didierforever 7,349 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 think jose only got like 5 more points than Rafa? Rafa got us a European trophy...should have been in FA cup final if City didn't cheat...Hardly a mess :/hahahahahahahahahhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAB 1,030 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Going wildly off topic because a user named thekid9, who has a Torres avatar, apparently loves Torres and Rafa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndersonBLUE 819 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Can't even have a joke around here anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 So you judge success only on trophies won? So you don't take In To consideration things like a manager inheriting a team with no balance, going through a transition season and not having a prolific goal scorer in the entire squad, while going through a building process? Does none of that matter then? and being out the title race in December last season and Challenging till the final few weeks this season, something we haven't done in years! and going out the CL group stage last season and and getting to the CL Semi Finals this season does none of this huge progress no matter as well?I think Rafa did a good job under the circumstances, he did subtle thing's like increase Hazard's workrate for example. The part that is laughable is people using Europey alone to suggest Rafa did a better job, not to mention glorify his good points yet ignore the shocking games (the game at Steuna was almost as bad as Sunderland under Carlo) and some woefull subs, all to seemingly have a dig at Jose, it must be, there was anything but a pro Rafa brigade when he was actually here. Using knockout cups to judge a managers work is a bit silly until they have won a few, as funny as Wenger's trophy drought is, he is superior to a lot off managers who have won something since he last has, hopefully Bruce is added to that list saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalBlues 2,817 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Leave it guys, 'thekid9' has the same no.9 tattoo as Torres has, but on his leg, there's no way you'll get to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 People seem to forget that Liverpool/Spain completely fucked his knee so he would be fit for the World cup!Afaik, that was Torres' decision. I seem to remember even further that he was told about such ramifications and continued anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 please explain how Mourinho failed? when in actual fact he made huge progress while cleaning up Rafa's mess! please enlighten us. Rafa's teams was more exciting to watch. not sure how Jose cleaned up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 oh so it was Rafa who won us the EL then was it?So by that logic it was Rafa's fault why we lost the Carling Cup and CWC! 2 trophies that were there on a plate for him to win but he failed miserably! It was our players who won us the EL not Rafa! if he couldn't even win us 2 trophies that were on a plate for him, so its a bit ridiculous to put the EL win down to him.btw reaching the CL Semi final is a much much bigger achievement then winning the EL! as Rafa would say FACT!Rafa left the team with no balance and no identity! Jose had to fix that mess when he came in! FACT!what logic is this?? your blaming him for things we didn't win but not crediting him for our wins?This team we have now is more unbalanced than we were at this point last year. parking a bus isn't that hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 what logic is this?? your blaming him for things we didn't win but not crediting him for our wins?This team we have now is more unbalanced than we were at this point last year. parking a bus isn't that hard... more balanced? Umm.... no? We're better defensively and fixed holes. Rafa patched things, didn't fix them. Don't be ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I do not care more about Torres than about the Club, I spend a hell of a lot of money flying to games a couple of times a month from Scotland, club hotel etc, buy 3 shirts every year, sub to chelsea TV eat in and drink in the clubs restaurants before the game...And yet you bitch and moan about this club constantly and show no connection with the optimism that the majority of fans have and the belief in Jose that most share.I'm sure plenty of tourists going to games are like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Rafa's teams was more exciting to watch. not sure how Jose cleaned upnot really! being terrified of Man City under Rafa wasn't very exciting all! if you cant see how Jose spent the first 6 months of the season cleaning up Rafa's mess then i really dont know what more to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 what logic is this?? your blaming him for things we didn't win but not crediting him for our wins?This team we have now is more unbalanced than we were at this point last year. parking a bus isn't that hardLol you don't understand the point i was making.please explain how the team is more unbalanced now??? and please explain how its easy to park the bus, when 90% of teams do it against Barca and Bayern and fail! or is it just easy for us to play that way, or are you just copying Rodgers pathetic comments after we beat Liverpool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 It's completely irrational and mind boggling how Torres can still have bootlickers and stans in 2014. He does have a flock of dedicated and loyal sheep fans that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Rafa's teams was more exciting to watch. not sure how Jose cleaned up Let's just wait and see how many trophies the special one wins next season, then I'll judge him again!I do not care more about Torres than about the Club, I spend a hell of a lot of money flying to games a couple of times a month from Scotland, club hotel etc, buy 3 shirts every year, sub to chelsea TV eat in and drink in the clubs restaurants before the game...I think people are Blinded by Jose's "record" you are only as good as your last game....or season in a Managers case, and in this case? well he failed surely? I can't see Roman telling him " It's ok if you don't win a trophy in your first year back'I'm sorry a players/managers History means nothing to me, It's what they do in the present! would you Sign Messi in 20 years and play him, Just because " his record is brilliant?no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,516 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 We will have won the league & Courtois will be our #1 keeper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,188 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 We will have won the league & Courtois will be our #1 keeperSome much needed positivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary gordon 1,777 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'm flabbergasted at some of the shit I've read here tonight. How can any so called Chelsea "supporters" second guess Jose Mourinho? The man doesn't need to win a trophy every year to be called successful. He is one of the best man managers in the world. I think I'd rather take the word of player's that have actually played for him then some moron, Torres fanboy or similar.Since some of the brainless morons want to compare Jose with managers (can't bring myself to type his name) from the previous season. Here are our stats vs the best teams of this season. Keep in mind in 2012-2013 Liverpool were nowhere near the team they were this season, yet we struggled to take 2 point's off them. Even though United were weaker this season, Everton and City were both much stronger. Arsenal, well they're just shit every year..2012-2013 Arsenal 1-2 ChelseaTottenham 2-4 ChelseaChelsea 2-3 Man united Chelsea 1-1LiverpoolChelsea 0-0 Man CityEverton 1-2 ChelseaChelsea 2-1 ArsenalMan City 2-0 ChelseaLiverpool 2-2 ChelseaMan United 0-1 Chelsea (United had already wrapped up the title)Chelsea 2-2 TottenhamChelsea 2-1 Everton19 goals scored 16 conceded22 points taken from our rivals2013-2014Chelsea 2-1 Man cityMan City 0-1ChelseaChelsea 2-1LiverpoolLiverpool 0-2ChelseaMan United 0-0ChelseaChelsea 3-0 Man unitedArsenal 0-0 ChelseaChelsea 6-0 ArsenalTottenham 1-1ChelseaChelsea 4-0TottenhamEverton 1-0 ChelseaChelsea 1-0 Everton22 goals scored 4 conceded27 points taken from our rivalsThat's 1 loss in 12 massive games this season. I don"t know about you guys, but i'd much rather that then some shitty Budweiser Cup or Capital One cup. Those results make us undoubtedly the most feared team in England. I couldn't give a fuck what any of you say. City have the most expensive EPL team in history and Liverpool played 14 less games then us this season and we knocked them both off. We missed out by a some stupid slip-up that nobody can blame Jose for.For those who don't believe me, in 2012-2013 we drew with:QPR awaySwansea awayFulham at homeSouthhampton at homeReading away.Apart from the games we lost to the top teams, we also lost to:West Brom awayWest Ham awayQPR at homeNewcastle awaySouthhampton awaySo the rot was there long before Jose even got here.These are the cold hard facts. Do with them what you please.. Just leave Jose out of it..BTW, Sorry for going off topic, What do i hope for this time next year? Premier League domination and a fair crack at the UCL again. Any else is a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,188 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'm flabbergasted at some of the shit I've read here tonight. How can any so called Chelsea "supporters" second guess Jose Mourinho? The man doesn't need to win a trophy every year to be called successful. He is one of the best man managers in the world. I think I'd rather take the word of player's that have actually played for him then some moron, Torres fanboy or similar.Since some of the brainless morons want to compare Jose with managersGary, your post was very detailed and a good read, but at the same time let's not throw insults in there. Your point could of been put across without doing that. People have differences of opinion whether you agree or not, but let's not roll out words such as the highlighted.Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'm flabbergasted at some of the shit I've read here tonight. How can any so called Chelsea "supporters" second guess Jose Mourinho? The man doesn't need to win a trophy every year to be called successful. He is one of the best man managers in the world. I think I'd rather take the word of player's that have actually played for him then some moron, Torres fanboy or similar.Since some of the brainless morons want to compare Jose with managers (can't bring myself to type his name) from the previous season. Here are our stats vs the best teams of this season. Keep in mind in 2012-2013 Liverpool were nowhere near the team they were this season, yet we struggled to take 2 point's off them. Even though United were weaker this season, Everton and City were both much stronger. Arsenal, well they're just shit every year..2012-2013 Arsenal 1-2 ChelseaTottenham 2-4 ChelseaChelsea 2-3 Man united Chelsea 1-1LiverpoolChelsea 0-0 Man CityEverton 1-2 ChelseaChelsea 2-1 ArsenalMan City 2-0 ChelseaLiverpool 2-2 ChelseaMan United 0-1 Chelsea (United had already wrapped up the title)Chelsea 2-2 TottenhamChelsea 2-1 Everton19 goals scored 16 conceded22 points taken from our rivals2013-2014Chelsea 2-1 Man cityMan City 0-1ChelseaChelsea 2-1LiverpoolLiverpool 0-2ChelseaMan United 0-0ChelseaChelsea 3-0 Man unitedArsenal 0-0 ChelseaChelsea 6-0 ArsenalTottenham 1-1ChelseaChelsea 4-0TottenhamEverton 1-0 ChelseaChelsea 1-0 Everton22 goals scored 4 conceded27 points taken from our rivalsThat's 1 loss in 12 massive games this season. I don"t know about you guys, but i'd much rather that then some shitty Budweiser Cup or Capital One cup. Those results make us undoubtedly the most feared team in England. I couldn't give a fuck what any of you say. City have the most expensive EPL team in history and Liverpool played 14 less games then us this season and we knocked them both off. We missed out by a some stupid slip-up that nobody can blame Jose for.For those who don't believe me, in 2012-2013 we drew with:QPR awaySwansea awayFulham at homeSouthhampton at homeReading away.Apart from the games we lost to the top teams, we also lost to:West Brom awayWest Ham awayQPR at homeNewcastle awaySouthhampton awaySo the rot was there long before Jose even got here.These are the cold hard facts. Do with them what you please.. Just leave Jose out of it..BTW, Sorry for going off topic, What do i hope for this time next year? Premier League domination and a fair crack at the UCL again. Any else is a bonus.Don't even know why you wasted your time pal, he was not worth this at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Someone will have ended the corruption by usurping power here at TC and putting Alex's head on a spike (ban). Banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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