Willian

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3 hours ago, Milan said:

I never forgot.

 

[Vesper 30,090]

We should have sold him for the £65m back in summer 2018. massive cock-up, but I am not going to kick him in the batty on the way out the door. I so hope he doesn't fuck us up v Arse.

He was not a bad player at all, and I think many of his contributions were not appreciated nearly enough. That said, he was a poison pill at times and I am enraged he faked injury to avoid playing in the FA Cup final v those goona cunts.

That game, The Taylor Final, is added to my 10 most bitter disappoints ever at Chels in terms of Roman era-games. I REALLLLLLLLLY hate losing trophy games. Hate it!!!! Not acceptable. Do not care if it is EL or CL or a CS, FWCC or or Super Cup, League Cup or FA Cup, it fucking pisses me off.

[BXL70 396]

One of our best players for years. I do not see anything positive in him leaving (for free). He certainly has 2 additional years to perform at the highest level. Not three. And there was no way we would pay an additional 3 years contract. Disappointed but let's move on. It was his own decision.

 

 

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17 hours ago, Vesper said:

We should have sold him for the £65m back in summer 2018. massive cock-up, but I am not going to kick him in the batty on the way out the door. I so hope he doesn't fuck us up v Arse.

He was not a bad player at all, and I think many of his contributions were not appreciated nearly enough. That said, he was a poison pill at times and I am enraged he faked injury to avoid playing in the FA Cup final v those goona cunts.

That game, The Taylor Final, is added to my 10 most bitter disappoints ever at Chels in terms of Roman era-games. I REALLLLLLLLLY hate losing trophy games. Hate it!!!! Not acceptable. Do not care if it is EL or CL or a CS, FWCC or or Super Cup, League Cup or FA Cup, it fucking pisses me off.

He faked an injury to avoid playing them? Is that true?

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26 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

He faked an injury to avoid playing them? Is that true?

It looks really suspicious. I have no concrete proof, but I truly think he did. He is all about the payday and look at what happened to Pedro. I think he downed tools to avoid the chance.

I hope my intuition is wrong.

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2 hours ago, BXL70 said:

One of our best players for years.

But still never been good enough. Just because he was better than some of the other shit we've had in RW doesn't mean he was worth keeping around. Let's be fair, if the competition for him over the years was players like Pedro, Moses, Kenedy, Cuadrado, Remy, Schürrle and a 2014-Salah the bar wasn't exactly set very high for Willian to stand out.

Pedro and Willian were both decent workhorse players but ultimately neither of them were ever really good enough. It's no wonder that both of them enjoyed the best football of their Chelsea careers under Conte when high work rate and being good on the counter-attack were one of the most important qualities in a player. But stick them in a team that dominates possession and needs their attacking players to often create something out of nothing and they both look shit.

If we'd just had a Hazard-level player on the right wing instead of Willian/Pedro I'm sure the team would've been much, much more successful in the last 7 years. Don't get me wrong, two league titles and a few cups is by no means a bad record but it could have been a lot better.

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47 minutes ago, Jype said:

But still never been good enough. Just because he was better than some of the other shit we've had in RW doesn't mean he was worth keeping around. Let's be fair, if the competition for him over the years was players like Pedro, Moses, Kenedy, Cuadrado, Remy, Schürrle and a 2014-Salah the bar wasn't exactly set very high for Willian to stand out.

Pedro and Willian were both decent workhorse players but ultimately neither of them were ever really good enough. It's no wonder that both of them enjoyed the best football of their Chelsea careers under Conte when high work rate and being good on the counter-attack were one of the most important qualities in a player. But stick them in a team that dominates possession and needs their attacking players to often create something out of nothing and they both look shit.

If we'd just had a Hazard-level player on the right wing instead of Willian/Pedro I'm sure the team would've been much, much more successful in the last 7 years. Don't get me wrong, two league titles and a few cups is by no means a bad record but it could have been a lot better.

We had one in Salah if we have just been patient. In summer 2013 (when we bought Willian) there was only one remotely Hazard level RWer available. And Real took him (Bale). Sterling was 18yo. Angel di Maria was a bust at Manure until he became WC at PSG, he was not available in 2013 anyway.

It was down to 2 ways. Fight the biggest club on the planet for a Spuds player, or we could have been patient with Salah. Robben was never going to come back. Bernardo Silva was a teen, Mahrez a complete unknown.

If I am missing a player I am more than open to suggestions. Great RWers are rare as fuck. It is what makes Messi stand out even more. Sterling is actually better on the left IMHO but is still a WC player on the right. 

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

We had one in Salah if we have just been patient. In summer 2013 (when we bought Willian) there was only one remotely Hazard level RWer available. And Real took him (Bale). Sterling was 18yo. Angel di Maria was a bust at Manure until he became WC at PSG, he was not available in 2013 anyway.

It was down to 2 ways. Fight the biggest club on the planet for a Spuds player, or we could have been patient with Salah. Robben was never going to come back. Bernardo Silva was a teen, Mahrez a complete unknown.

If I am missing a player I am more than open to suggestions. Great RWers are rare as fuck. It is what makes Messi stand out even more. Sterling is actually better on the left IMHO but is still a WC player on the right. 

I didn't exactly mean signing a better winger in 2013 instead of Willian (although at the time I remember not wanting him at all because of KDB). What I meant was that the club could have maybe tried to get an improvement at RW somewhere along the way when it became clear that Willian's level was not world class and that he was very unlikely to improve either.

So maybe having a better option for the full 7 years was not realistic but just from the ones you mentioned Mahrez would've been easily available anytime from 2016 to 2018 and he'd have been a big improvement. Over the years there have been others too, but the club decided to trust Willian and since Pedro joined there was never any intention of looking for an improvement.

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1 hour ago, Jype said:

Pedro and Willian were both decent workhorse players but ultimately neither of them were ever really good enough. It's no wonder that both of them enjoyed the best football of their Chelsea careers under Conte when high work rate and being good on the counter-attack were one of the most important qualities in a player. But stick them in a team that dominates possession and needs their attacking players to often create something out of nothing and they both look shit.

Willian yes but Pedro was great in Barca offensive system.

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3 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Willian yes but Pedro was great in Barca offensive system.

Maybe, but Pedro was never the one to create the chances though. They had Xavi, Iniesta and Messi for that. Say what you say, but even in 2009-2015 Barcelona Pedro was the workhorse. Which is not to say he was a bad player by any means, but only that he's not a very creative player.

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Maybe, but Pedro was never the one to create the chances though. They had Xavi, Iniesta and Messi for that. Say what you say, but even in 2009-2015 Barcelona Pedro was the workhorse. Which is not to say he was a bad player by any means, but only that he's not a very creative player.

He was perfect for the barcelona system because he was so direct and effective, while Iniesta and Xavi are not direct and are always looking for the next pass. That is why Pedro was so amazing. Amazing finisher with both foot

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He is Arsenal's problem, we have so many better players than him he won't be missed.

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

It looks really suspicious. I have no concrete proof, but I truly think he did. He is all about the payday and look at what happened to Pedro. I think he downed tools to avoid the chance.

I hope my intuition is wrong.

Yeah you can never know can you, if he did such a thing then he must have had FL's blessings. I wish him the best but not all the best of course now that he is a gooner.