hjperdeath 2,226 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 He has three Champions League titles which determines this is not true.Ancelotti's teams do have weaknesses but he kicked Europe's ass three times, it's a little harsh to say he can't handle crisis.Mourinho (the divine genius) has never even led Chelsea into the final.What logic is that?RDM has a UCL title too.The divine genius led Chelsea to 6 trophies in 3 years. Get some respect... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 What logic is that?RDM has a UCL title too.The divine genius led Chelsea to 6 trophies in 3 years. Get some respect...You forgot to mention, Ancelotti, the man who supposedly knows how to handle a crisis because of UCL titles, didn't even lead us to the final. Furthest he got us was the QFs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 He has three Champions League titles which determines this is not true.Ancelotti's teams do have weaknesses but he kicked Europe's ass three times, it's a little harsh to say he can't handle crisis.Mourinho (the divine genius) has never even led Chelsea into the final.and was his teams in crisis during those season's. When the wheels came off with us he didn't know how to halt it and it looks like the same is happening now at Real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,698 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 and was his teams in crisis during those season's.When the wheels came off with us he didn't know how to halt it and it looks like the same is happening now at Real.He couldn't even prove it... We sacked him after one "bad" season(CL-quarterfinals, 2nd in the PL). Many player left and joined us after the 2009/10 season but Abramovich didn't let him build the new Chelsea.Real is having problems right now but they can still win LaLiga(1 point behind Barca) and the Champions League. They have only played a few bad matches, fans and media are making a big deal about it.What logic is that?@Adnane said Carlo can't handle crisis. I don't think it's right to say that to coach who has won the Champions League 3 times. That's it.Why do you mention Di Matteo? I don't get it. He is very young and inexperienced but I hope he'll have the chance to work for a top side again. He has "only" one CL-title though, Carlo has three and worked for several strong teams. It's pointless to compare them.I just don't get why isn't Carlo taken seriously while Mourinho is treated like a god.. Carlo's football is not less effective than Mourinho's, they are both top managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 He has three Champions League titles which determines this is not true.Ancelotti's teams do have weaknesses but he kicked Europe's ass three times, it's a little harsh to say he can't handle crisis.Mourinho (the divine genius) has never even led Chelsea into the final.He had one of the all time great sides in Milan and the most expensive squad ever assembled with Real. Ancelotti is a great manager, but limited. Mourinho is in a different class. Cholo is better than Carlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 @Adnane said Carlo can't handle crisis. I don't think it's right to say that to coach who has won the Champions League 3 times. That's it.Why do you mention Di Matteo? I don't get it. He is very young and inexperienced but I hope he'll have the chance to work for a top side again. He has "only" one CL-title though, Carlo has three and worked for several strong teams. It's pointless to compare them.I just don't get why isn't Carlo taken seriously while Mourinho is treated like a god.. Carlo's football is not less effective than Mourinho's, they are both top managers.Because the idea of saying a manager knows how to handle a crisis purely based on Champions League titles is nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiby2979 175 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 He has three Champions League titles which determines this is not true.Ancelotti's teams do have weaknesses but he kicked Europe's ass three times, it's a little harsh to say he can't handle crisis.Mourinho (the divine genius) has never even led Chelsea into the final.He has three League titles in 20 years of career. He is the ideal coach for short tourneys and big matches, not to give the consistency and regularity that it takes to win a long tourneys like a league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illmatic 901 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Great man, but like trainer, for me, he is very limited. If he will be sacked for Real Madrid, I Hope that City or United sign him. One rival less in league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,698 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Because the idea of saying a manager knows how to handle a crisis purely based on Champions League titles is nonsense.Should I list every single trophy he has got? He kinda won everything. When did I say I only judge Carlo based on his CL-titles? It was just one example. He had one of the all time great sides in Milan and the most expensive squad ever assembled with Real. Ancelotti is a great manager, but limited. Mourinho is in a different class. Cholo is better than Carlo.If he will be sacked for Real Madrid, I Hope that City or United sign him. One rival less in league. That's what I mentioned earlier.. He is so underrated here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Should I list every single trophy he has got? He kinda won everything. When did I say I only judge Carlo based on his CL-titles? It was just one example. Another example and better judgment of success - 3 league titles in 20 years of management. You might say his time at Chelsea and PSG was short but only 1 league triumph in 8 years with Milan? That's poor for a manager of his standard. That's what I mentioned earlier.. He is so underrated here. OR I could easily turn around and say Ancelotti is overrated. Hardly anyone here has said he's a bad manager. He's just not THAT great like you are making him out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I don't think it's right to say that to coach who has won the Champions League 3 times. That's it. How does winning the 3 CL time mean that he can handle crises? It's his biggest weakness. He can't handle certain situations and that is the truth. Guardiola has won the CL 2 times, he has his weaknesses too. His teams suffer against teams that employ the low block. Why do you mention Di Matteo? I don't get it. He is very young and inexperienced but I hope he'll have the chance to work for a top side again. He has "only" one CL-title though, Carlo has three and worked for several strong teams. It's pointless to compare them. Because you were considering the ability of managers based on the numbers of CL titles they have won. Simeone has 0, RDM has 1. Who is better? I just don't get why isn't Carlo taken seriously while Mourinho is treated like a god.. Carlo's football is not less effective than Mourinho's, they are both top managers. Carlo isn't on the same level as Mourinho. Throw them both into the pot, people would pick Jose. He is treated like god, for fucks's sake this is a Chelsea forum. What did you expect? He is god to many here because he defines us as what we are as a club. They are both top managers. But having weaknesses and accepting them doesn't make them any different. Both manager's have their shortcomings , Carlo has larger one's than Jose does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,698 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Because you were considering the ability of managers based on the numbers of CL titles they have won. Simeone has 0, RDM has 1. Who is better? CL was just an example as I've already mentioned..Guardiola has won the CL 2 times, he has his weaknesses too.I never said Carlo doesn't have weaknesses. He obviously has but it's ridiculous and too general to say "he can't handle crisis". Another example and better judgment of success - 3 league titles in 20 years of management. You might say his time at Chelsea and PSG was short but only 1 league triumph in 8 years with Milan? That's poor for a manager of his standard.I'm not saying Carlo is THE man and his carreer has been perfect. My point is that he trained many top teams and has won almost everything, he clearly has the abilites and the experience to build a strong team again in Madrid or at City. Opinions like @illmatc's are just ignorant and disrespectful. We shouldn't look down on Carlo because Real can easily defeat us this year, I'm not sure parking the bus would work against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Well I guess everyone highlighted what's wrong about your idea, 3 CLs doesn't make him a decent crisis manager.Plus, I really prefer to base my judgement on the league titles rather than the Champions League, the latter having so many random components in it, just look at how much we deserved to win it but didn't between 2005 and 2011, and what happened when we were really poor. On league titles, José has 7 titles in 15 Years, Ancelotti has 3 in 20 Years, you do realise what that means ? José wins the league one year out of two, almost SEVEN YEARS separate Ancelotti's league triumphs, that's totally ridiculous for a manager people claim to be one of the best ever. The only thing he's got more is the one Champion League, now he's won one on penalties, one against a poor Liverpool side ( And he managed to throw away a 3-0 half time lead against a weaker Scouser side two years earlier ), plus one on an additional time equaliser against a devastated team. Now excuse me, I do give him credit for reaching 4 finals, but the guy's got a huge amount of luck in his finals. Mourinho is 10 Wins out of 12 on finals i think, that is way more impressive than Carlo's records on final. Mourinho is 100% Wins on CL Finals, Carlo is 3 on 4, of course, reached it couple times more but then again, mourinho's record on the finals speaks for itself. Nos just imagine that Mourinho had that bit of luck in his 5 Semi-finals with us and Real combined, two times on penalties, one time on a doubtdul red card, another on a ghost goal and the last one goal shy of qualification. I do recognize that you have to prepare your team the best way you can, but I'm sorry, he's been hugely unlucky here. It's all just to prove to you that you can't judge a manager's ability SOLELY on Champions Leagues, and a Champions League winner manager isn't necessarily a great one. How much Champions League does Ferguson have ? 2. Is Carlo better ? Anyway, I feel like I'm diverting too much on Ancelotti-Mourinho comparisons. Now to come back to my main point, how did he leave Milan ? On crisis, how did he leave us ? On Crisis ? How is Real doing now ? When I talk about crisis, i'm speaking about the moment oponents start to counter your system, find your weaknesses and exploit them. I remember his first year here is legendary both in terms of trophies and Football quality, at the start of the second we looked even better, a couple months later, crisis, losing streak, countless draws, opponents defeating us at Stamford Bridge, additional time wins, and he had no real answer, just won enough games to keep us within points of United ( and the title challenge was extremely poor that year ).At the moment, they sold Xabi, who was their only reliable holding midfielder, Kroos and Modric have both great footballing skills and brains but aren't natural HMs, yesterday, a side technically decent who managed to get away from Real's great pressing caused them huge trouble, ans the likes of us, Bayern and Barcelona are going to press on that even more. I don't know about you, but 4 GOALS at home is ridiculous, 4 goals away at Atletico is worse for the league contention, countless losses this year, and so on. This clearly announces a crisis at Real Madrid. With the right tools, he sets up the team extremely well, but the manager's work isn't on preparing the team solely, it's on keeping your team winning and finding solutions when opponents hit back at you, with all the love i have for him due to his legendary first year here, Carlo is the worst possible man for the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,698 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Carlo isn't on the same level as Mourinho.Would it be cheap if I tried to restart this conversation now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Would it be cheap if I tried to restart this conversation now?We drew with PSG, they lost 4-3 to schalke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrus 422 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Well, right now we're similar to Real Madrid, discussing the sacking of the manager and possible replacements. So comparisons make sense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,698 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 We drew with PSG, they lost 4-3 to schalke...Real didn't park the bus in Gelsenkirchen so 3-4 was enough.. We should have attack just a little bit more. Parking the bus with this squad just don't work and Mourinho doesn't seem to be that good in handling crisis now. We lost against Atleti last April, almost a year ago and it looks like we didn't improve since that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Real didn't park the bus in Gelsenkirchen so 3-4 was enough.. We should have attack just a little bit more. Parking the bus with this squad just don't work and Mourinho doesn't seem to be that good in handling crisis now. We lost against Atleti last April, almost a year ago and it looks like we didn't improve since that.Who is better than him though? Simeone would have to revamp the whole team, Klopp is a one trick pony, Pep is never coming here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Who is better than him though? Simeone would have to revamp the whole team, Klopp is a one trick pony, Pep is never coming here.Simeone wouldn't, he will install winning mentality in the team. If by revamp you mean selling Oscar, Cahill..etc and sign Koke, Godin then yeah I will take that all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,698 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Who is better than him though? Simeone would have to revamp the whole team, Klopp is a one trick pony, Pep is never coming here.José could be the best but I think he is going wrong way with his bus. We have top players for any single position but we play like a Championship team. Mourinho needs to braver and let his team attack - we have Hazard, Costa, Oscar, Fábregas, Willian etc. FFS.(also, I don't want Chelsea to sack Mourinho, I never wanted it for a second. I'm only saying it's not that obvious that he is better than Carlo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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