No.10 Role

[Fernando 6,585]

In ALL your faces

Yeah I see now.

What really has changed is the high pressing game which was more better.

I see that Oscar is able to sit back and help with the high pressing game where as to Mata he could not do it.

But in terms of creativity Mata is still top. However Oscar is more rounded for all type of games.

In games where we really need to boss the opposition I think Mata will come good. But in more tactical games Oscar seems to be number one.

[Clevemayer 764]

Yeah I see now.

What really has changed is the high pressing game which was more better.

I see that Oscar is able to sit back and help with the high pressing game where as to Mata he could not do it.

But in terms of creativity Mata is still top. However Oscar is more rounded for all type of games.

In games where we really need to boss the opposition I think Mata will come good. But in more tactical games Oscar seems to be number one.

Exactly I say he should be our CM thread next to mikel i am with you

[Fernando 6,585]

Exactly I say he should be our CM thread next to mikel i am with you

Wait what?

I thought we where discussing for number 10?

CM next to Mikel is another role right?

[Clevemayer 764]

Wait what?

I thought we where discussing for number 10?

CM next to Mikel is another role right?

Read my previous points mate

[Fernando 6,585]

Read my previous points mate

Oh okay I see.

I'm fact it looks like Mourinho is thinking just like that. I remember when we used to say if Oscar can play in double pivot?

Well I think that is what Mourinho will push for eventually.

Oscar would be like the xavi alonso playing in the mid helping out the dm but also adding creativity.

And mata our main 10.

I think Mourinho wants mata to be a bit more aggressive like Oscar so he can help us when we need to press in the high line.

[meetdoscar 335]

first of all, it was to show YOUR BIAS towards a player. it was to show your pre-judice.

now lets take the all of your post into consideretion

tell me when did the national team become the criteria to select our players for club football. i mean does mikel play as a cam/cm for chelsea like he does for nigeria. if rambo conviniently dropped out of the squad like he is for brazil. no he is our first name on the team-sheet, ahead of cech, jt, oscar, mata, hazard, because we look pathetic in mid without him. let me give u a clear idea. players play 10 matches a year at an average for their nations while they play 60 for their clubs. they spend 40 weeks out of 52 with their clubs while just the remaining 12 with the NT. its the club performances that normally defines a player. not his NT performances/position.

then u say that if people only care about mata, then they will slag mou and oscar but so conviniently defend them with the youth argument, completely neglecting what our results and performances have been so far.

lastly, as i said in my previous post. CFC is not about oscar's development, its about the right results and right balance. if it means chucking out mata on the bench would give us the right result then i am 100% in but when right now things are not looking so rosy and ideal, hence we should be thinking of doing what i best for the team not for oscar.

To be a chelsea first team player you obviously have to be of the quality to represent your national side but again you don't know much mourinho does and said oscar will be his no. 10 part of the reason he gave is that oscar plays as a no.10 for the most prestigious national team in football and with also a team with the most talented No.10's

Secondly I said to show bias in favor of mata will only be credible if the oscar/jose project fail by dec/jan that's not hard to understand is it as so far it isn't a failure.

It is definitely not about oscars development alone but i use oscar to represent the younger players you also have van ginkel, kdb, schurrle and co. If any of them plays better or is in more form than an older experienced player I expect them to be picked just like oscar over mata. I can't always write everything in detail else I write a book.

[didierforever 7,349]

To be a chelsea first team player you obviously have to be of the quality to represent your national side but again you don't know much mourinho does and said oscar will be his no. 10 part of the reason he gave is that oscar plays as a no.10 for the most prestigious national team in football and with also a team with the most talented No.10's

Secondly I said to show bias in favor of mata will only be credible if the oscar/jose project fail by dec/jan that's not hard to understand is it as so far it isn't a failure.

It is definitely not about oscars development alone but i use oscar to represent the younger players you also have van ginkel, kdb, schurrle and co. If any of them plays better or is in more form than an older experienced player I expect them to be picked just like oscar over mata. I can't always write everything in detail else I write a book.

out of 6 players for the am position, 4 are 22 and below oscar, hazard, kdb, schurlle, the rest are 25 willian and mata. so even if willian and mata both play atleast one of the "youth" will be playing. that argument itself is invalid. these are players who are proven at different levels. each of them has already played a part in their NT, in their clubs' success all over europe. even kdb played for genk in CL before coming to chelsea, hazard at lille, mata at valencia, schurlle with leverkusen. "youth" argument would be most apt if some1 like mvg, ake make thru to the team and are played.

oscar is already a proven player as is mata and even more complete than mata. mou is not choosing oscar to develop him and all that jazz, he is choosing oscar cos he wants a team with defensive organization, discipline, workrate as well with their creativity.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Lol how do you know how Mourinho wants us to look like when we are defending? there really isn't no difference. its the same formation yeah, the tactics are all the same. the wingers track back to make it look like the 4-4-1-1. you're just putting players in a different position (further up/further down), when on the pitch its always going to transform to the 4-4-1-1

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now listen from minute 6:15 for proof

[zolayes 14,489]

for me we have Oscar with Juan as his back up.. watch this seasons games and watch only Oscar ,,,he is phenomenal

[Korea 734]

As I said 6 months ago, Oscar will be chelsea's best player.

[didierforever 7,349]

after listening to jose talk today, i can say this,HE LL BE BACK!!!

[Term-X 7,891]

Oscar is our number 10, he's Brazil's number 10, he will not be moving into the pivot. We really need to clamp down on this attitude of 'when he gets pushed into the pivot', which a few members have been regurgitating. It's as if this forum hasn't seen the interviews, ffs.. especially the one above.

[Mustafa 885]

Here's a thought Jose... Why not play them together ? Just like last season ! I understand that Mata doesnt fulfill the criteria that Jose wants but when we are playing against a team thats gonna sit back with 2 banks of 4 for most of the game... I dont see why we cant have the 3 amigos starting together ! This will benefit for Chelsea and Jose because 1. Mata needs fitness (and he's not gonna get that if he watching from the bench) 2. He'll find some sort of form if he plays against inferior sides 3. We wont play shite, slow, unattractive, rhythmless football

Its a no brainer really....

[Barbara 15,149]

Here's a thought Jose... Why not play them together ? Just like last season ! I understand that Mata doesnt fulfill the criteria that Jose wants but when we are playing against a team thats gonna sit back with 2 banks of 4 for most of the game... I dont see why we cant have the 3 amigos starting together ! This will benefit for Chelsea and Jose because 1. Mata needs fitness (and he's not gonna get that if he watching from the bench) 2. He'll find some sort of form if he plays against inferior sides 3. We wont play shite, slow, unattractive, rhythmless football

Its a no brainer really....

he just said in one the interviews (better check the Mourinho thread) his plan is to play the two of them together (I assume as AM's, no pivot nonsense), but that he feels Mata isn't ready to start the matches. So I think his plan is to keep Mazacar, but he won't play them until Mata is fit - which should apply to Hazard too btw as Eden has been below par - as much or even more so than Mata and that is while playing at all possible minutes except today's last five. I support Mata being benched and proving his value, but I can't understand why the same doesn't apply to Hazard - quite the opposite the more he sucks, the more he plays it seems.

[MHL 47 378]

Listening to Jose it's clear he rates Mata but wants more from him. Smacks very much of Joe Cole and that turned out OK until JC had the bad knee injury, he wasn't the same player after that.

There have been rumours that people in the club (back to last season) have felt that Mata went missing in the really big games, this might explain the stance being taken?

Oscar/Mata - Each has their own special set of abilities and both can be played together, therefore I believe it's not an 'either, or' scenario. Having watched Ramires play centrally and advanced, he doesn't have the guile and passing ability that Oscar and Mata possess. Yesterday's game being a prime example.

It is fairly clear that we will start most games with one striker, Oscar has probably been our best performer thus far this season and deserves his starting place. My own way of dealing with the scenario would be to make whatever exact point Jose is making with Mata and then go with a Ramires or Mikel plus Oscar as our central pairing in midfield, Hazard and De Bruyne in the wide areas, these are interchangeable with Willian and Schurlle and then have Mata in a role in between the midfield and forward. Oscar and Mata can also interchange positions during the course of any game.