claimed Isco at 20 was more decisive and effective than Fabregas at the age of 20. Once again, your opinion is based on nothing but suppositions, not facts.

P.S. The Zidane argument is just getting silly. It comes up every time to defend a player who shows no productivity. Willian has a great technical ability, great teamwork and little productivity. Let's give him a Ballon d'Or. And Zidane's end product was still much better than Modric's.

[Dion 2,476]

Not to mention that Zidade would would come up huge in matches that really mattered. His WC performances are a testament to that.

IMO, Fabregas is better than Modric and it's not even close. Comparing Fabregas to Koke is also silly. Koke has began his world class performances like the other day, Fabregas has been doing it for several years.

[meetdoscar 335]

Fabregas has been an excellent CM since modric was wearing diapers never mind they are almost of same age. It has been very clear in the last decade that xavi and pirlo were of a different class but also that fabregas would succeed them and so it is no surprise that fabregas is currently the best CM in the world. Call it form or whatever you like but it has since been obvious that after xavi and pirlo you have cesc to succeed. Modric is not as good as cesc and never has been whether at spurs or madrid.

[Victor Von Doom 258]

Cesc isn't better than Modric at shooting @Daniel1980

[Daniel1980 1,425]

^^ Not sure what it proves. I can give you as many examples of Fabregas's goals--and there will be a lot more goals. Modric scored 18 goals in all competitions in 2009-2014. Cesc scored 59 in the same period, playing the majority of the time as a CM. He's a more prolific scorer.

Enjoy, if you can bear watching Arsenal:

[Stats 7,142]

Cesc isn't better than Modric at shooting @Daniel1980

IMO, yes he is. Fabregas has scored much more long range shots than Modric in his career. Modric is not renown for his shooting. Fabregas main strength is his passing but has scored many long range shots as well. Especially at Arsenal.

[Nike 373]

i like how Modric went from being the best cm to insignificant on this board....

I would take modric over cesc anyday. But, I take Cesc over any Cm (in the bpl) minus the city giants.

[Victor Von Doom 258]

^^ Not sure what it proves. I can give you as many examples of Fabregas's goals--and there will be a lot more goals. Modric scored 18 goals in all competitions in 2009-2014. Cesc scored 59 in the same period, playing the majority of the time as a CM. He's a more prolific scorer.

Enjoy, if you can bear watching Arsenal:

Oh - with the way you just said "shooting" I thought you meant only from range, which I would disagree with. But, as you don't just mean that I guess you're right.

[Dion 2,476]

i like how Modric went from being the best cm to insignificant on this board....

I would take modric over cesc anyday. But, I take Cesc over any Cm (in the bpl) minus the city giants.

Modric was never the best cm in the world.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Oh - with the way you just said "shooting" I thought you meant only from range, which I would disagree with. But, as you don't just mean that I guess you're right.

Fabregas scored quite a few goals from range too. There are about 10 goals scored from outside the box for Arsenal in that video.

[Nike 373]

Modric was never the best cm in the world.

Last year, a lot of people thought Modric was the best CM in the world,

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Last year, a lot of people thought Modric was the best CM in the world,

Don't know who those people are. Personally, I never thought that. I considered Iniesta the best CM in the world until his dip in form. Sure, back when Cesc played for Arsenal, I couldn't stand him, but I still considered him the best creative midfielder in the PL and one of the best overall. Definitely not Modric. Tbh, I had some doubts about Fabregas: I didn't like his Barcelona form--he seemed completely unmotivated in the last couple of months--and I wasn't sure if he could recapture his PL form, but he did. And the PL!Cesc is definitely one of the best midfielders around. It's not like it's just Chelsea fans' biased opinion. Many United fans think the same and wish they got him.

For example, a few comments at Redcafe after the game against Sporting:

Jesus he's good. Just watching the Chelsea highlights and he seemed to make about 300 brilliant chances for them.

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best player in the league IMO. Must be tough for Arsenal fans watching him play like that while their supposedly best 10 in the world isn't anywhere near his class ATM.

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He's incredible. Hilarious that Wenger thought he didn't need him.

If Wenger had brought him back Arsenal's midfield would look so much stronger, especially with their current injury problems.

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Brilliant player. Would have absolutely loved him at United. Not sure what went wrong for him at Barca as his ability is there for all to see.

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He's a wonderful player. His ability was surely never in doubt?

Gutted we didn't sign him last season.

And so on.

[Dion 2,476]

Last year, a lot of people thought Modric was the best CM in the world,

Real Madrid seems to have this effect on a lot of people. Especially when they're winning titles. Every player in every position is suddenly the best in the world.

[LondonsFinest 692]

Am I the only one who thinks Fabregas is a typical spanish c**t and will want to get one over Arsene for prefering Ozil over him?

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Am I the only one who thinks Fabregas is a typical spanish c**t and will want to get one over Arsene for prefering Ozil over him?

Good for us then