Willian

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20 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Then it's ideal, we just have to squeeze United and get the deal done with Martial coming this way.

In your dreams. More likely Willian is staying, especially with Luiz coming out and saying Willian loves playing for Chelsea and thinks he will stay. Those bids were rejected because he is deemed unsellable at this point because Sarri apparently likes him and the future of Hazard is still unknown.

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11 minutes ago, manpe said:

In your dreams. More likely Willian is staying, especially with Luiz coming out and saying Willian loves playing for Chelsea and thinks he will stay. Those bids were rejected because he is deemed unsellable at this point because Sarri apparently likes him and the future of Hazard is still unknown.

No way we sell Hazard at this point in the transfer window...So its insane how such an enormous bid for willian was rejected...

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6 minutes ago, eemanyooel said:

No way we sell Hazard at this point in the transfer window...So its insane how such an enormous bid for willian was rejected...

We have got this whole transfer business a bit higgledy piggledy.

We by old,knackered,injured, players with low coinfidence for far too much money then we add them to the rest of  the collection in some broom cupbord instead of selling them And we get rid of our good players far too soon for hardly any money. While at the same time we dont sell players that openly dont want to be here that we could sell for loadsamoney to strengthen the team.

And our board is full of business people!

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8 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

 

And our board is full of business people!

While i concur with most of your post...going by this part Willian should be in Nou Camp by now...

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Just now, eemanyooel said:

While i concur with most of your post...going by this part Willian should be in Nou Camp by now...

That line was the sarcastic ending 

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What are our options if we really sell Willian for right wing? I came across the info that Pool gave up on Fekir because it was obvious he couldn't pass the medical (from really unreliable source). Could that be true?

But, other options? Suso from Milan? Who else? Bailey plays on the left as far as I know...

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1 minute ago, El P. said:

What are our options if we really sell Willian for right wing? I came across the info that Pool gave up on Fekir because it was obvious he couldn't pass the medical (from really unreliable source). Could that be true?

But, other options? Suso from Milan? Who else? Bailey plays on the left as far as I know...

Zaha, Pulisic, Bailey and Fekir could all play there. Fekir is more suited to the #10 role though

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14 hours ago, James said:

Look, obviously £60 million is big money for a largely inconsistent winger, but i'm not going to moan if we keep him. Sarri's a big fan and It'll be interesting to see how he fairs in an attacking team. I mean the large majority of his time playing for Chelsea and Brazil have been under pragmatic coaches, the likes of Scoalri, Dunga, Tite, Mourinho and Conte. Who would have Mertens and Insigne would be world beaters under Rafa? all i'm saying is i'm relaxed either way. 

Agree with this. It's one of the things I constantly here about Hazard that he'd be so much better under a more attack minded coach, which I agree with. But the same has to be said about any of our attacking players, especially the likes of Willian and Pedro. Keeping the ball and attacking is far more effective for them than constantly sitting in front of their full back/wing back and defending.

Sarri apparently really likes Hazard and Willian and sees them as key within his system so I actually see us keeping both of them this season and giving Sarri every opportunity to (1) be a success and (2) hopefully convince them their future is here (especially Hazard).

On a side note people moaning about Willian's behaviour. Yes it wasn't great and he shouldn't have done it but there seems quite an overreaction on here. It's clear there were big problems between the players and Conte. If Willian comes back next season and is playing well people will soon change their tune and be glad he stayed.

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Tired of this little fecker. Proved in the wc how useless he really is. Should se him to China.

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6 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Agree with this. It's one of the things I constantly here about Hazard that he'd be so much better under a more attack minded coach, which I agree with. But the same has to be said about any of our attacking players, especially the likes of Willian and Pedro. Keeping the ball and attacking is far more effective for them than constantly sitting in front of their full back/wing back and defending.

Sarri apparently really likes Hazard and Willian and sees them as key within his system so I actually see us keeping both of them this season and giving Sarri every opportunity to (1) be a success and (2) hopefully convince them their future is here (especially Hazard).

On a side note people moaning about Willian's behaviour. Yes it wasn't great and he shouldn't have done it but there seems quite an overreaction on here. It's clear there were big problems between the players and Conte. If Willian comes back next season and is playing well people will soon change their tune and be glad he stayed.

We need to look at age and selling value, the picture is much bigger and broader. This offer from Barcelona is huge, not only that, but what he did with Conte was plain wrong, no getting away from that.

What this team needs now is ridding of ego's or egos that think they can rule the roost. Anyone who isn't happy or thinks they are better than us should be sold immediately.

Willian is a good player, but on the flip side there are much better players out there than Willian who we could get and make us stronger.

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3 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

We need to look at age and selling value, the picture is much bigger and broader. This offer from Barcelona is huge, not only that, but what he did with Conte was plain wrong, no getting away from that.

What this team needs now is ridding of ego's or egos that think they can rule the roost. Anyone who isn't happy or thinks they are better than us should be sold immediately.

Willian is a good player, but on the flip side there are much better players out there than Willian who we could get and make us stronger.

Barca are signing Malcom (for only £36m, grrrrrrrrrr), goodbye £65m for Willian from them

Barcelona agree €41m Malcom move after hijacking Roma deal

http://www.goal.com/en/news/barcelona-agree-41m-malcom-move-after-hijacking-roma-deal/gklk1h0hio6y1xezi9f9qqtue

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11 minutes ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said:

Tired of this little fecker. Proved in the wc how useless he really is. Should se him to China.

HELL YES

cannot believe we bollocksed up that £65m Barca move. WTF!

Now its Man U or bust

Willian is going to be club house poison, watch him pull a fucking Costa

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3 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

We need to look at age and selling value, the picture is much bigger and broader. This offer from Barcelona is huge, not only that, but what he did with Conte was plain wrong, no getting away from that.

What this team needs now is ridding of ego's or egos that think they can rule the roost. Anyone who isn't happy or thinks they are better than us should be sold immediately.

Willian is a good player, but on the flip side there are much better players out there than Willian who we could get and make us stronger.

So on that basis we should sell Hazard and Courtois because they want to leave, despite it being a seemingly sure thing that any replacement we get for either of them will be a downgrade?

Are there better players out there for the price? Richarlison is moving for £50m. I understand the idea of selling Willian and reinvesting in someone like Bailey or Pulisic but its a long term vision. That's all fine and well but now more than ever I believe we need to be focusing on the present and concentrating getting back into the top 4. We have a good blend of ages in the squad at present and I wouldn't look at our team and think it's old. It's of a good age but vastly experienced which gives us an edge over teams like Spurs. On that basis the safer bet would be Willian, as it would fully backing the manager.

Also if we're wanting the likes of Hazard, Courtois and Kante to commit to new contracts and see the club's ambition then selling Willian and replacing with a young potential doesn't show short term ambition which is what they want to see to stay. 

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2 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

So on that basis we should sell Hazard and Courtois because they want to leave, despite it being a seemingly sure thing that any replacement we get for either of them will be a downgrade?

Are there better players out there for the price? Richarlison is moving for £50m. I understand the idea of selling Willian and reinvesting in someone like Bailey or Pulisic but its a long term vision. That's all fine and well but now more than ever I believe we need to be focusing on the present and concentrating getting back into the top 4. We have a good blend of ages in the squad at present and I wouldn't look at our team and think it's old. It's of a good age but vastly experienced which gives us an edge over teams like Spurs. On that basis the safer bet would be Willian, as it would fully backing the manager.

Also if we're wanting the likes of Hazard, Courtois and Kante to commit to new contracts and see the club's ambition then selling Willian and replacing with a young potential doesn't show short term ambition which is what they want to see to stay. 

Hazard you try and keep at all costs, which is exactly what is sounds like the club are doing. He's world class, Courtois is in the last year of his contract coming up, so the sanctions on him are totally different, we are backed into a corner, not really a comparison and both are streets ahead of Willian in their field.

Losing Willian wouldn't have any effect on us and the top 4 if we replaced correctly, and yes there are all alternatives out there who would offer more to us right now IMO. Selling Willian at 29 for the amount of money that's been bid makes total sense from a business point of view, and that's exactly how this club operate.

You can't claim constantly about long and short term visions when you sack a manager nigh on every 18 months and chop backroom staff like they are vegetables.

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5 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Hazard you try and keep at all costs, which is exactly what is sounds like the club are doing. He's world class, Courtois is in the last year of his contract coming up, so the sanctions on him are totally different, we are backed into a corner, not really a comparison and both are streets ahead of Willian in their field.

Losing Willian wouldn't have any effect on us and the top 4 if we replaced correctly, and yes there are all alternatives out there who would offer more to us right now IMO. Selling Willian at 29 for the amount of money that's been bid makes total sense from a business point of view, and that's exactly how this club operate.

You can't claim constantly about long and short term visions when you sack a manager nigh on every 18 months and chop backroom staff like they are vegetables.

I understand that and under usual circumstances I would agree that the club should do this sort of deal from a business point of view and replace him with someone like Bailey but it's a bigger risk this summer in my opinion when we are out of the top 4. We only have to look at last season, the majority of people were happy to bring in Morata and Bakayoko to replace Costa and Matic and the idea that they were both younger and were better in the long term for us. However those two deals crippled us last season, Kante was left doing everything in midfield on his own and we had no goalscorer. 

£60m is a lot of money but in the current landscape it's not huge. There are some pretty average players going for similar money. We should know having paid a similar amount for Morata.

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7 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I understand that and under usual circumstances I would agree that the club should do this sort of deal from a business point of view and replace him with someone like Bailey but it's a bigger risk this summer in my opinion when we are out of the top 4. We only have to look at last season, the majority of people were happy to bring in Morata and Bakayoko to replace Costa and Matic and the idea that they were both younger and were better in the long term for us. However those two deals crippled us last season, Kante was left doing everything in midfield on his own and we had no goalscorer. 

£60m is a lot of money but in the current landscape it's not huge. There are some pretty average players going for similar money. We should know having paid a similar amount for Morata.

The problem with Morata is that there was none, literally no available strikers around barring him last summer. Madrid knew were desperate, we were desperate and we had to be held to ransom by Madrid to get him. Lukaku fucked off to United and we had a paddle but no boat whilst on shit creek.

Our past failings like last season has stemmed from a few things, mainly penny pinching. Drinkwater, Zappacosta and Emerson(I have hopes for) were real middle of the road signatures for money that far exceeded their abilities, but once again we needed bodies desperately. Chopping and changing coaches leads to this, fragmented views on who is good and who is not, it just then has a domino effect and a revolving door when the next guy turns up to stand on the touchline.

I don't look at incoming figures anymore, I look at their ability, how they perform consistently and compare them to what we have right now, and mostly the current situation of the club. We are seeing Sarri start a fresh, new ideas, new way of playing and by the sounds of it he is the one chasing the club to sign Higuain.

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4 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I understand that and under usual circumstances I would agree that the club should do this sort of deal from a business point of view and replace him with someone like Bailey but it's a bigger risk this summer in my opinion when we are out of the top 4. We only have to look at last season, the majority of people were happy to bring in Morata and Bakayoko to replace Costa and Matic and the idea that they were both younger and were better in the long term for us. However those two deals crippled us last season, Kante was left doing everything in midfield on his own and we had no goalscorer. 

£60m is a lot of money but in the current landscape it's not huge. There are some pretty average players going for similar money. We should know having paid a similar amount for Morata.

Bailey Fekir and Pulisic are millions miles ahead of willian....go watch the world cup and see how average he is despite his technical proficiency...replacing willian this summer will be one of the most reasonable deal the club will ever pull...I struggle to imagine what he will contribute despite reported Sarri wanting him to stay....Selling Matic and Costa and replacing them with Bakayoko and Morata is not even the problem but the lack of quality injection hence while we end in 5th position...same scenario u want us to repeat this coming season again.. 

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1 minute ago, Special Juan said:

The problem with Morata is that there was none, literally no available strikers around barring him last summer. Madrid knew were desperate, we were desperate and we had to be held to ransom by Madrid to get him. Lukaku fucked off to United and we had a paddle but no boat whilst on shit creek.

Our past failings like last season has stemmed from a few things, mainly penny pinching. Drinkwater, Zappacosta and Emerson(I have hopes for) were real middle of the road signatures for money that far exceeded their abilities, but once again we needed bodies desperately. Chopping and changing coaches leads to this, fragmented views on who is good and who is not, it just then has a domino effect and a revolving door when the next guy turns up to stand on the touchline.

I don't look at incoming figures anymore, I look at their ability, how they perform consistently and compare them to what we have right now, and mostly the current situation of the club. We are seeing Sarri start a fresh, new ideas, new way of playing and by the sounds of it he is the one chasing the club to sign Higuain.

Yeah can't argue with this. However if reports are to be believed, Sarri really rates Willian. If we're to give him the best possible opportunity to be a success here and get his style working to the most effect then the right thing is to back him and keep Willian if that is somebody that Sarri wants? Maybe that is what the club have done and said to him that if the offers they receive reach a certain value then we'll have to sell but otherwise we'll make an effort to keep him.

I also saw that David Luiz was quoted yesterday saying he has spoken with Willian who wants to stay so the idea that he will be a bad egg if he is forced to remain I don't think is necessarily true.