Cesc Fàbregas

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Thiago is the best Spanish talent imo. Always admired his abilities. He is a midfield control general like xavi with Iniesta style of dribbling. When he stops getting injured and plays for Spain, people will understand just how good he is.

Thiago was better than Cesc at Cesc's prime or during his spell at arsenal...

However, due to his status and long transfer, Cesc got more attention and fans automatically assumed Cesc would be the heir to Xavi, when in reality in should of went to Thiago... However, pep knew who was the better midfielder and he brought him over to munich and pretty much made Kroos obsolete.

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Koke, Isco, Cesc, oliver Torres, Spain have a lot of young talent waiting to takeover, but Spain will go as far as their future captain and their best player.

Ouuuu I don't know man... I mean, Thiago is a quality player and he's one of my favourite youngster due to his beautiful technique (much like Isco) but I think Isco will be a better player and has a higher ceiling. I would not be surprised if Thiago becomes Spain's captain in the future (although the likes of Cesc and Busquets will be around) but in terms of Spain's star player, I'd have to say that would probably turn out to be Isco. For instance, at the U21 Euro's, even tho Thiago won the Player of the Tournament, I think you'd agree Isco was the better player throughout the tournament. Thiago's hattrick in the final was what made his win the Player of the Tournament imo. Both class players tho... kinda segued from the whole Cesc topic tho ahah

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Ouuuu I don't know man... I mean, Thiago is a quality player and he's one of my favourite youngster due to his beautiful technique (much like Isco) but I think Isco will be a better player and has a higher ceiling. I would not be surprised if Thiago becomes Spain's captain in the future (although the likes of Cesc and Busquets will be around) but in terms of Spain's star player, I'd have to say that would probably turn out to be Isco. For instance, at the U21 Euro's, even tho Thiago won the Player of the Tournament, I think you'd agree Isco was the better player throughout the tournament. Thiago's hattrick in the final was what made his win the Player of the Tournament imo. Both class players tho... kinda segued from the whole Cesc topic tho ahah

Cesc wont be around during the era of thiag/ddg/isco, etc...

Thiago u20s team all did well...

u17 champ

u21 champ 2x.

The team he was not on due to injury were the world cup 2014 and olympic team of 2012. Both didnt progress pass the group stage and the olympic team that had the likes of DDG, mata, martinez, koke, isco failed terribly.

The catalans all know they made a mistake signing Cesc during the time Thiago should of been groomed better. Thiago is xavi +ronadinho. That is how highly I rate him. A person that left cesc and kroos both in the dark at such a young age.

[ChelseaFC12 134]

Koke could be close but different to Cesc but he's real quality midfielder. I really wanted him to join Chelsea before Cesc came to the frame.

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Thiago was better than Cesc at Cesc's prime or during his spell at arsenal...

Based on what? Youtube compilations? Have you actually seen Cesc play in his Arsenal days?

Thiago is 23 and I don't even know if he has played 80 games for Barcelona and Bayern combined. Cesc at 23 was already captaining the Arsenal side and had 200 games in the EPL. Plus Champions League, FA Cup and League Cup matches. Yes, Thiago is a great talent and an exciting player to watch, but better than Cesc in his Arsenal days??? No way

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Based on what? Youtube compilations? Have you actually seen Cesc play in his Arsenal days?

Thiago is 23 and I don't even know if he has played 80 games for Barcelona and Bayern combined. Cesc at 23 was already captaining the Arsenal side and had 200 games in the EPL. Plus Champions League, FA Cup and League Cup matches. Yes, Thiago is a great talent and an exciting player to watch, but better than Cesc in his Arsenal days??? No way

You can see it.... neymar never played for barca, but barca were willing to spend big because everyone knew neymar was the best young player in the world.

In spain, especially catalonia, thiago was the best kid to come out of the academy since messi.

thiago specialized in one touch football, something barca excels at, something cesc never excel at... Just because he had better stats, doesnt make him the better player for a specific system..

[The Skipper 20,593]

You can see it.... neymar never played for barca, but barca were willing to spend big because everyone knew neymar was the best young player in the world.

In spain, especially catalonia, thiago was the best kid to come out of the academy since messi.

thiago specialized in one touch football, something barca excels at, something cesc never excel at... Just because he had better stats, doesnt make him the better player for a specific system..

I love Thiago but sorry, due to his injuries you can't be saying that he's already been better than Cesc in his Arsenal days. Cesc was one of the best, if not the best CM in the league for numerous years. Thiago can't even complete a season without getting injured.

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I love Thiago but sorry, due to his injuries you can't be saying that he's already been better than Cesc in his Arsenal days. Cesc was one of the best, if not the best CM in the league for numerous years. Thiago can't even complete a season without getting injured.

Xabi alonso was the best cm in the league....

Thiago wasn't part of a youth/fiscal generation of arsenal, he was part of the prime years of barcelona....

[zolayes 14,489]

Well I am just delighted WE have Cesc /

Thou shalt not covet your neighbours wife ,,, (or your Brothers ) unless you Ryan Giggs

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I remember this prior to signing Cesc...

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/6964-Cesc-Fabregas-or-Thiago-Alcantara

A lot of people from barca felt thiago was already the better player for them even with cesc world class stats at arsenal..

There was also another article from a catalan supporter concerning the situation

http://www.barcablaugranes.com/2011/6/26/2244275/fc-barcelona-european-champion-thiago-alcantara-is-better-than-cesc

Same people said thiago would rot on the bench at munich, yet outplayed and started instead...

[The Skipper 20,593]

Xabi alonso was the best cm in the league....

Thiago wasn't part of a youth/fiscal generation of arsenal, he was part of the prime years of barcelona....

Answer this though... Do you think Thiago has ever had a better season than Fabregas has had, in general?

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Answer this though... Do you think Thiago has ever had a better season than Fabregas has had, in general?

Stat wise, no...

However, i think i replied incorrectly. What i meant was Thiago was better for barcelona than cesc was at the time. So, he's attributes were more barca suited than cesc was at that age, so he was "better."... I still think thiago overall is better now than Cesc at his prime.

Thiago is the reason why losing Kroos wasn't significant at all to munich..THIAGO BACK!

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Stat wise, no...

However, i think i replied incorrectly. What i meant was Thiago was better for barcelona than cesc was at the time. So, he's attributes were more barca suited than cesc was at that age, so he was "better."... I still think thiago overall is better now than Cesc at his prime.

Thiago is the reason why losing Kroos wasn't significant at all to munich..THIAGO BACK!

Man just say Thiago was better suited player for Barca but Cesc is better player overall. Atm there is no way Thiago ever did anything to be better than Cesc...

And if you take for example who suited barca more, that aint reliable. In that case Carvajal is better fb than Azpi because he will most probably play ahead of him for spain, but that doesnt mean he is actualy better defender. He just suits that team better.

You appear to mix two things; who is better for certain team and who is better player in general. Cesc is better in general, but Thiago suits spain and barca (tiki taka system) more. Thats all. There is nothing in Thiagos career that would make him better player than Cesc. Afterall he cant even finish season injury-free and that is big problem already.

I rate Thiago highly, he has big potential, but as of october 2014, he simply isnt and wasnt ever better player than Cesc.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Koke, Thiago, Cesc, Isco, Iniesta, Mata, why Spain struggling is beyond me.

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Man just say Thiago was better suited player for Barca but Cesc is better player overall. Atm there is no way Thiago ever did anything to be better than Cesc...

And if you take for example who suited barca more, that aint reliable. In that case Carvajal is better fb than Azpi because he will most probably play ahead of him for spain, but that doesnt mean he is actualy better defender. He just suits that team better.

You appear to mix two things; who is better for certain team and who is better player in general. Cesc is better in general, but Thiago suits spain and barca (tiki taka system) more. Thats all. There is nothing in Thiagos career that would make him better player than Cesc. Afterall he cant even finish season injury-free and that is big problem already.

I rate Thiago highly, he has big potential, but as of october 2014, he simply isnt and wasnt ever better player than Cesc.

Man just say Thiago was better suited player for Barca but Cesc is better player overall. Atm there is no way Thiago ever did anything to be better than Cesc...

And if you take for example who suited barca more, that aint reliable. In that case Carvajal is better fb than Azpi because he will most probably play ahead of him for spain, but that doesnt mean he is actualy better defender. He just suits that team better.

You appear to mix two things; who is better for certain team and who is better player in general. Cesc is better in general, but Thiago suits spain and barca (tiki taka system) more. Thats all. There is nothing in Thiagos career that would make him better player than Cesc. Afterall he cant even finish season injury-free and that is big problem already.

I rate Thiago highly, he has big potential, but as of october 2014, he simply isnt and wasnt ever better player than Cesc.

What is Cesc better than Thiago at?

One touch play: thiago

Short passes:thiago

Long passes: I guess Cesc

Dribbling:Thiago

Vision: Thiago

Creativity:Thiago

Flair:Thiago

Speed/agility:Thiago

Strength:Cesc

Tackling:Cesc

Technique: Thiago

Shooting:Cesc

Leadership:Thiago

Pretty much cesc vs thiago is exactly what mata vs silva is....

Mata is going to give you better stats, but SIlva is the better team player and overall player.. (I remember when this board honestly thought Mata was better than Silva).

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Koke, Thiago, Cesc, Isco, Iniesta, Mata, why Spain struggling is beyond me.

Iniesta has been on a decline similar to ribery and sergio is good under one specific system.....

If it was me, I would drop all the barca players in the midfield and put javi martinez, koke and thiago as the 3... However, I doubt iniesta and busquets will get dropped anytime soon.

[Stats 7,056]

What is Cesc better than Thiago at?

One touch play: thiago

Short passes:thiago

Long passes: I guess Cesc

Dribbling:Thiago

Vision: Thiago

Creativity:Thiago

Flair:Thiago

Speed/agility:Thiago

Strength:Cesc

Tackling:Cesc

Technique: Thiago

Shooting:Cesc

Pretty much cesc vs thiago is exactly what mata vs silva is....

Mata is going to give you better stats, but SIlva is the better team player and overall player.. (I remember when this board honestly thought Mata was better than Silva).

Short passes- Cesc/Thiago. You can't really differentiate. So both the same.

Long passes- Definitely Cesc.

Now vision: You stated Thiago has better vision than Cesc? Please tell me how you came to that conclusion. I let you off on the creativity one which again is debatable but also understandable as he is more agile and got a better turn of pace etc but vision wise, he is not better than Cesc. Fabregas assists record says it all. He has made brilliant assists for Arsenal, Barca and at us and they have ranged from short incised passes to long range passing. There is not much players who read the game better than Fabregas. In terms of vision Fabregas is up there with the likes of Xavi and imo his vision is better than Iniesta which I think many Barca fans would agree on.

Prove to me how Thiago has better vision than Fabregas. I know you will not be able to say or even prove anything that will change my opinion. There is a reason why Fabregas leads the assists record at every club he is at.

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Short passes- Cesc/Thiago. You can't really differentiate. So both the same.

Long passes- Definitely Cesc.

Now vision: You stated Thiago has better vision than Cesc? Please tell me how you came to that conclusion. I let you off on the creativity one which again is debatle but also understandable as he is more agile and got a better turn of pace etc but vision wise, he is not better than Cesc. Fabregas assists record says it all. He has made brilliant assists for Arsenal, Barca and at us and they have ranged from short incised passes to long range passing. There is not much players who read the game better than Fabregas. In terms of vision Fabregas is up there with the likes of Xavi and imo his vision is better than Iniesta which I think many Barca fans would agree on.

Prove to me how Thiago has better vision than Fabregas. I know you will not be able to say or even prove anything that will change my opinion. There is a reason why Fabregas leads the assists record at every club he is at.

Assists doesnt equate to vision. If that was the case Cristiano, lampard, gerrard would be up there in terms of vision... People look too much into vision as assists..

Yet, I remember reading when mata was on chelsea he had more than all 3 barca midfielder combined assists or something crazy like that...

Vision its simple.. Thiago, like Silva can move around and adjust, however, Mata/Cesc are more static playmakers... Therefore, the option to provide the pass is greater from a player like silva/thiago vs cesc/mata. Thiago has a better passing range than Cesc and even longball passing is debateable. Vision isnt the pass that leads directly to the goal, vision can be the pass before the goal that doesnt show in the stats sheets...

Also, when you have better technique, you can make more and better passes in different situations.