Cesc Fàbregas

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I think the Chilean Ps. (Aranquis) or Pogba will complete the puzzle. We need another player that break up passes, but creative.

[stroey 2,525]

Im sure whole forum knows my opinion about Cesc but I will go step further.

He is quality player and certainly one of most deserving for Pl title.

BUT as long he is in first 11, we wont win CL. Leaders step up in key games. He doesnt. He is nowhere when we play big teams. He is basicaly what arsenal team was. Plenty to show but he is not the one to do it when teams needs him most. And with such player with such big role, you cant win CL.

Very little chance we succeed if we go 4:3:3 and bring another top CM to play next to Cesc and Matic. Maybe then those two will be enough to cover for Cesc.

And finaly I dont get why people want him as our captain. He shows nothing that would make him a captain of the team. He is all loud and cocky but when shit gets real his cock gets in the size of peanut and he acts like a pussy. I dont want such captain.

Unpopular opinion I know but the excuses need to stop. Big game player term suddenly doesnt matter? Players are rated by big games performances. No one can deliver in every big game but top players deliver in most. Problem with Cesc is that he delivers in one big game out of 10.

We won title last year and Cesc rocked against shit sides did average against big. And that was enough because rest were poor. But when manchesters and arsenal grow, derbies and big, key games will decide title. And if Cesc wont perform there, we wont win anything. Wont even go into CL options.

Funny how people want to make all kind of excuses about Cesc but thing is he was bad in 90 percent of crucial games, his form dropped after half season. Yet he has great stats, good looks and people worship him. But stats arent everything. Truth is when your key midfield playmaker gets dominated in against almost every better midfield and his performance ability drops to 1/4th of what he is capable in those games, no stat can show it.

Modric or Verratti are the players you want in midfield in a CL game against psg, bayern, real etc not Cesc.

When he makes a great run of performances in CL, drags and pushes us forward, gives others inspiration basicaly what he should be doing; even if we dont win CL in the end. Only then I will say how wrong I was. But until then, no excuse will save him.

Like I said he still did big part for Pl title and Im grateful for that, but when Pl Gets stronger, we will see true ability of Cesc.

In big games he he is liability much as Oscar or whoever else.

Yet people like him just like they liked Mata. And both are nice persons but neither was the midfielder for big games. However people are blind to admit that.

For the sake of Chelsea I hope he proves me wrong.

Take out Cesc and we lose 80% of our creativity. He only needs 1 or 2 moments in any game and he can make the difference with his fast thinking/vision, like that ball to Hazard, ball to Falcao and many other examples of last season where he put Diego 1v1 the keeper. That's why he's a must in our line up. Besides the final killer pass, he's also important for our build up and overall play.

He's not that type of player you describe, he's not a midfield commander like Modric and Mourinho understands this. That's why we have Matic and Ramires (B2B) or Mikel (DM) to compensate his weaknesses in the tougher games. I actually think we need someone better to dominate the midfield again. Prime Essien-Matic-Cesc would make a very good balanced midfield for example: Defensively solid, strong, creative, plus fire power from midfield. I think we'd win the CL with that kind of midfield.

Yes Cesc is not perfect but he's vital for us, and he's too important to let him out.

[yuvala 2,167]

Take out Cesc and we lose 80% of our creativity. He only needs 1 or 2 moments in any game and he can make the difference with his fast thinking/vision, like that ball to Hazard, ball to Falcao and many other examples of last season where he put Diego 1v1 the keeper. That's why he's a must in our line up. Besides the final killer pass, he's also important for our build up and overall play.

He's not that type of player you describe, he's not a midfield commander like Modric and Mourinho understands this. That's why we have Matic and Ramires (B2B) or Mikel (DM) to compensate his weaknesses in the tougher games. I actually think we need someone better to dominate the midfield again. Prime Essien-Matic-Cesc would make a very good balanced midfield for example: Defensively solid, strong, creative, plus fire power from midfield. I think we'd win the CL with that kind of midfield.

Yes Cesc is not perfect but he's vital for us, and he's too important to let him out.

I agree,

Cesc isn't that player nor is he going to be..

I think we dont really have a case for the CL anyways, it's not about Cesc. The team has a whole isn't there just yet.. you can't compare us to the likes of Bayern, Real, Barca. This isn't down to Fabregas only, the quality isn't there.

[Despiadado.Maleante 1,046]

Im sure whole forum knows my opinion about Cesc but I will go step further.

He is quality player and certainly one of most deserving for Pl title.

BUT as long he is in first 11, we wont win CL. Leaders step up in key games. He doesnt. He is nowhere when we play big teams. He is basicaly what arsenal team was. Plenty to show but he is not the one to do it when teams needs him most. And with such player with such big role, you cant win CL.

Very little chance we succeed if we go 4:3:3 and bring another top CM to play next to Cesc and Matic. Maybe then those two will be enough to cover for Cesc.

And finaly I dont get why people want him as our captain. He shows nothing that would make him a captain of the team. He is all loud and cocky but when shit gets real his cock gets in the size of peanut and he acts like a pussy. I dont want such captain.

Unpopular opinion I know but the excuses need to stop. Big game player term suddenly doesnt matter? Players are rated by big games performances. No one can deliver in every big game but top players deliver in most. Problem with Cesc is that he delivers in one big game out of 10.

We won title last year and Cesc rocked against shit sides did average against big. And that was enough because rest were poor. But when manchesters and arsenal grow, derbies and big, key games will decide title. And if Cesc wont perform there, we wont win anything. Wont even go into CL options.

Funny how people want to make all kind of excuses about Cesc but thing is he was bad in 90 percent of crucial games, his form dropped after half season. Yet he has great stats, good looks and people worship him. But stats arent everything. Truth is when your key midfield playmaker gets dominated in against almost every better midfield and his performance ability drops to 1/4th of what he is capable in those games, no stat can show it.

Modric or Verratti are the players you want in midfield in a CL game against psg, bayern, real etc not Cesc.

When he makes a great run of performances in CL, drags and pushes us forward, gives others inspiration basicaly what he should be doing; even if we dont win CL in the end. Only then I will say how wrong I was. But until then, no excuse will save him.

Like I said he still did big part for Pl title and Im grateful for that, but when Pl Gets stronger, we will see true ability of Cesc.

In big games he he is liability much as Oscar or whoever else.

Yet people like him just like they liked Mata. And both are nice persons but neither was the midfielder for big games. However people are blind to admit that.

For the sake of Chelsea I hope he proves me wrong.

Great point. It's not just him though. We really don't have any big game players in attack. If a team mark out hazard we simple have no chance. Can't remember the last time we actually outplayed a big team.

[WNDS 502]

Fabregas offered us nothing at all today (poor passing, minimal defensive effectiveness, poor set-piece delivery, no mobility or dynamism), and should have been the player removed following Courtois' red card.

I also think that he should be dropped for the game against Man City; he under-performed against them last season (even when he was having a good run of form), and he's been poor in almost all of our most recent matches, including the one today against Swansea. He just doesn't look ready for competitive football at the moment, and I'm not sure that we can afford to have him in our starting 11 against an opponent of Man City's quality; he's looking worse than a passenger. I think that we should play 4-3-3 against City, with Matic as the lone DM behind a box-to-box CM duo of Oscar and Willian (as in pre-season against PSG) and a front three of Hazard-Costa-Moses.

Anyway, hopefully Fabregas re-discovers some form soon, because when he's playing well he's a huge asset to our team.

[LAM09 7,043]

I know what he can do, but that should be dismissed after several poor performances. Did nothing all match.

[ZanSnake 1,211]

Should have been replaced instead of Oscar. Missing in action. Hope he picks himself up and gets to last season's form.

[termninja 5,290]

I agree with all 3 posts above, was invisible, slugish and should've been taken off rather then Oscar. It's a big call to bench him against Man City, but if Jose was to do that I would have nothing against it, especially considering it's an away game.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

I agree with all 3 posts above, was invisible, slugish and should've been taken off rather then Oscar. It's a big call to bench him against Man City, but if Jose was to do that I would have nothing against it, especially considering it's an away game.

Jose can't drop cesc, like he can't drop iva...

[termninja 5,290]

Jose can't drop cesc, like he can't drop iva...

If he dropped Ivanovic who would replace him? And if he dropped Fabregas, guys to replace him are Mikel and Ramires, and they aren't helpful unless we're winning.

Yes I know that you mean Jose was reluctant to drop Bane last season, but season is past and I would avoid talking about it.

[WNDS 502]

If he dropped Ivanovic who would replace him? And if he dropped Fabregas, guys to replace him are Mikel and Ramires, and they aren't helpful unless we're winning.

Yes I know that you mean Jose was reluctant to drop Bane last season, but season is past and I would avoid talking about it.

It needn't be a question of replacing an out-of-form Fabregas with either Ramires or Mikel; as I mentioned above, Mourinho could perhaps consider switching us to a 4-3-3 formation with Oscar and Willian occupying the two CM positions whilst Moses (a natural right-sided wide player, unlike Willian) plays on the right. This would allow for Oscar AND Willian AND Moses to feature in their favoured positions/roles on the pitch whilst having a less detrimental effect upon our possession and attacking play than that which occurs when we play either Ramires (concedes possession far too cheaply and lacks technique) or Mikel (unambitious passing coupled with a lack of mobility).

I don't believe that Oscar could be any worse than Fabregas (in current 'form') when defending, and he possesses similar levels of ability to Fabregas when it comes to linking play in the middle-third. Willian has the pace and stamina of Ramires, but supplements this with genuine technique. True, neither Oscar nor Willian possesses Fabregas' ability to play killer passes in the final third, but they would make up for this (in part) by offering the team a significantly greater level of dynamism and tactical flexibility than Fabregas and Mikel are able to, and all while still enabling us to maintain possession relatively well (unlike when Ramires features).

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

Probably his worst performance in a blue shirt today., way off the pace.

Would have Rambo and Matic to start against Citeh

[termninja 5,290]

It needn't be a question of replacing an out-of-form Fabregas with either Ramires or Mikel; as I mentioned above, Mourinho could perhaps consider switching us to a 4-3-3 formation with Oscar and Willian occupying the two CM positions whilst Moses (a natural right-sided wide player, unlike Willian) plays on the right. This would allow for Oscar AND Willian AND Moses to feature in their favoured positions/roles on the pitch whilst having a less detrimental effect upon our possession and attacking play than that which occurs when we play either Ramires (concedes possession far too cheaply and lacks technique) or Mikel (unambitious passing coupled with a lack of mobility).

I don't believe that Oscar could be any worse than Fabregas (in current 'form') when defending, and he possesses similar levels of ability to Fabregas when it comes to linking play in the middle-third. Willian has the pace and stamina of Ramires, but supplements this with genuine technique. True, neither Oscar nor Willian possesses Fabregas' ability to play killer passes in the final third, but they would make up for this (in part) by offering the team a significantly greater level of dynamism and tactical flexibility than Fabregas and Mikel are able to, and all while still enabling us to maintain possession relatively well (unlike when Ramires features).

I agree mostly with your post, but at this moment it's still to early to really bench Fabregas, especially considering that we have begun PL season 1 week eariler then usually and most of our players are yet to be fully prepared for the season ahead. Cesc isn't known for his fitness, and obviously it shows so early into season.

And I really doubt it Mourinho even thought of playing Willian and Oscar as CMs because it's not their natural position and sadly our defense has been shaky for some time now. But yeah, I am not a big fan of having Fabregas and Matic as two deep midfielders when we defend. It makes Matic over work, and it makes Cesc burn out and lose the cutting edge and precision needed for his passing.

[supporter 3,088]

To win the Champions League we need the best version of Fabregas. Right now he's the best player we have to generate football / to move the team.

I hope he can recovers his motivation and the confidence in himself because we really need him. With Fabregas we are a different team...

ONE OF US

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

If he dropped Ivanovic who would replace him? And if he dropped Fabregas, guys to replace him are Mikel and Ramires, and they aren't helpful unless we're winning.

Yes I know that you mean Jose was reluctant to drop Bane last season, but season is past and I would avoid talking about it.

It's another problem that we have only mikel and ramires...

And no another Lb if azpi goes to play as a Rb....