Willian

[Rom2013 446]

Yes, consistently average.

Oscar is increadible. This game was again wonderfull. Like all the season he is doing.

Oh my God, Oscar gives so much in the final third.

[DYC. 7,542]

We all know who understands nothing about football. It's been proved over and over again...

Moving on...

At least this whole conversation put light on something I missed. I had no idea Willian had 10 assists last year... how come people say he evolved this season? Of course, he's more adapted to the league, but as a sub most part of the season he had 10 assists - which I think is impressive in a first season (that might be way I defended him so much last season).

Now he's been starting nearly every match we play and he has two assists. If that doesn't show how frustrating, ineffective, lost, useless, and downright bad he's been in the final third choices and execution, I don't know what does.

I do recognize and praise him for his stamina, energy, work rate, but he's an AM he has to offer more to the actual attack.

Oscar has always been highly criticized around here - and much of the criticism has been fair and I agree - and the the main criticism was that how he creates nothing for us as an AM/#10. Willian gets away with much worse return in the attack... I know the fact that Oscar led Mata to be dropped and then offloaded is what irritated people the most, but as limited as he can be, Oscar has been offering more than Willian in the attack consistently (except during his terrible second half of season earlier this year).

Willian must improve, we can't have an AM that starts nearly all our matches in the season, to have only two assists and a very low number of chances created - at least chances created that matter, as I particularly hate how sloppy that stat can be.

7 assists for Chelsea, 3 for Anzhi.

[WNDS 502]

I thought he improved upon his past few performances quite significantly and played well today. He could easily have been dropped for this match, but (like Oscar and Ivanovic) his contribution to our general system of play is evidently valued highly enough by Mourinho to ensure that he is at least partly forgiven for the unflattering aspects of his game. This will probably continue to be the case until the team as a whole begins to struggle for goals, in which case I would imagine that Schurrle will get more starts.

We all know who understands nothing about football. It's been proved over and over again...

Moving on...

At least this whole conversation put light on something I missed. I had no idea Willian had 10 assists last year... how come people say he evolved this season? Of course, he's more adapted to the league, but as a sub most part of the season he had 10 assists - which I think is impressive in a first season (that might be way I defended him so much last season).

Now he's been starting nearly every match we play and he has two assists. If that doesn't show how frustrating, ineffective, lost, useless, and downright bad he's been in the final third choices and execution, I don't know what does.

I do recognize and praise him for his stamina, energy, work rate, but he's an AM he has to offer more to the actual attack.

Oscar has always been highly criticized around here - and much of the criticism has been fair and I agree - and the the main criticism was that how he creates nothing for us as an AM/#10. Willian gets away with much worse return in the attack... I know the fact that Oscar led Mata to be dropped and then offloaded is what irritated people the most, but as limited as he can be, Oscar has been offering more than Willian in the attack consistently (except during his terrible second half of season earlier this year).

Willian must improve, we can't have an AM that starts nearly all our matches in the season, to have only two assists and a very low number of chances created - at least chances created that matter, as I particularly hate how sloppy that stat can be.

Willian's stats for last season actually read as 4 goals and 7 assists in all competitions, and this season he has 2 goals and 3 assists at the half-way point; he's on course for very similar totals.

I would suggest that your more negative assessment of his contribution this season when compared with last season is possibly due to Willian not yet having produced a genuinely excellent and memorable performance against the better teams that we have faced this campaign. Last season he was superb (or at least very good) against Liverpool (home), Man City (away), PSG (home), and Man United (home), whilst this season his best performances have been against Villa (home), Maribor (home), and Schalke (away); only the Schalke game was a 'big' game, and that was only because of its context. Having said this, it's worth bearing in mind that all of Willian's 'big game performances' came in the second half of last season.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

We all know who understands nothing about football. It's been proved over and over again...

Moving on...

At least this whole conversation put light on something I missed. I had no idea Willian had 10 assists last year... how come people say he evolved this season? Of course, he's more adapted to the league, but as a sub most part of the season he had 10 assists - which I think is impressive in a first season (that might be way I defended him so much last season).

Now he's been starting nearly every match we play and he has two assists. If that doesn't show how frustrating, ineffective, lost, useless, and downright bad he's been in the final third choices and execution, I don't know what does.

It's not even about assists though, because that can be misleading at times as it's dependent on whether other players can take the chance or not . Created chances/key passes is a fairer criteria to measure creative produce, and Willian is equally poor in that category and in all categories required of an attacking player. Goals, assists, created chances, key passes, everything is lacking. And his dribbling ability is exaggerated as he hardly ever beats players, if you watch him closely. It's obvious that Willian is not Chelsea first XI standard and neither is Schurrle. I won't take sides with any player. He's being outperformed by players like Tadic and Downing. Says it all.

http://http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2014/2015/willian/126/126/7145/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/dusan_tadic/126/126/7763/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/alexis_sánchez/126/126/1581/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/stewart_downing/126/126/78/49/p|premier_league/2014/2015/oscar/126/126/3129/0/p#attack_score/total_forward_passes/key_passes/chances_created/assists/goals_scored/successful_take_ons/successful_take_ons_%#total

[Rom2013 446]

We all know who understands nothing about football. It's been proved over and over again...

Moving on...

At least this whole conversation put light on something I missed. I had no idea Willian had 10 assists last year... how come people say he evolved this season? Of course, he's more adapted to the league, but as a sub most part of the season he had 10 assists - which I think is impressive in a first season (that might be way I defended him so much last season).

Now he's been starting nearly every match we play and he has two assists. If that doesn't show how frustrating, ineffective, lost, useless, and downright bad he's been in the final third choices and execution, I don't know what does.

I do recognize and praise him for his stamina, energy, work rate, but he's an AM he has to offer more to the actual attack.

Oscar has always been highly criticized around here - and much of the criticism has been fair and I agree - and the the main criticism was that how he creates nothing for us as an AM/#10. Willian gets away with much worse return in the attack... I know the fact that Oscar led Mata to be dropped and then offloaded is what irritated people the most, but as limited as he can be, Oscar has been offering more than Willian in the attack consistently (except during his terrible second half of season earlier this year).

Willian must improve, we can't have an AM that starts nearly all our matches in the season, to have only two assists and a very low number of chances created - at least chances created that matter, as I particularly hate how sloppy that stat can be.

LOL. Oscar did 2 assists in the last league. He is our number 10 and did 2 assists.

Maybe we can't have a player that did 2 assists until now in the league like WIllian, but for you we can have a number 10 that did 2 assists in the last League.

We can talk all you want about the marvelous games from Oscar in this last month and a half, or in the season. Maybe about last season when he was on vacatios for 4 months.

It's really cool to see how the same people that think Oscar is increadible are the same that say Willian needs to improve a lot. We can't take that seriously.

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

I understand that his primary role as a winger should be to assist and score goals but his defensive work rate is just phenomenal. I feel he gets massively criticised here because Hazard on the other wing performs so well.

The truth is that Hazard is better player and is on course to becoming one of the greats of the game. Willian gets picked because he tracks back a lot and can add support to our attacking players. Schurrle is better offensively but can not match Willian behind the half line and hence has to settle for a squad player role.

Honestly I believe if Willian had the opportunity to just play his natural game and not worry about helping out his defenders then he would be a better player. I am sure he would be much more appreciated by everyone if he had signed for Spurs instead.

[Rom2013 446]

It's not even about assists though, because that can be misleading at times as it's dependent on whether other players can take the chance or not . Created chances/key passes is a fairer criteria to measure creative produce, and Willian is equally poor in that category and in all categories required of an attacking player. Goals, assists, created chances, key passes, everything is lacking. And his dribbling ability is exaggerated as he hardly ever beats players, if you watch him closely. It's obvious that Willian is not Chelsea first XI standard and neither is Schurrle. I won't take sides with any player. He's being outperformed by players like Tadic and Downing. Says it all.

http://http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2014/2015/willian/126/126/7145/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/dusan_tadic/126/126/7763/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/alexis_sánchez/126/126/1581/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/stewart_downing/126/126/78/49/p|premier_league/2014/2015/oscar/126/126/3129/0/p#attack_score/total_forward_passes/key_passes/chances_created/assists/goals_scored/successful_take_ons/successful_take_ons_%#total

Can you put here the numbers of Oscar and Willian last season in that same categories? Where is the difference bnetween the 2?

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Can you put here the numbers of Oscar and Willian last season in that same categories? Where is the difference bnetween the 2?

That's for both last season and this season in the premier league. Both were equally average last season. Oscar scored more goals but Willian created more chances. This season, Oscar is outperforming him in every relevant category. That's what we're saying. Most people here hates Willian, or any Chelsea player for that matter. Don't take it personally.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2013/2014/willian/126/64/7145/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/oscar/126/64/3129/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/willian/126/126/7145/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/oscar/126/126/3129/0/p#attack_score/total_forward_passes/key_passes/chances_created/goals_scored/assists/total_shots/successful_take_ons/successful_take_ons_%#total

[hjperdeath 2,226]

I haven't been active lately due to my personal schedule, but damn. What a brilliant tactical performance. Hope he keeps improving.

[Barbara 15,149]

My problem with him is that he could do much better than that because he has tons of talent and flair.

At the end of the day we shouldn't play both him and Oscar in the same matches, as while they offer a lot of work rate they have creative shortcomings, the thing is Oscar has been having a much better season. So we should rotate them, but avoid playing both at the same time.

He was better in some aspects today, but his decision making was still frustrating as heck. It seems he has 0 football brains, seriously, I can't name it any other way. And he's missed one meter passes in the final third that had me hitting my head on the wall.

I think when we play Mikel instead of Oscar it gets even worse. And whoever says he's been better than Oscar this season probably has been watching another team, or something, while Oscar hasn't been brilliant, he's been very good in many matches, Willian has been average in the final third most the matches he's played. And it seems he doesn't remember how to finish anymore

[Cescy 40]

Can you put here the numbers of Oscar and Willian last season in that same categories? Where is the difference bnetween the 2?

The biggest difference is that Oscar has improved and Willian hasn't.

[Spike 12,049]

I feel like I should warn every person that uses the tired old insult "you know nothing of football". Sick of reading it every thread.

[Styles 9,790]

This is really strange - I thought Willian had a good game and was a large part of why we were so utterly dominant in the first half. I can't quite believe what I'm reading to be honest.

Willian is the most unfaily maligned player in the team now that Mikel is no longer in the 11.

[iseah100 5,612]

I thought he was pretty good today. Hmm.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

It was a good game by Willian's standards. I thought he was better than Oscar today, but over the season so far Oscar has been definitely better.

[LAB 1,030]

Today he had a good game overall, but not threatening enough in the final third once again. By his standards today he was better, but that doesn't mean that he was great and the criticism he is getting is unfair.

[bababoom 4,478]

Was good, but it has to be said his final pass is atrocious.

[Styles 9,790]

It was a good game by Willian's standards. I thought he was better than Oscar today, but over the season so far Oscar has been definitely better.

He was comfortably better. If we're going to have one non-threatening 'attacker' in the team then it's Willian ahead of Oscar for me.

All I will say is that if Willian shouldn't be in the team (or doesn't have a future here) because he contributes very little in attack then the same also applies for Oscar.