🇧🇷 Willian

[herzogian 148]

47 minutes ago, Vesper said:

William just went AWOL and didn't show up to training camp

claims it is passport issues

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6905429/willian-chelsea-training-passport/

 

Jeez, don't state it like it is a fact. The Sun or the Times claim it but where's the proof? Oh well, it's  propably a result of the slow news regarding transfers. People are getting restless and are cluthing at straws in there search for information. The straws being all the non-news, rumours etc. on the internet. The sad thing is that most people know this but are still making assumptions based on the drivel you  find on the internet. Que sera, sera...

[Superblue 6,372]

I don't get this idea of Willian being a 'rat'. He made a mistake that was petulant and childish but we don't know what has gone on behind the scenes last season. Going on media reports, Conte has been difficult to work with and in particular seemed to give the Brazilians a hard time last season after the Diego Costa debacle. Is Willian any different to some of the old guard wanting managers like Scolari and AVB out of the club, his frustrations have simply come out in the public domain as opposed to privately. Everything I've read in the past is that he's a very popular and likeable member of the squad.

He's not the greatest player in the world but he's by no means the worst. The fact United and Barca have been sniffing round him this summer should suggest otherwise and given our struggles replacing Costa and Matic last summer I would be careful before he's just bombed out the club. 

Of course we could improve the RW area but Pedro and Willian are more than good enough to fill that position this season. I would be far more concerned with improving our striker and left back positions before the right wing.

[Vesper 30,216]

18 minutes ago, herzogian said:

Jeez, don't state it like it is a fact. The Sun or the Times claim it but where's the proof? Oh well, it's  propably a result of the slow news regarding transfers. People are getting restless and are cluthing at straws in there search for information. The straws being all the non-news, rumours etc. on the internet. The sad thing is that most people know this but are still making assumptions based on the drivel you  find on the internet. Que sera, sera...

What part of what I posted isnt true? He did not show up, and now claims it is passport issues. Both those are facts, not rumours.

[herzogian 148]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

What part of what I posted isnt true? He did not show up, and now claims it is passport issues. Both those are facts, not rumours.

Mhm yes, but first of all I still don't see any proof of those "facts" except for the reporting in those papers. And secondly by using terms like 'AWOL' and  saying that 'he claims' you're implying that Willian is absent from training on purpose. Buying into the whole 'Willian wants to force a move'-narrative the tabloids are promoting right now. All  I'm saying is be more critical and have more patience.

[dreamcfc 182]

Agreed.

If what you say is fact Vesper, then the facts we know are that Willian did not attend training today because he had passport issues, why is that anything to be concerned with, pretty normal is it not?

Doesn't mean he went AWOL and is refusing to come back etc. Ridiculous.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

If he is indeed not here bc of passport issues it is not AWOL as he obviously has an excuse. Anyway quite a coincidence...

[Clockwork 1,794]

12 minutes ago, herzogian said:

Mhm yes, but first of all I still don't see any proof of those "facts" except for the reporting in those papers. And secondly by using terms like 'AWOL' and  saying that 'he claims' you're implying that Willian is absent from training on purpose. Buying into the whole 'Willian wants to force a move'-narrative the tabloids are promoting right now. All  I'm saying is be more critical and have more patience.

You can be AWOL without purposeful intent. All world cup players were given 3 weeks of vacation, and Brazil played their last game on the 6th. So yeah he is Awol.

[whats happening 1,621]

find it strange that he didnt know before that he has passport issues and informed our club with the problem.

[dreamcfc 182]

Well we don't know anything for sure, I read elsewhere that the club know why he isn't there and it's not an issue.
That is just as much fact as the reports he went AWOL.

[Vesper 30,216]

59 minutes ago, herzogian said:

Mhm yes, but first of all I still don't see any proof of those "facts" except for the reporting in those papers. And secondly by using terms like 'AWOL' and  saying that 'he claims' you're implying that Willian is absent from training on purpose. Buying into the whole 'Willian wants to force a move'-narrative the tabloids are promoting right now. All  I'm saying is be more critical and have more patience.

so you dispute he is not at training camp??  LOL

and the passport was HIS OWN EXCUSE, not some made up keyboard commando's

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

So, if he's off to Utd (IF), we'd obviously like Martial in return, and it's win-win.  

BUT, we still have Morata, and I can't see us shifting him, so how are we going to pull that off?

Which kind of would suggest that it's Willian out and no Martial.  If we start to hear about Morata going away, then I can see this happening.  

[Vesper 30,216]

5 hours ago, dreamcfc said:

Agreed.

If what you say is fact Vesper, then the facts we know are that Willian did not attend training today because he had passport issues, why is that anything to be concerned with, pretty normal is it not?

Doesn't mean he went AWOL and is refusing to come back etc. Ridiculous.

AWOL was before he came out with the passport story. After the Costa shit, I trust a lot less too.

[Vesper 30,216]

11 hours ago, coolhead23 said:

There is no BUT for me, He wouldnt change ... doesnt matter what system u put him in ... In fact he will slow down the tempo in Sarri's system

Someone who can really benefit would be Pedro because he loves to play direct and Sarri's system is just apt for him.  

That is also my main worry. He parks the bus in the right corner and does 14 leg flair moves. I have hope Sarri can get him out of that slowdown play.

I am resigned to the fact he is here for the year. Courtois too. Morata as well. Hopefully all 3 put in career years.

[Blue Armour 4,448]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

AWOL was before he came out with the passport story. After the Costa shit, I trust a lot less too.

Difference being that in the case of Costa, there was a total communications blackout

The club didn't have a clue about what he was up to.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

 

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

AWOL was before he came out with the passport story. After the Costa shit, I trust a lot less too.

Ffs Willian has not gone AWOL and then covered his arse with a passport story. What a load of utter shite. He told the club and has had to wait to get his passport sorted to come back as would any other citizen of any nation.... the sun and times are encouraging this AWOL shit based on he has the same agents as Costa and was close friends to him, no actual proof where as Costa was pictured in Brazil at the time he was meant to be back.

People will believe anything these days, it’s actually laughable that AWOL bullshit and this whole idea of him poisoning the dressing room as it was put in another thread as well, honestly for Chelsea fans to make such claims on here, a few days after that article slaming Cahill for taking 3 weeks off, it’s horrendous and makes me wonder why people even bother supporting the club if their just gonna spout or take absolute non starter stories as truth.

Actually makes me think no wonder other teams fans seem to think that a large portion of Chelsea fans are morons.

[Clockwork 1,794]

According to Globo Esporte, he didn't have any blank spaces on the passport.

[manpe 10,861]

According to Globo Esporte, he didn't have any blank spaces on the passport.

Plenty in his head though

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[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

 

Ffs Willian has not gone AWOL and then covered his arse with a passport story. What a load of utter shite. He told the club and has had to wait to get his passport sorted to come back as would any other citizen of any nation.... the sun and times are encouraging this AWOL shit based on he has the same agents as Costa and was close friends to him, no actual proof where as Costa was pictured in Brazil at the time he was meant to be back.

People will believe anything these days, it’s actually laughable that AWOL bullshit and this whole idea of him poisoning the dressing room as it was put in another thread as well, honestly for Chelsea fans to make such claims on here, a few days after that article slaming Cahill for taking 3 weeks off, it’s horrendous and makes me wonder why people even bother supporting the club if their just gonna spout or take absolute non starter stories as truth.

Actually makes me think no wonder other teams fans seem to think that a large portion of Chelsea fans are morons.

Dude, that's a bit harsh.  

This club say nothing except for a few "leaks" like after Conte was released (to paint him in a bad light), so it's sometimes hard to read between the lines.  For example, the transfer rumours that have been going around.  Personally, I don't think we were ever in for Higuain.  Some people may think I'm a moron.  But, I wouldn't call someone else a moron for believing it.

In this case, Willian acted petulantly at the end of the season.  Then, we've been hearing all summer that Willian wanted to join Barca.  Now, it's Madrid, or Man Utd.  He had a video where he stated that he was happy in London.  Then he hasn't shown up for training when he was supposed to.  Okay, shit happens, maybe it was on purpose, maybe it's legit.  Personally, I don't really care.  But, it's easy to see how people could read in to things, one way or another.

 

[Unionjack 7,531]

This has a whiff of when Diego didn't show up for pre season after being camped out at AM with his begging letters.

All this shit about Barca not issuing a bid yet Willians staff say they made 2.. RM saying they def don't want him and never had.

This isn't going to do much for any leverage we have with Manure IF ANY.

I'm afraid we are stuck with him unless we drop his asking price.

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

5 hours ago, manpe said:

Plenty in his head though

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Manure, Real and Barca, don't agree.

Neither do I.