🇷🇸 Nemanja Matic

[hjperdeath 2,226]

There are also variables that have nothing to do with the player performance, like what club is buying him? How bad do they need him? How many teams are in for him? In which window is he being transferred? How much time is left of the window? How happy is he at his current club? How eager is he to join the other team? Does he want to force the move? How good are the negotiators of each team? What is the selling club policy about selling players? Are they Porto or are they Chelsea?...etc and tons of other factors that you just can't measure.

But even if you put all that aside for a moment, this is football, not baseball, for example. Stats can help you show a certain point but they account for very little of the game. No stat can integrate player movement, mentality, decision making, leadership...etc

So I disagree. I don't think that those numbers on the sight can be used to predict the fee that a certain player may be sold for nor is it a good way to measure and compare the skills of football players.

I said they won't be sold for that value. It's just a number written to give an overall idea for how much he's worth , not the number that is to be paid to get him. The last part, I'll disagree, seeing the amount of work put in.

[lucio 5,418]

I cant see us going for an inferior player to Mikel tbh. Mikel isn't even getting minutes for us yet so I doubt we'll be signing Matic any time soon.

how is he inferior to mikel????

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

how is he inferior to mikel????

Matic is a decent player, playing in a decent team in a decent league. Mikel is a better player plus hes one of the best DMs in the PL. Matic still a bit to go before we can consider him better than Mikel.

[The Mak 4,459]

Do you know what makes me laugh?

Fernando Torres €60m

Porto and Benfica do what's possible to remain competitive and that means buy cheap and sell for millions. Unfortunately there ain't a Russian millionaire in every club on earth.

£50m for Torres now is laughable, yes, but not so much then. We thought we were going to get a proven PL players with a ridiculous goalscoring record, not a meek, broken player.

You on the other hand smack massive price tags on potential or records in an inferior league. I know your clubs needs to make as much money as possible, I get it. The price tags on Falcao, Luiz, Ramires were fine, probably should've even been more; but €40m for Matic is beyond ridiculous.

You were lucky Zenit came in and payed upfront cash the last time for Witsel, and if you think Chelsea are going to do something similar for a player we gave away for nothing well then, I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. We would never pay such a price for a player we basically threw away, we'd look like absolute idiots if we did. The only reason you sold Witsel last time for so much is because Zenit had to pay the premium for being in such a bad league. So you better hope they come back for Matic, because a club from a top league will never pay such a price.

P.S. I don't even rate Matic. Good, but not as good as some think and he's not even good enough to shine Witsel's boots. He played against Chelsea, a team which is a level above the teams he usually plays against, and all he looked like was a midfield thug; resorting to running around and kicking lumps out of people because he couldn't get a sniff of the ball. He was lucky to stay on the pitch.

[didierforever 7,349]

40m for matic??? blah... rather 40mil for witsel/20mil for bender.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Ironically that he got a red card in the match Mou watched him. I am pretty sure we would never be signing him anyway.

[ZanSnake 1,211]

Think he means this .

Witsel - http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/axel-witsel/profil/spieler_35047.html

Matic - http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/nemanja-matic/profil/spieler_74683.html

It also says Ba is worth 19m, and Mikel for 22m euros

Don't seem right to me

[José Mateus 46]

£50m for Torres now is laughable, yes, but not so much then. We thought we were going to get a proven PL players with a ridiculous goalscoring record, not a meek, broken player.

You on the other hand smack massive price tags on potential or records in an inferior league. I know your clubs needs to make as much money as possible, I get it. The price tags on Falcao, Luiz, Ramires were fine, probably should've even been more; but €40m for Matic is beyond ridiculous.

You were lucky Zenit came in and payed upfront cash the last time for Witsel, and if you think Chelsea are going to do something similar for a player we gave away for nothing well then, I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. We would never pay such a price for a player we basically threw away, we'd look like absolute idiots if we did. The only reason you sold Witsel last time for so much is because Zenit had to pay the premium for being in such a bad league. So you better hope they come back for Matic, because a club from a top league will never pay such a price.

P.S. I don't even rate Matic. Good, but not as good as some think and he's not even good enough to shine Witsel's boots. He played against Chelsea, a team which is a level above the teams he usually plays against, and all he looked like was a midfield thug; resorting to running around and kicking lumps out of people because he couldn't get a sniff of the ball. He was lucky to stay on the pitch.

You're talking like Benfica needs to desperately sell Matiç. I wish he could stay here until the end of his career.

If someone wants him... bring the 40 million. If not the better.

Matiç has been a lot better for us than Witsel was. In fact he has covered both for Javi Garcia and Witsel. He's that good.

[Blue Warrior 109]

Matic is a backwards step. Look forward with Ilkay Gundogan or Arturo Vidal. We should be scouting the Bundersliga.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Do you know what makes me laugh?

Fernando Torres €60m

Porto and Benfica do what's possible to remain competitive and that means buy cheap and sell for millions. Unfortunately there ain't a Russian millionaire in every club on earth.

Firstly, he's a billionaire.

Secondly, why would any Russian billionaire buy a football club in Portugal? To level it and turn it into a holiday villa? Is the district line getting an underwater extension?

Matic is a decent player, playing in a decent team in a decent league. Mikel is a better player plus hes one of the best DMs in the PL. Matic still a bit to go before we can consider him better than Mikel.

Mikel's defence seems to be he's a good 'DM'. Fair enough, but the question needs to be asked whether our current system requires a 'DM' who was formed in the mould of Makelele and whether that type of player is relevant in the modern game.

Re-watch the Champions League final before answering.

[Tomo 21,751]

40m for matic??? blah... rather 40mil for witsel/20mil for bender.

Which one?

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Which one?

The last air one.

[English Freak 456]

Mikel's defence seems to be he's a good 'DM'. Fair enough, but the question needs to be asked whether our current system requires a 'DM' who was formed in the mould of Makelele and whether that type of player is relevant in the modern game.

Re-watch the Champions League final before answering.

Not sure if that type of 'DM' is relevant in the modern game..but what I do know is: spending 40 million on Matic would be a waste of money.

If we're looking to spend 40 million on a midfielder, I'd much rather Witsel than Matic.

[didierforever 7,349]

Which one?

sven

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Firstly, he's a billionaire.

Secondly, why would any Russian billionaire buy a football club in Portugal? To level it and turn it into a holiday villa? Is the district line getting an underwater extension?

Mikel's defence seems to be he's a good 'DM'. Fair enough, but the question needs to be asked whether our current system requires a 'DM' who was formed in the mould of Makelele and whether that type of player is relevant in the modern game.

Re-watch the Champions League final before answering.

I get your point. In a 4-2-3-1 you don't necessarily need a DM but there are going to be times where we play with a DM and 2 midfielders in front of him, as Jose said he sometimes likes 2 in front of the defence and a #10 or a sitting player and 2 midfielders. If we do stick with 4-2-3-1 which (we probably will based on our squad personnel) then signing Matic for 40m or whatever would be useless as he wouldn't really feature again because you don't always use a DM in a 4-2-3-1 and then if we are to play with a DM why spend 40m a player who is inferior to a player we already have in that position?

[lucio 5,418]

matic is the best player in portugal. he is better than mikel i have to say. mikel has been below par in the premier league since 2010/11 imo.

however £40m should be bid on witsel , gundogan , pogba. would only spend £20m on matic.

[Stats 7,142]

£50m for Torres now is laughable, yes, but not so much then. We thought we were going to get a proven PL players with a ridiculous goalscoring record, not a meek, broken player.

You on the other hand smack massive price tags on potential or records in an inferior league. I know your clubs needs to make as much money as possible, I get it. The price tags on Falcao, Luiz, Ramires were fine, probably should've even been more; but €40m for Matic is beyond ridiculous.

You were lucky Zenit came in and payed upfront cash the last time for Witsel, and if you think Chelsea are going to do something similar for a player we gave away for nothing well then, I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. We would never pay such a price for a player we basically threw away, we'd look like absolute idiots if we did. The only reason you sold Witsel last time for so much is because Zenit had to pay the premium for being in such a bad league. So you better hope they come back for Matic, because a club from a top league will never pay such a price.

P.S. I don't even rate Matic. Good, but not as good as some think and he's not even good enough to shine Witsel's boots. He played against Chelsea, a team which is a level above the teams he usually plays against, and all he looked like was a midfield thug; resorting to running around and kicking lumps out of people because he couldn't get a sniff of the ball. He was lucky to stay on the pitch.

I agree with the price for Matic being ludicrous but he is a key player for them and that is understandable. I think he has improved by miles since joining Benfica. Obviously a different league from the PL but viewings from him, I think he would do well. I also disagree with his performance against Chelsea. I thought he was very good. Dominated the ball, rarely gave it away and thought he done an excellent job. Over the 90 mins he was excellent IMHO. I do not know if you were referring to the UCL games but in the EL final he certainly had most of the ball more than any other player and I thought to myself what an improved player we let go.

[English Freak 456]

I agree with the price for Matic being ludicrous but he is a key player for them and that is understandable. I think he has improved by miles since joining Benfica. Obviously a different league from the PL but viewings from him, I think he would do well. I also disagree with his performance against Chelsea. I thought he was very good. Dominated the ball, rarely gave it away and thought he done an excellent job. Over the 90 mins he was excellent IMHO. I do not know if you were referring to the UCL games but in the EL final he certainly had most of the ball more than any other player and I thought to myself what an improved player we let go.

To be fair to Matic, he's getting regular football in the right club at that critical age of 24 years to 28 years.

He's playing very well for Benfica because he's starting to mature as a player and he's got the confidence of the manager...but in saying that, spending 40 million on him would be a waste of money.

I think if we put faith into Van Ginkel and he ended up playing 40+ games a season, we wouldn't need to worry about bringing in another midfielder.

[Blue Warrior 109]

Midfield is overcrowded, time to recruit a new strikeforce. Etoo at 32 may not have the speed and longevity of earlier years. Wishing him well and expect a debut goal.

[mac.bo 48]

Midfield is overcrowded, time to recruit a new strikeforce. Etoo at 32 may not have the speed and longevity of earlier years. Wishing him well and expect a debut goal.